Works Good But Tastes Awful

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Posted by xboxfreak

Social Anxiety Background
I blush a lot and my heart starts pounding terribly when I get in social places. I have also been diagnosed with Hyperhidrosis (also known as Excessive Sweating). I believe I also have a very mild case of Depression which I have treated in the past with Fish Oil and St. John's Wort. I have been suffering from anxiety and Hyperhidrosis since I was in 8th grade (now I am in college)

Other Treatments
Xanax - you can see my review on it. Xanax works great for things such as going out on a weekend or a speech. Xanaxworks much better for me than Kava and is probably cheaper. But you do not need a prescription for Kava and Kava is less addictive than Xanax.

Celexa - you can see my review on it. Celexa is more long-term help.

Treatment Experience
Kava helps a lot with anxiety and supports a more positive mood. I also suffer from slight depression although St. John's Wort and fish oil have helped that immensely.

Kava varies quite a bit in different brands. Kavalactones are the main things that give you the calming feeling. You need around 70 mg - 200 mg of Kavalactones to feel a reduction in anxiety.

I would highly recommend getting high grade kava root powder from a reliable online store (just search google). This works much better than pills (which are much weaker). You need to get kava root powder that is at least 4-5 years old and uses strictly lateral roots. You mix it with water and it tastes like crap (but if you can stomach it the effects are probably worth it). I need to try some other recipes and see if I can get it to taste better.

Kava root powder does not cause liver damage. The reason Germany and many other European countries banned it was due to several people having it their system along with alcohol and other drugs. The deaths were attributed to Kava unfairly and independent studies looking into this have said it cannot be blamed on Kava. Plus the Kava they were using was said to be Kava extract with parts of Kava besides the root which can cause liver damage.

Kava is very safe and a much better alternative to alcohol and other drugs that can be damaging to the body.

I have been researching Kava a ton since my mom first told me about it. http://www.erowid.org/plants/kava is an excellent site for experiences and more info about Kava. I have learned a ton from other people's experiences on there.

In the past, I have used weak (2% Kavalactone pills so 12.5 mg of Kavalactones) and I took close to 20 and I started to feel effects but not very strong.

I have used kava root powder maybe 10 times or so. They say take closer to 2-3 Tbsp. I have taken this amount and felt a significant relief of anxiety (but doesn't compare to Xanax). I never have finished my bag of Kava root because I can't stomach the taste anymore.

You should definitely be able to feel the effects of Kava. If you think you are feeling a placebo effect or are not sure, you are not taking enough. You will feel the effects if you dose it correctly.

I have heard tolerance does not build up that much. But there is a reverse tolerance for some people. Meaning that you need to drink Kava a few times before you will feel the full effects.

Kava works great for social anxiety and I am so glad I finally tried the root powder. Otherwise you need to take a lot of pills (depending on their amount of Kavalactones) to get effects. And even then I still think powder is the way to go. I highly suggest you give it a try

Check this forum thread for more information about Kava http://www.socialanxietysupport.com/forum/f11/kava-kava-45974/
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No effect at all

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Posted by Micliph

Social Anxiety Background
severe social anxiety for about 1,5 year.

Other Treatments
Citalopram SSRI

Treatment Experience
I tried kava kava in almost all forms and almost all kinds of preparation.

84% kavaloctone paste.
pulverised kava root powder.
kava kava pills.
kavaloctone full spectrum paste.
kava tincture.
kava gooey liquid.

and I got no effect from none of the above mentioned products. I am never gonna buy kava again because I think I am immune to the stuff or something.
But I guess it would be worth a try for everyone with anxiety, because the effects from the herb sounds very nice and anxiolytic.​

 

Kava is good in the right circumstances

(sorry to not follow your format here...)

I originally tried kava kava (kava) years back when my anxiety wasn't really full blown. I've tried pill and powder forms. I find it very strange that Drew says it doesn't affect him at all. I know some of my friends have said it's subtle without a high dose, but it is definitely noticeable, for me anyways.

I've had amazing successes here and there with kava. The first few were related to playing solos and juries (end of the semester tests/reviews before the music faculty) during my undergrad education--I majored in music. At this time, my anxiety was just starting to emerge into a problem. I took the recommended dose, on the low side, and found it did wonders to "take the edge off" and allow me to automatically relax my breathing and heart rate and not follow any negative trains of thought. It had a tranquil, peaceful emotional effect as well. But subtle.

Now, years later I had starting having occasional but regular panic attacks. I had all but forgotten about kava, but then I landed an interview for a promotion within my company as I was moving down for school to where the headquarters happened to be. The days before the interview I caught myself drifting into the usual negative thinking that fuels anxiety. I tried to just focus on what I had to say. The day before, a friend suggested kava. I went to the whole foods co-op and got some Yogi brand kava tea. I also had some kava pills of two different brands stashed in my medicine cabinet from a while ago. On the day of the interview, I took 2 pills in the morning (about 60 mg kavalactones), drank a kava tea after one hour, took another pill an hour after that, and a half hour later drank another kava tea.

My interview started in the next half hour, and I was VERY relaxed. I have NEVER done so well and been so at ease for an interview. Oh, this was a phone interview. For me, that is for some reason even MORE nerve racking. I rocked the interview, stuck to my talking points, and totally hit it off with the big execs. Best interview I've ever had and an encouraging experience.

Here's my disclaimer: on the follow-up, in-person interview I did after moving down to my new place, I also used kava tea, two doses (two brewed cups using two different teabags). I noticed, just as in my earlier interview, that I was extremely spacey to the degree of feeling somewhat stoned or medicated. The reason it didn't matter in my first interview is that all of my talking points came up just as I expected. The interview questions were limited in scope even more than I thought, so my rehearsing had completely ingrained my responses so that I didn't have to think about it. On the SECOND interview, however, it was more open-ended, which led me to just trail off and not really have much to say a lot of the time. I'm pretty sure I appeared mildly stoned to the interviewer, which probably cost me the job. On the plus side, I didn't care or get nervous about not having anything to say, which usually is an extreme aggravation for me in interviews. I didn't get nervous much at all.

Kava can work wonders in the right situation, but it can also destroy your ability to think on your feet.

One final note, I've noticed a more immediate and profound effect from the yogi kava tea than any other kava supplement. Weird.

 

Best Herbal Blend for Anxiety

There are a lot of different herbs that help anxiety, kava, chamomile, valerian blah blah blah,

Anyway, the best are blends and this is the best one I've found. Its a little smelly because of the valerian root in it but way less so than straight valerian which is almost unbearable.
Its called Nerve Blend SP-14 by a company called Solaray I think its about $10/bottle. Works better than anything herbal I've used in the past.
I picked my first bottle up at a health food store but I know my mom orders it online.
I initially used it to calm my nerves so I could sleep but I find I can use it during the day as well as long as I'm not really tired when I take it. I take about two at a time. Even my ex-boyfriend who had a drug habit used it to help sleep and calm down so it is fairly effective most of the time. Sometimes when my anxiety is at its worst it doesn't help enough, but more times than not I just need something so I can feel comfortable enough to go out to dinner or walk into the library or go to sleep. It does help:teeth.

 

I think it has made my anxiety worse.. I'd like to think I imagined it but it happened each time I took it, pill form.. although, the tea that I drank recently did not make me feel worse. it could just be a placebo effect though. when I took it in pill form it was a year or two ago and recently I've been feeling especially unwell..

 

no luck

I researched which kava kava to use and the concentrations and all that, I wish I remember the brand so you could avoid it. The brand and it's products got good reviews but it did nothing for me at all. And it was quite expensive. :|

 

I've heard the pills aren't that effective. I tried them myself and they didn't do squat. Never tried the tea.

 

Hi !

I hear most pill forms of kava are crap.

But I hear the high quality extracts and "pastes" are very effective.

The mainstream pills are misleading in their description of contents (from sites I read), for example: only a fraction of the pills contains the claimed "30% kavaloctones".

I am soon obtaining some 84% kavalactones paste (dose size is 1 - 2 pea sized amounts). I will report back with my results. But be cautious when buying kava, not all of it is good. In fact many leading pill producing brands are no good at all.

 

True i agree with that, mostly because my boyfriend got some kava extract yesterday and it worked considerably well. Compared to the SSRI junk the doctors prescribed him. It took about forty minutes to take effect but he was calm, sleepy and generally more sedated and he was fortunate not to suffer any side effects

pills sound pretty useless, as he has tried the paste too and says that was effective but liquid concentrate is best

 

i just got some kava extract and tried it before school today, it helped alot, but only really helped for about an hour or less. i wrote a more detailed log if anyone is interested.

 

Post it?

 

ive taken this supplement maybe...30 times. 29 out of 30 times i felt absolutely no change in mood or anxiety relief. but i do remember taken it (in pill form) one day in highschool and i felt a really good euphoria. i wasnt taking anything else either, so it must have been the kava. that one experience made me continue to try it. i even bought the liquid extract, from GNC i think it was. i never felt the feeling again from it, and i gave up on it.

 

7:20- took 40 drops in a little water, pulling up to school, immediately feel more relaxed and have a small buzz. entering school I still got an increased heart rate, and some feelings of anxiety, all in all it diluted the symptoms about 1/2- 3/4 and gave me some confidence

7:30- in class work is considerably easier and concentrating on it is much easier too. i felt for the most part my normal self

7:40- during a group project, i can feel myself starting to come down, anxious feelings are subtly coming back, but it just feels more like something is amiss

8- only feeling about half of the origional effect, not tottaly myself

8:30-feel normal, but slightly more relaxed, and lower heartbeat than normally for 2nd period(30 loud obnoxious other people there) not feeling myself( how i normally feel during school and social situations)

8:45- incredibly anxious and feeling no effects from the kava at this point

 

Hi

I recently obtained 1/2 oz of concentrated kava "paste".

It says you take 2 "pea sized amounts" but I find I need more like 3 - 4.

It is very subtle and only lasts like 60 - 90 minutes at most.

But it seems more potent when mixed with something else, especially phenibut.

It is OK but I don't think it's really worth the price, although I do like taking it right before expected social events.

 

good stuff but tastes like ***

 

mmm kava

I ordered some Kava (powder and whole root chunk), and have been very pleased with the quality(Kona Kava-Hawaii). It's not the best tasting beverage in the world, but the key is to use a small amount of water and just gulp it down quick, and then sip something to clear the residual.

Its effects are pretty nice, I actually feel the desire to be social for a short amount of time. Although there in lies the problem. It's effects are very transient, and I have read that it is just as hard on your liver as alcohol. So, in my opinion it is only a minor tool for combating SA, but I love it as a substitute for alcohol.

P.S. Have yet to try the whole root chunks (similar to whole coffee beans was how it was advertised, ie more potent)

 

I'm wanting to purchase some online but I just wanted to check with you guys first if it's the right stuff...could someone please check?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=370466077&rewritten=true

Thanks

 

I used Kava a few years ago with a friend. The main effect that it had was to make us really really really relaxed and super super lazy. This is the main reason that I don't take it because we literally could not be bothered even getting up to get some crackers.

 

Sounds like Kava pills are close to useless unless you take huge amounts of them. This guy has a good blog with reviews of various different Kava sources.

http://kavasseur.blogspot.com/2010/03/kona-kava-farm-mahakea-kona-kava.html

I just bought some kava from kona kava. It scores 2nd lowest of all Kava products on his blog But I will write a little review here anyway once I try it out.

I've searched around some Kava forums and a lot of people recommend Tongan Kava for having the best anxiolytic effect.

 

Experiment 1:

Well I tried some of the kona kava root powder tonight. I used 2 tablespoons, put in a the blender for a couple of minutes, then strained it through a muslin bag.

It had no noticable effect on me at all. Either this brand of kava isn't very potent, I didn't use enough root powder, or I experienced the 'reverse tolerance' I've been reading about.

Next time I'll try 3-4 tablespoons and post the result.

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Update: Experiment 2:

Ok...So I gave my kona kava root powder another go...this time I took 3 tablespoons but I'm sitting here with no noticable effects once again. According to a lot of forums this brand of kava is extremely weak and doesn't give you anything like a real kava experience at all, I'm beginning to believe that too

Next time I'll go for 5 tablespoons and actually use it before a social event, not sitting at home waiting for some kind of buzz ....I'll update again once I do that.

 

Kava Kava is similar to GHB. It has Kava Lactones in it. It from what I understand works on the GHB receptor.

Experiment 1:

Well I tried some of the kona kava root powder tonight. I used 2 tablespoons, put in a the blender for a couple of minutes, then strained it through a muslin bag.

It had no noticable effect on me at all. Either this brand of kava isn't very potent, I didn't use enough root powder, or I experienced the 'reverse tolerance' I've been reading about.

Next time I'll try 3-4 tablespoons and post the result.

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Update: Experiment 2:

Ok...So I gave my kona kava root powder another go...this time I took 3 tablespoons but I'm sitting here with no noticable effects once again. According to a lot of forums this brand of kava is extremely weak and doesn't give you anything like a real kava experience at all, I'm beginning to believe that too

Next time I'll go for 5 tablespoons and actually use it before a social event, not sitting at home waiting for some kind of buzz ....I'll update again once I do that.

 

Kava Kava is not suited for me at work...

I have tried this and for me a I'm not sharp enough to do my job. I wish I could and it is a diaretic so I had to go to the bathroom all the time. It will be okay for home use but not for work for me.

 

Kava works for me. It is potent stuff!

I am very strongly suspicious that if someone experiences no obvious
effects from Kava it is because they are not using good enough stuff in enough of a dose. Also, it seems that you may need to take it multiple times (or take alot of it at first) so that it builds up in your system.

I have recently started taking a potent Kava Root extract . I was previously suffering from intense general anxiety... Dr. wouldn't prescribe me sedatives... they worked but made me tired... Drank alot for a long time ... a terrible solution that was a lot more dangerous than sedatives . I researched and found that Kava was the thing to try.

The stuff, ( if you don't get ripped off by buying crappy stuff) after you've taken it for a few days is very potent! Don't drive or do anything dangerous at least until you've figured out a dosage that isn't too high to drive (if possible)! I am still trying to figure out a safe amount to take to drive.

I was amazed about how effective the stuff is... Now that the stuff is built up in my system... a fairly small amount will, within 30 minutes.. remove a lot of anxiety (or all if u take too much!) and... It is a mood elevator... didn't make me stoned (gave me a very brief feeling of euphoria... like a sedative) but the negative thoughts were for the most part gone ! Socially it made me a damned social butterfly almost. My sense of humor was way up. My confidence was very good. Makes you a bit talkative.

Although I feel slightly tired, I am not sleepy and am able to do complicated things like win poker tournaments . Reaction time is off . No "hang-over effects" noted. Have gone from heavy alcohol drinking to no drinking... Damn stuff seems to be like a miracle drug for me ... more effective and powerful than many prescriptions... I take some on an "as needed" basis and am planning on cutting down the dosage. I like the fact that I am getting into the habit of not being miserable... After a while I may not need so much. Am a bit concerned that it is known for creating "false positives". On drug tests shows up as a benzo..

Worst thing is I feel tired and a bit restless at the same time... I am not sure how well I would be able to focus to learn something new, also, I feel kind of unmotivated to do things... but...that restlessness kicks in to get things done so I am actually getting more things done than I used to.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel... and its been a damned long long dark tunnel for me! Good luck!

Warning... known to have reactions with other drugs... consult your doctor!

 

anyone use this?

Does anyone know the highest quality brand? I don't care about how expensive it is.

 

I have used it from time to time over the past couple of years. It does work; it is not a placebo. In fact, it is the only effective non-prescribed alternative treatment I have come across.

But it is certainly not risk free, apparently especially for non-natives.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080222111446.htm

As regards brands, stay well clear of Kona Kava, which is absolutely useless.

The brand I have returned to most frequently is Kava Kauai (RealKava). They have an instant Kava product which takes away all the hassle involved in preparation.

But it's advisable to let your doctor know that you are going to take it, as he can monitor for raised liver enzymes.

 

Hmm I find kava kava useful in immediate situations that you don't have time to prepare for. But it lasts for only 30 minutes, so it seems to be good for things like getting out the door, or getting to school, basically taking the first step kind of thing. Wears off fast, so you will have to face some fears though. Kava does feel like it is sort of toxic to me. When I've done detoxes, sometimes I get the effect of kava and the taste of it in my mouth... Also I feel car sick during car rides after taking it

Kona Kava powder works for me, so I don't know what the guy above me ordered. The powder version works, but the pastes from kona kava do NOTHING... Beware of that.

 

Actually it lasts for about two hours.

But it is not entirely dependable ; it's kind of hit and miss even with reliable brands.

It's also relatively expensive.

Still, as I said, in the long list that I have tried, it's the only non-prescribed treatment that actually works (apart perhaps from phenibut, which has an idiosyncratic effect).

 

Very unhelpful. It makes me drowsy and feel out of my own skin. Any sort of awkwardness in my own body only makes my SA worse so even though it helped a bit for GAD, it did nothing for SA whatsoever. Also I heard it's not great on the liver and can be somewhat habit forming over a long time.

 

been taking it regularly for about 3 months now

There is a difference from when I first started taking it till now. While initially It made me kind of spacey and drowsy, and a touch of euphoria, those side effects have diminished quite a bit I think. Taking too much can cause some insomnia ( I avoid taking any after 5:00), and possibly put me right out of focus.
The right amount still works very well for SA for me. Night and day difference. It has some long lasting effects, (cumulative) and shorter term effects.. the shorter term SA relief lasts about 4 hours. Until you no longer feel the side effects, after taking it for a long time, you should avoid driving or doing anything requiring quick reactions. It will slow you down.

As far as liver toxicity goes, my limited bit of web research showed me that some studies have shown that that could be an issue but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence that I could find either way. One thing I do know... drinking as much alcohol as I used to is definitely bad for you. Also have gotten the odd looking 1 inch. sq.patch of raw looking but painless rash on a dry area of the body ( ie. elbow). Looks like the side effect I've seen pictures of on the net. Disappeared on it's own.

I have the correct thinking as far as SA is concerned, ex. (1/don't worry about what people think... it doesn't matter 2/ people, probably aren't thinking about me much at all..) so that helps.