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#1 ·
I am 33 and unemployed. I've been to university but haven't worked in years.

I was wondering if anyone else in their 30s and beyond is in this situation, because I feel alone and the forums are not as popular as they used to be. I wonder what happened to everyone.
 
#2 ·
You're not alone I joined in 2013mthings got better and I stopped using the forum and can't remember my user name so I made a new account. This usemto be pretty active but now is kinda dead. I haven't worked in 5 years and currently on disability life is passing me by
 
#3 ·
I'm 37 and currently NEET because I refuse to risk my life to finish my second degree during a pandemic. I haven't been employed for many years, although I often feel like I "work" for my elderly mother, whom I live with and take care of.

But I never cared much for working or building a career. If my dad's retirement is enough to sustain both of us now that he's gone, then I'm fine with that. It's kind of my goal in life to work in an office as little as possible because I dislike it so much.
 
#4 ·
Never worked a day in my life, almost certainly never will, was far too anxious to be able to finish college and I can barely function in any real way.

Its certainly profoundly shameful but a the end of the day, if we can't turn things around, what purpose does it serve to feel so awful about it?

I'm grateful to have been born into a sufficiently wealthy and caring family that has enabled me to survive so far and well, at least I never had to get into the crushing reality 99% have to experience, having to earn a living often with the only choice being some form of exploitation.
 
#5 ·
I'm technically self-employed and independent, but can't see the other side of the poverty line with a telescope and rely on rent subsidy. Perhaps if you find some form of at home self-employment to make a tiny bit of money from it'll make you feel a lot better. At least you'll have an answer when people ask what you do.
 
#6 ·
I was between mid 2011 - end of 2014. The following 3 years I mostly work temp jobs and side jobs one after another.
 
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#7 ·
you are not alone in this. And good to know im not alone either.
I found working super stressful but i dont give up. I currently have a mini job once a week and the rest of the week i spent working out, watching youtube/twitch, working on myself and my issues.
Its slowly getting better but im not in a place where i feel save to work fulltime or even part time again.
 
#9 ·
I'm not NEET now. Instead I'm a cleaner. But definitely NEET in the past.

I spent a lot of my 20s on benefits and smoking weed. I even played bass in an awful band. I was a stoner and so was everybody I knew. I did try various low-wage office and shop jobs but I was always too high to work for very long. I didn't move out until my late 20s.

I had opportunities to get qualifications including the chance to go to University as well as being offered an IT Apprenticeship. I wasted all those opportunities. Ironically one of my jobs now is cleaning a University. I never graduated: now I get to listen to all the young students planning and working towards their future careers knowing I wasted all my opportunities in life. But I'm happy enough I guess.
 
#10 · (Edited)
I think in the UK after 24 they stop using the term NEET since it's for 18-24 year olds, and pretty much just disregard you from a statistical pov. You become an outcast of society. But yeah I basically am though I make a small amount of money from various online stuff.

Something like this maybe:

A discouraged worker, since not actively seeking employment, has fallen out of the core statistics of the unemployment rate since he is neither working nor job-seeking. Their giving up on job-seeking may derive from a variety of factors including a shortage of jobs in their locality or line of work; discrimination for reasons such as age, race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, and disability; a lack of necessary skills, training, or experience; a chronic illness or disability; or simply a lack of success in finding a job.[1]

As a general practice, discouraged workers, who are often classified as marginally attached to the labor force, on the margins of the labor force, or as part of hidden unemployment, are not considered part of the labor force, and are thus not counted in most official unemployment rates—which influences the appearance and interpretation of unemployment statistics. Although some countries offer alternative measures of unemployment rate, the existence of discouraged workers can be inferred from a low employment-to-population ratio.
'marginally attached to the labour force' sort of makes sense, though I don't have a 'real job' either. I remember years ago looking at the minimum wage in various countries, and how I wasn't earning anywhere near close to any of them (when you're earning money online you're competing globally and may as well not be a citizen of a country,) but I think I'm getting close to some countries min wage now. I'm doing very well for Bangladesh (based on this one site I'm looking at, slightly less well according to others,) so it's all relative.

Cuba is the country with the world’s lowest minimum wage. On a monthly basis, an employee in Cuba receives the minimum wage of 225 Cuban pesos –equivalent to $9.
* ticks off Cuba *

lol

(I'm a driver, I'm a winner)
(Things are gonna change I can feel it) - Beck, Loser.
 
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#11 ·
Although I do have some legitimate excuses now (well, especially since other health issues have arisen in the last few years for me and piled themselves conveniently on top of the big stuff) I generally didn't have much of an excuse earlier in life other than the fact that whenever I did try to find employment (any kind of employment) I usually did not receive any calls. I went through a period of aimless motivation in my late teens and early 20s where I just applied for a whole bunch of random jobs. Nothing. I don't know if I'd have even known what to do if I'd gotten hired anywhere but I didn't even get that far (Except I did get a couple of crappy jobs eventually with help from others). At the time, I think the insane insomnia I had would have probably resulted in me getting fired anyway.

After that, I have to be honest, I pretty much realized that I'm lazy. I have legit issues with my health but I am also really lazy and don't want to work, frankly. I don't see why I should have to if I don't have to. Which I realize is a really unpopular way of looking at it.
 
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I'm on and off unemployed, technically I am employed but I can't work for the rest of this year because it will put us in a new tax bracket, our kids will lose their insurance and it will cost us nearly $400 a month to insure them through my wife's plan, not to mention our tax return will be substantially lower. We are at that level where you have to balance things out or else I end up working more while making less.

Hopefully, Florida will raise the tax bracket next year and I can work a little more.

I don't think I would qualify for the neet label, as has been mentioned that seems to apply to younger people - at my age I would just be considered a strain on the system or whatever.
 
#17 · (Edited)
After college graduation (suffering through participation requirements in college classes was its own torture), I had to work full-time in an office for 12 years with extreme social anxiety, hating every minute of it, especially the meetings and talking on the phone. My co-workers and boss often made fun of my quietness. I barely said a word everyday, was too scared to. I was scared of everyone there, especially my boss, and I never got more comfortable around them as the years went by (it was mostly the same people there the whole 12 years). About 25 people worked in the office. They didn't like me, they just tolerated me.

I didn't have a choice, my mother made me keep a full-time job. I was always afraid of changing jobs because I really hated interviews, they gave me extreme anxiety, and I was afraid of having to start at a new workplace with a new boss and co-workers...it could be even worse than the job I had already. To me it seems like 99.9% of jobs really suck, especially if you have social anxiety.

I understand some people here need government assistance, and I applaud you for getting it. I've never been on any government assistance (unless Obamacare counts...I still have to pay monthly premiums and around an $8,000 annual health insurance deductible). I don't even have the foggiest idea how to apply for government assistance except Obamacare, and that's only because it's an easy application on a website healthcare.gov, there's no complicated paperwork or phone calls or scary in-person interviews involved. Yeah, I'm scared of talking on the phone too.

I was living very frugally with my mother the whole time (I didn't even have a car, I rode the bus) and had to pay her rent every month. She loves me very much, she just thought she was helping me be an adult. I did this until I saved up enough money from my job where I could quit my job and survive financially off the money I had saved from working. So that's what I'm doing now, living very frugally entirely off the money I saved from suffering through working full-time for 12 years. I just got a car for the first time this year at age 40 (although I don't drive much because I'm afraid of getting in an accident, afraid of road ragers, just afraid of people in general).
 
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To give some "historical context". I recall this forum in the years before 2017 or so, admitting one was neet , whether long term, or at the time, was like anathema here in this very forum. At the same time , there were a few mentioned being on long-term disability and describing social lives while being neet. I mean, if one was disabled due to social phobia, how can you even talk about having a gf and relationship issues. Then there were the usual 18-24 yr olds who were worried and wondering, friendless , school or uni dropouts, and not having direction while default neet. And then there were some regular instigators here, who would harass, insult, and judge these "neetish" constantly on this forum. Thankfully, it doesn't seem to be any longer the case her for the most part at least for a few years now (maybe with the current moderation or better etiquette rules). Even if one was neet at the time, or had combined years neetdom, it would often be judged by those here with a much higher functioning social anxiety problem. Also recall the original mod/owner of SAS committed suicide some years back.

Of course, not excusing neetdom at all. It's a "last resort" before becoming homeless which is a horror , hardly discussed, but more often than not a terrible fate that awaits long-term neets. I recall a neet posting on reddit a few years ago who suddenly posted on /r/homeless that when his parents died, they left him over $500k. But he only rented and had no other inherited assets, and stretched it out to over 15 years, but now/then was worried in his post that his funds were running out and didn't know what to do anymore..

.. I had to work full-time in an office for 12 years with extreme social anxiety, hating every minute of it, especially the meetings and talking on the phone. My co-workers and boss often made fun of my quietness. I barely said a word everyday, was too scared to. I was scared of everyone there, especially my boss, and I never got more comfortable around them as the years went by (it was mostly the same people there the whole 12 years). About 25 people worked in the office. They didn't like me, they just tolerated me.
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This, exactly, for some, probably many here, the social phobia/anxiety dysfunction is extremely severe, that it interferences with trying to survive in a workplace. Literally those of us who never had any real friends, or effective social functioning or acceptance , and ostracized and marginalized socially since preschool. It's a curse for life, because all the therapy, cbt, whatnot, never helps, at least never helps enough to have a "normie" life of at least basic social function, that isn't constantly attacked or derided by normies looking for social prey to pathetically fill some void or gap in their own lives. And of course it's not often admitted or mentioned on forums, even anonymously. It's a deep shame, and can be suicidal ideation provoking, even if social dysfunction/nonfunction is a severe root curse and cause of it and associated depression.

And yes, there were, and are plenty plenty of neets heard about at least some time or another, plenty on disability many aged out over 40, 50, 60 over the past decade and half of SAS. If you were there back then in 2011-14 (i had a different SAS id back then, as no doubt plenty here did or had moved on to a new id), you saw plenty of neets on or trying to get on disability over age 25, 35, 40, etc., Of course, disability at least in the U.S. has long been oversaturated so it's much harder to get on it than ever. needless to say, the debt and social systems problem with so many partaking of the pie, not just from a few tiny social phobic demographics is at an all time high, with the unprecedented stress of our current society of the overpopulated world and social systems of the unstable and crumbling western world.
 
#19 ·
I think part of the reason forums aren't so popular now, is because of social media. Also, when there's not many things being posted, makes me hardly want to post, and forget to pop on.

But I guess this is one aspect of my life I'm likely in, because I've been in jobs since I was 17. The longest I've been out of a job is 2 months, when I lost my old job in 2020 due to the pandemic.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I've never had a steady 9-5 go somewhere to work kind of job, or a steady work at home kind of job either. Spent my 20s going in and out of several universities and managed to get a couple of degrees but never put them to good use. I can't say that I've been unemployed either because to me that implies searching for a job which I haven't really done. I've been fortunate to have a supportive family.
 
#22 ·
Well this thread is far too relatable. It's almost tempting to just quote every second post in here rather than think of the right words myself. Been NEET for close to a decade, dropped out of the second to last year of school and left the few jobs and courses I attempted after suddenly due to anxiety. Longest I kept one of the jobs was 2.5 years but that was also where I had the asshole boss who helped my anxiety map itself from school life onto work life. Luckily like some here I have a family who are well off enough to support me so long as I live a little bit frugally and don't seem too resentful of doing so though at times seem very worried. I often wonder what would happen if they gave me any kind of ultimatum though at the same time I'm scared to know the answer. Got some early inheritance from an aunt and uncle (they aren't dead yet just pretty rich), but the fact that I know my sister and my cousins are putting it towards their families while I'm just holding onto it and hoping I can make it last, it's hard not to feel ashamed or inferior.

Railcar I'll admit your post is a little unsettling to me and makes me feel somwhat defensive. I've never harassed anyone for being a NEET including when I wasn't yet one myself but I do often feel like an imposter with regards to my anxiety not being as severe as many here describe their anxiety. I'd still like to think I don't look down on those who struggle with issues that severe despite being more "normie". I find myself jealous but also somewhat inspired by those who have still maintained close relationships despite anxiety and dream of having that myself in the future. I'm not sure why being able to have any close relationships or form of a social life has to disqualify someone from being disabled? I just think it's more nuanced than that but I get that I can't know how it looks from your position. Obviously I can't deny that there are those at seemingly all sorts of levels of social function who rely on preying on those who struggle more to make themselves feel better and I hate them too. I realise this is sounding a bit too "not all normies" but I recognise the bitterness in some of what you said and it got to me. I think the western world is undergoing a lot of change but I don't think it's crumbling and I sometimes feel hopeful it may get better and more supportive/inclusive towards mental health issues, but I guess that's all a matter of perspective anyway.
 
#23 ·
I used to be one but only for a couple months. I never got an internship and I never had a job lined up for once I got out of school so I was working delivery when I graduated. I remember feeling so insecure about this as a lot of my classmates already had jobs in the field somehow? That baffles me. But anyways, I hate my coworkers so much that I quit my job so I had no school, no job. I had only maybe one or two regular friends I would see but most of my days were sitting in my room drawing or when I could force myself, playing online games with discord friends. During this time i developed a jobby for tearing apart computers and making jewlry out of them. Sometimes I would only leave the house to go to a weekly Saturday night get together. I remember being fairly depressed during this time as I longed for variety or something to do. But looking back I played online games with my friends, had a weekly Saturday night get together, and I could literally do whatever I wanted whenever. Now that I'm working full time, even if I have no plans on the weekends, I make sure to make the most of it. Going for bike rides, checking out new cafes, drawing, and going to meetups when I can. I started a dnd campaign so I could have something fun to always look forward to. If I was a NEET now, I would use the time to do chores, visit different towns, and pursue a craft. And yes a lot of online gaming
 
#24 ·
No. Never have been. This is the constant state of my room.

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#25 ·
It's been off and on for me my entire adult life. Dropped out of high school, dropped out of community college after a semester, the trade school course I took didn't work out (finished, but job wasn't for me). I had a good 4 year stretch from 23-27 where I had a really well-paying service job (that I was not suited for at all, and was a constant struggle) and the savings from that has been keeping me afloat through short-lived odd jobs and very long stretches of unemployment. Definitely feeling pressure now to make money to be on pace to retire someday. Go in and out with motivation to get my crap together, but constantly lose momentum. I'm back in my hometown right now and it kinda compounds it, I felt like a loser growing up here and it feels embarrassing to be just as badly adjusted now, over a decade removed from the negative social circles I was stuck in because of school. Hoping to get out of here soon to feel less in the past, but financial worries & things to take care of first always seem to put a damper on my plans.