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Posted by Micliph

Social Anxiety Background
severe/extreme social anxiety 2 years.

Other Treatments
CBT, Citalopram

Treatment Experience
Hi.

I'm danish so excuse my spelling and grammar.

I have tried Phenibut many times, and for me it helps me a lot! If I take 500mg it only helps me a little but when I 1g of phenibut it helps me A lot, and i mean A LOT. but ive heard that it could be addictive in the long term and thats why i only take it when i have to go out and do something (i stay at home a lot) then i take 1g and go shopping, go to doctor(talk about SAD), go visit friends and a lot more.

feel good,

kindly regards Mike.​

 

Very effective.

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Posted by Scotso

Other Treatments
L-theanine, melatonin, valerian root.

Treatment Experience
Phenibut works extremely well, especially to help me sleep. I find it far more effective than benzos, with the only downside being the cost and some mild stomach irritation with high doses (that can be controlled with ginger root supplements, in my experience).

I think this is probably the most effective OTC product I've ever used with treating anxiety and insomnia, and possibly the best treatment period.​

 

I've heard a lot about phenibut.

I cannot find it for sale! I hear it's not sold as a supplement in Canada, but is legal as a research chemical.

If anybody has a Canadian source, PLEASE EMAIL/MESSAGE ME!!!

I used to use GBL a lot and this sounds like a milder and more long acting version of that.

I'd only use it twice a week due to it addictive properties.

Anybody have info on it, how to get it or want to discuss it, please contact me.

-MBL

 

I've heard a lot about phenibut.

I cannot find it for sale! I hear it's not sold as a supplement in Canada, but is legal as a research chemical.

If anybody has a Canadian source, PLEASE EMAIL/MESSAGE ME!!!

I used to use GBL a lot and this sounds like a milder and more long acting version of that.

I'd only use it twice a week due to it addictive properties.

Anybody have info on it, how to get it or want to discuss it, please contact me.

-MBL

I used to buy it from the following websites:
Bodybuilding.com
1fast400.com
cognitivenutrition.com

the best brand is Primaforce. The 1 brand to stay away from completely is Higher Power. If u search supplement sites, u'll find many ship to canada. Our retards at customs might however keep the shippment for up to two months.

 

can somebody post a reliable brand? Im thinkin of trying relax all

 

Phenibut.org is where I would get the best stuff. Tried different brands; this site has the most consistent. I had to send one back because it wasn't even phenibut.

 

Relax All has a lot of crap in it.

 

I tried Phenebut in the brand called "Giant" stuff made me feel really horrible and didnt do anything for SA..but Im gonna try it from Primaforce and somewhere else before I give up on it..also Im on my third day of Relax all...I havent really noticed anything different as far as SA but it sure works for sleep...its just that trying all this stuff costs money

 

Ok I have never posted on this site before because I am always just in the background trying to find something that will work for SA, I took Phenibut xt and wow it helped me soooo much today. as you all know it is thanksgiving and all of us with SA know this is a day that will really flair up the anxiety lol (am I wrong?) anyways I usually am ready to just get the day over with and get back home, I usually only stay about an hour to an hour and a half, but today I stayed till everyone left! now I know the tolerence builds quickly with this stuff, but i am only going to take it when I need it like today. I pray that this stuff will help everyone else as much as it did for me today because I feel for anyone that is suffering from SA because it is horrible! I had to write this review in hopes that maybe someone who reads it will try it and help them too as much as it did me. I pray that they will find a easy way out of SA for everyone someday soon, because I know how you all feel.

 

Phenibut is nice.. I've only taken it a handful of times when I've needed it most, and it gives me a nice, slightly drunk feeling that helps in stressful situations. I've never taken more than 1g. I took it with adderall once, and later that night had the equivalent of one beer, and ended up throwing up uncontrollably for two days straight. Oy.

 

Phenibut is nice.. I've only taken it a handful of times when I've needed it most, and it gives me a nice, slightly drunk feeling that helps in stressful situations. I've never taken more than 1g. I took it with adderall once, and later that night had the equivalent of one beer, and ended up throwing up uncontrollably for two days straight. Oy.

I have never taken it with adderall, but I did take 4 pills which was equal to 2g, my stomach was a little woozy but the pros way out weighed the cons for me anyways.

 

I've read many times various opinions that Phenibut works well for social anxiety, but why can't I find any scientific opinion, which will confirmed that?

It is strange that supplement which is working so well on SA wasn't researched by anyone.

Or mayby it's not so good as some people are saying?

 

I've read many times various opinions that Phenibut works well for social anxiety, but why can't I find any scientific opinion, which will confirmed that?

It is strange that supplement which is working so well on SA wasn't researched by anyone.

Or mayby it's not so good as some people are saying?

Well as with any supplement taken, many may recieve positive effects from using them and some may not, I just sure hope that this stuff will work for anyone wanting to relive SA Im praying that some day I can beat SA myself and spread on the "magic" treatment to everyone on this forum

 

Phenibut is one of the biggest joke's out of history, goes straight in line with PEA and jenkem

 

Phenibut is one of the biggest joke's out of history, goes straight in line with PEA and jenkem

Care to elaborate?

Edit: Also I just saw on another website some guy talking about PEA. I've never heard of it before. He says you need to take it with H.E.A.T for it to be orally active, because of the hodenine in the H.E.A.T

 

I'm asking about Your personal experiences. Do You people think that Phenibut can be compared to real anxiolytics like benzos or it is just a placebo like lteanine or valerian?

Because if it's a placebo then it's expensive placebo and I don't want to loose about 25 euros for it ;P

 

Way better. Infact I believe they banned it from coming into canada to iliminate the compitition with benzos. Pharmacutical companies will make sure anything standing in their way gets banned. Famous examples of canada's ignorance: acetyl-l-carnitine is illigal and only gets prescribed, like WTF. Yohimbine HCL is also banned and only legal by prescription for the use of erectyle disfunction. I got both of these supplements into canada more than once and can say they're potent and do exactly wat they say. The Russians produced it in the 60's for anxiety. Russians wouldn't just produce a substance with such proporties if it was not potent. Try it, you won't regret it.

 

Personally, 1g of phenibut is comparable to the benzo ativan to me; I can definitely notice the effect, unlike most supplements I've tried. Other people may react differently or need a higher dose than 1g. This is based entirely on my experience, no science at all, heh. It is not nearly a cure for SA though. It does well to relieve some stress and anxiety, but does not make me much more comfortable talking to people. It was almost a cure with adderall though, til I started puking..

 

so i have to know, have you taken 2g of this stuff yet? because when I first took it I took 1g, it didnt do much at that time... so i took 2g and i waited for about 15 mins, (I was drinking lots of water at this time too, i just always heard that drinking lots of water moves anything you ingest through your system very good.) anyways after that I was at that point where I was happy, havent felt that way in along time around family. but... i agree with you it is not cure for SA, but it sure helps me

 

Personally, 1g of phenibut is comparable to the benzo ativan to me

So it looks nice

 

Rbk:

I'm not sure why you can't find scientific confirmation of the pharmachologic effects. The wikipedia link above provides some reasonable references that are easily accessible (at least here in the US, maybe in Poland it's different). There are something like 300 scientific publications (although most in Russian) evaluating its effects.

If it's personal experience you are looking for, I can tell you that I've been using it for the last month and can personally attest to it's beneficial effects for SA. I'm using Primaforce brand powder. Because of horror stories I'd read on other sites about how addictive it is and how bad the withdrawl could be, I started with 300 mg doses taken a few days apart. It's anxiolytic effect even at this dose was dramatic and lasted an entire work day, and I experienced no hangover after it washed out of my system.

I've since increased my dosage to up to 1g a day. I'm still being careful to take a break from it every second or third day, but I haven't had any of the rebound effects coming off of it that I've heard described elsewhere. My SA comes back after the phenibut's effect wears off, but it's no worse than it was before I started taking it.

As someone mentioned above, and as with any drug (and this is clearly a drug--not a "supplement," whatever that is), YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY. I certainly suggest caution to anybody who tries this. It's chemical properties are close enough to benzo's that you don't want to mix it with alcohol or anything else that messes around with your gabanergic system, and you probably don't want to be depending on it on a daily basis. It's had amazing effects for me, but if that changes, I'll be the first to come back here and tell you how much of nightmare drug it is.

 

I'm not sure why you can't find scientific confirmation of the pharmachologic effects. The wikipedia link above provides some reasonable references that are easily accessible (at least here in the US, maybe in Poland it's different). There are something like 300 scientific publications (although most in Russian) evaluating its effects.

We have very bad opinion in Poland about everything which is Russian ;D So I was looking for researches made by western scientists about phenibut.

http://img20.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/13/38/50/63/1338506350

Does anyone knows that brand?

 

Not yet, though I have another 'thanksgiving' dinner thing on sunday with all my boyfriends friends, and I'll need all the help I can get to help me through it! So probably then. I'll let you know! but I'm glad it helped you a bit!

 

thank you so much, I sure pray my friend that it does help you very very much, let me know.

 

This definitely reduces anxiety.

 

I *WISH* it was available in Canada.

 

It isn't available in Canada? Why?

 

Because Canada has silly, super strict laws about health supplements as if they were evil unless it's "natural", like a vitamin.

 

^^ Once a month is very good, but ive heared ppl getting permanent tolerance after taking it only once weekly, wich doesnt occur with many other substances.

 

I'd like to try it myself. Max of twice weekly. I like GABA type drugs. GHB, GBL, benzos, chloral hydrate.. it's too bad the older sedatives are off the market too. I quit GBL/GHB though, they call it a "date rape drug" and will nail you to the wall if arrested with it. :blank

 

Yeah ive heared you can get punished for pocession in the US.

 

besides that once your addicted the withdrawals are terrible

We are talking about what kind of addiction? I've heard about tolerance and withdrawal symptoms with phenibut. Honestly - I don't know what is the difference between withdrawal symptoms and physical dependence. It is the same thing? Because SSRIs can also make withdrawal symptoms and they are considered non-addictive...
Personally - I never had even withdrawal symptoms after SSRIs.

Well that's true, as with any drug you have to be responsible and know the limits. I take it very infrequently, maybe once a month because I knew about the tolerance issues ahead of time, so that was never a problem. I never heard of addiction being an issue with it but I don't doubt it.

^^ Once a month is very good, but ive heared ppl getting permanent tolerance after taking it only once weekly, wich doesnt occur with many other substances.

And what about increasing dosage? If 1mg is permanently not working and I will take 2 or 3mg? Because if I can take it only once a month I definatly prefer my benzos ;p

 

We are talking about what kind of addiction? I've heard about tolerance and withdrawal symptoms with phenibut. Honestly - I don't know what is the difference between withdrawal symptoms and physical dependence. It is the same thing? Because SSRIs can also make withdrawal symptoms and they are considered non-addictive...
Personally - I never had even withdrawal symptoms after SSRIs.

And what about increasing dosage? If 1mg is permanently not working and I will take 2 or 3mg? Because if I can take it only once a month I definatly prefer my benzos ;p

Thats the big problem with pheniut once you start taking it too much it can cause a permant tolerance with upping the dose not doing anything, ive read that many times.

Also on bluelight several members found phenibut substituted perfectly for GBL withdrawal and that they have a simular withdrawal.
Its addicive simular to other gabaergics, if you can use it only on occasion then addiction isnt a problem.

I do know for some tolerance isnt a big issue if taken once weekly, but take ind mind its capable of inducing a fast rapid tolerance.

 

I hope u tried this combo before stating that. 10mg of deprenyl with large doses of phenylethylamine 30mins later last hours. Infact I've been awake using this combo for 5 days straight many times. I was an addict. Unless u took it like I or others that were addicted, u can't call it a joke. Phenibut is also far from a joke.

 

I hope you keep on eye on your blood pressure with such large dosis, i didnt deny PEA and phenibut are placebo's, i just think both have issues with makes them not very ideal treatments.

Nothing then respect for the russians btw, they invented AMT! My favorite antidepressant.

 

Russians wouldn't just produce a substance with such proporties if it was not potent. Try it, you won't regret it.

I think I will try it But can anyone tell me about this "addiction" to phenibut? Is this only a withdrawall syndrome or what? And how long it takes to get this kind of addiction?

 

The addiction will rarely happens to phenibut. I've been using it for over three years. I started off taking it about 1-2 times every two weeks. I discovered that mixing it with caffeine and ephedrine gave me a similar feeling to amphetamines. This made perfect sense to me as amphetamine are capable of stimulating the following neurotransmitters: dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin. Different amphetamines stimulate different neurotransmitters. Phenibut inhibits dopamine and serotonin. Caffeine stimulates dopamine and a norepinephrine like neurotransmitter; noradrenaline. Ephedrine stimulates norepinephrine. Taking it about once a week worked amazingly for the first year. It became less and less potent every month just as amphetamines would if you were take them as often. After two years I started to use it frequently, averaging 2-3 times per week. Eventually it lost its use after 3 years and started making me feel anxious when taken. I will now take a little bit about once every 2 weeks when I'm in real need of a clear functioning mind. The longest I would use it is two days in a row with taking it three days straight no more than two times. It never really made me depressed after using it. I never felt I was addicted to it as you would be too dizzy and needing a break from it after two days. I had amazing sleeps and would wake up energized and alert if I would take it early enough in the day for its sleep aiding properties to start working.

Never having been addicted to it, I did however overdose myself and many of my friends numerous times. Overdose effects include: dizziness, loss of motor skills, extreme nausea. Major overdose includes vomiting every 15-45 minutes non-stop for 12+ hours and having no recollection of occurred events. It can render you unconscious in high doses just like GHB as its chemical structure is virtually identical. Anything that acts on GABA receptors when taken in high amounts will have this effect: alcohol and benzodiazepines (ativan, valium, xanax). Being 150lb (male), I learned that I shouldn't exceed 2grams in a 24 hour period. As long as you pace it out the first few times you take it to determine your threshold and know the amount you're taking; you should never experience the adverse effects mentioned above. If you wish to combine it with caffeine and ephedrine as I did, this is the optimal procedure: ingest about 50-75% of your max 24 hour dose. 1 hour later, ingest the remainder of the dose along with 200-300mg of caffeine and 16-32mg of ephedrine.

I graduated from college with all As in my majoring courses in the final year of my 3-year diploma in business administration. I majored in accounting and managed to land a government job as an auditor before completing my program that I started a week after graduation. Getting the job was no easy task. It required passing an IQ and an english test of which 70 of 220 people that entered the competition had passed. Then 21 of the 70 were hired after passing an interview consisting of three challenging questions being answered. The categories were: time management, a difficult situation and a socially challenging situation. All three had to be logically presented to two interviewers after being given time to prepare them by yourself.

I mentioned all that because I know that if it wasn't for the phenibut/caffeine/ephedrine combinations; I would have not had the job I have now.

I'm Russian by the way and I know the tension the Polaks and the Russians had. I read what you wrote before and I hope this Russian product helps you along with what I wrote in this extended post. Phenibut deserves the recognition I have given it by sharing the information I acquired through experience.