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Which one do you root for? Which do you think is better for yourself and the public?

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one dumb user name said:
capitalists believe in the free market, with little or no government interference.

socialists believe in heavy government subsidies, particularly of human services programs (like health care).

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Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production. In application, however, the de facto meaning of socialism has changed with time. Although it is a politically loaded term, it remains strongly related to the establishment of an organized working class, created through either revolution or social evolution, with the purpose of building a classless society. It has also, increasingly, become concentrated on social reforms within modern democracies. This concept and the term Socialist also refer to a group of ideologies, an economic system, or a state that exists or has existed.
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Capitalism refers to an economic system in which all or most of the means of production are privately owned and operated and where investments, production, distribution, income, and prices are determined by market forces (a "free market"), rather than by any other methods (such as economic planning in a planned economy, for example). Those in control of the means of production in capitalist societies have generally run them for monetary profit.

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extremely capitalist.

unfortunately for us, we live in a mildly socialist country. we arent as far gone as canada and western europe, but we are sure heading in that direction.

we need leaders with a lot less heart. all we have now are a bunch of hand wringers, who, at least, *feign* concern for the poor. but why should the achievers pay for those whove made a mess out of their lives. it is nothing less than stealing.
 

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capitalists believe in the free market, with little or no government interference.

socialists believe in heavy government subsidies, particularly of human services programs (like health care).
 

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wituckius said:
Not all wealth is a product of hard work. A lot of it is luck.
Or dishonesty and greed.
so you want the government to help us out?

there is just as much dishonesty and greed in the government as there is in the private sector.
 

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one dumb user name said:
unfortunately for us, we live in a mildly socialist country. we arent as far gone as canada and western europe, but we are sure heading in that direction..
Thanks heavens, maybe people that need medical care will get it.

I MUST learn to quote two people at once!
 

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one dumb user name said:
ott said:
wituckius said:
Not all wealth is a product of hard work. A lot of it is luck.
Or dishonesty and greed.
so you want the government to help us out?

there is just as much dishonesty and greed in the government as there is in the private sector.
Yeah, but at least this way, we all would benefit, not a select few that can afford a lobbiest.
 

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extremely capitalist.

unfortunately for us, we live in a mildly socialist country. we arent as far gone as canada and western europe, but we are sure heading in that direction.

we need leaders with a lot less heart. all we have now are a bunch of hand wringers, who, at least, *feign* concern for the poor. but why should the achievers pay for those whove made a mess out of their lives. it is nothing less than stealing.
:lol :lol :lol

Unfortunately, life is not that simple. We are not all born with EQUAL uppprtunities and luck. One simply cannot achieve a decent life with HARD WORK. American Dream is just a dream, not reality.

There are many elements that yield to success. First of all, education. A peaceful and supportive family is a MUST for a child to succeed in studies. It can be hard for someone who is blessed with a good family to think it is not important, and they could have done it even if they did not have the support. I cannot convince you if you have never been in a situation like that. (am I making sense?)

Lets say one is born into a supportive and peaceful yet financially troubled family. In such a case, even if the person does work hard and get the marks in school, they will not be able to go to college or university.

You mention "those who have made a mess of their lives". who are you referring to cause the majority of the poor have not messed up their lives since they never even had the chance.

How can one possibly say it has been fair all along and it is each individual's fault to have a messed up life?? Have you forgotten about how certain minorities (African-Americans mostly) had been treated since 200 years ago? It has only been recently that the idea of FAIRNESS has been somewhat introduced. Just recently the women's rights have been introduced.

These words seem to belong to someone who has had little exposure to the real world.

I am a perfect example of my argument. If it had not been for Ontario Student Assistant Program There would have been no way I could have gone to university. No way. I would have to start looking for minimum paying jobs, and start living a life far below the middle class way of life.

How can anyone justify luxurious life for some, along with poverty and death (remember 'John Q') for the rest??

I am very happy to live in Canada, where people have a higher quality of life than people in US (lower crime rate and other social problems).
 

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Have you forgotten about how certain minorities (African-Americans mostly) had been treated since 200 years ago?
i think im pretty outspoken on civil rights issues.

and in my part of the country, it was the government that said blacks couldnt drink out of the same water fountain as whites. it was the government that wouldnt let them go to the same schools. in alabama, the governor was standing in the schoolhouse door to block access.

in my birth state of virginia, the state closed its schools to keep them from integrating.

i dont believe for one second the government gives a flip about minorities. why should i trust them to protect civil rights?

These words seem to belong to someone who has had little exposure to the real world.
yes i just fell off the turnip truck.

i be a stupid hick.
 

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This will probably strike the extremists as evading the question, but a society that was based purely on capitalism or socialism would be a miserable place in my opinion. Either way there are going to be some people benefitting from it and many others toiling away in futility. It just depends on who you want screwing you over: capitalist pigs, or socialist controllers.

In my view, the best we can hope for is a basically capitalist society with some aspects of socialism. There would definitely be problems, but not as bad as one that was at an extreme end of the scale.
 

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Molten Universe said:
This will probably strike the extremists as evading the question, but a society that was based purely on capitalism or socialism would be a miserable place in my opinion. Either way there are going to be some people benefitting from it and many others toiling away in futility. It just depends on who you want screwing you over: capitalist pigs, or socialist controllers.

In my view, the best we can hope for is a basically capitalist society with some aspects of socialism. There would definitely be problems, but not as bad as one that was at an extreme end of the scale.
:agree
 

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Molten Universe said:
This will probably strike the extremists as evading the question, but a society that was based purely on capitalism or socialism would be a miserable place in my opinion. Either way there are going to be some people benefitting from it and many others toiling away in futility. It just depends on who you want screwing you over: capitalist pigs, or socialist controllers.

In my view, the best we can hope for is a basically capitalist society with some aspects of socialism. There would definitely be problems, but not as bad as one that was at an extreme end of the scale.
:agree
:agree

Socialism sounds good in theory but in the real word is often misused to the benefit of those in power and not of the masses. If I had a choice to live in a capitalist country like the U.S. or a socialist country--Latin America comes to mind--I'd choose to stay put.
 

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neither!
 

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Both socialism and capitalism are misused by those in power. Both Capitalism and Socialism seem good in theory, but both tend toward corruption. The attraction of the USA is pop-culture. Many foreigners find the crap-culture extremely enticing. Its called Soft-Diplomacy by the government, to the extent that a German can be won over to support the USA, simply because he finds for instance the electric guitar or blues music appealing, for example. So I can only answer concerning theory and not practice of either capitalism or socialism. I would prefer a government more socialist than western Europe, but not Soviet or oppressive with KGB like Russia, somewhere between Russia and Western Europe. The NSA in the USA and KGB in Russia prove both capitalism and socialism can become oppressive. For instance in Sweden the government controls all the liquor, and one can only buy alcohol from a government run store. Ontario has something similar, and Canada has a very stable economy, better than the USA. Then we have production. Now the computer is a nice tool. I have one, but I use Slackware on it, a free open source more socialist operating system, and I frankly dont need the latest Apple gadget, and Steve Jobs is dead, so whatever capitalist innovation he did was meaningless, as I have never used a Mac. Mild innovation is good, but at some point it is all just crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget
 

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I'd rather live in a moral capitalist society.
 

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Now the computer is a nice tool. I have one, but I use Slackware on it, a free open source more socialist operating system, and I frankly dont need the latest Apple gadget, and Steve Jobs is dead, so whatever capitalist innovation he did was meaningless, as I have never used a Mac. Mild innovation is good, but at some point it is all just crap.
Nice first post... :sus

Slackware is communist (given away free, and only people who have the ability to help need to)
Red hat would be socialist. (pay a little to get more people to create new things)
Apple has changed a lot of industries, not just computers. I have the latest Apple gadget, and Jobs and Apple's innovations have changed the world.
 
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