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People can display certain traits but would not have it as a personality disorder. To have NPD you would have to meet a good sum of symptoms, regardless on whether you have SA, are introverted or extroverted, etc.

Probably a troll question, but answering in a direct and watered down version anyway.
 

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I don't think so. I have a form of social anxiety and traits but I still help out/care about other people.
 

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I googled 'Is social anxiety related to narcism' b/c I'm lazy and found this viewpoint to be pretty spot on.

"Let me turn it around. Are narcissistic people socially anxious? I doubt so. They like to boast about themselves to feel good about themselves. They assume people will like them, and even if people don't like them, they don't care, they have sufficient self-love to get by. It doesn't hurt if they do not receive such love from others.

Socially anxious people, on the other hand, usually don't feel too good about themselves. They care what other people think of them, because they want to be liked and accepted. They struggle if they face rejection or are deemed by others to be inferior, uncool, or unlikeable. They do not know how special and wonderful they are and that actually they do not really need anyone's approval to be truly approved.

Looking from this angle, though both the socially anxious and narcissist are preoccupied with themselves, their motivations or starting points are very different. One thinks they are too good to be true, the other thinks they are not good enough to be loved."
 

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I think for some forms of anxiety, they are very closely related


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Is there a link between the two? both of them seem to be overly concerned with themselfs
Just the realm of self-protection and self-affirming. Yeah, there is an element of narcissism in SA.
 

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Social anxiety is a symptom more than it is a disorder in itself. Also, this site isn't necessarily restricted to those who have social ANXIETY, but people who just plain socially inept/frustrated as well. You're definitely going to find narcissists as well as other predatory personality types among the boards just as you would the normal population.

But, no, I don't think there is any special link between narcissism and social anxiety. This post feels more like a dig at someone than a legitimate question.
 

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Both care greatly about what others think. Except social anxiety probably sulks and withdraws if they realize others think of them negatively. The fear of displeasing others and having probably more regard for the feelings of others, in fear they will be disliked. Narcissists on the other hand in this case will lash out and go on the offense at others they deem think negatively of them to try to either manipulate, force, or coerce them and even to hurt them if necessary, in order to "fix" them into changing their opinion, until they feel like they are being liked and being seen positively. They have very little regard of other's feelings aside from that of their own. They think in a perspective that revolves mostly around oneself and very little or even none of others.
In my view, narcissism in severe cases should actually be seen as sociopathy.
 

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I think that SA is generally the complete opposite of thinking too highly of oneself. The average SAer seems to worship other people and think of themselves as complete garbage. I don't know. I've been here 10 years and I've seen people say the same thing pretty much every day I've been here. They hate themselves and wish they could be like everyone else. That doesn't seem like narcissism at all to me.
 

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I think when people equate the two they're thinking more about vulnerable/covert narcissism than grandiose. The personality disorder diagnoses is generally based on grandiose narcissism though (and it also has to occur not as a part of another personality or mood disorder like bipolar. Like Kanye West is a narcissist but he probably doesn't have NPD because he has bipolar.)

If you reduce narcissism to being self absorbed then it's true of every personality disorder I think. Can't think of any that aren't actually off the top of my head. Even the schizo-spectrum ones (SA is likely on that spectrum as follows: SA > AvPD > Schizoid > Schizotypal > Other schizophrenia conditions) that involve diffuse identities still involve some level of self absorption or self absorption as a defence from losing the self into others etc. If you're very sensitive and you absorb everything that's going on around you because you have no filter for information - all the sounds, and the emotions of other people. Like this image it starts to drive you crazy especially as you become more stressed or experience certain negative life experiences that are overwhelming. This is a bit different to basic narcissism but like I say most people with one PD have symptoms of others, they all overlap, they all have fuzzy borders until you get to the extremes etc.

Cause like most disorders are tied to problems with theory of mind, emotional dysregulation, stimulus processing, and self-other distinctions at a base level.
 

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I was told I had narcissistic personality disorder ages ago when I first started going into hospital to try and get off the Xanax. I can understand why - at the time I think I was probably manic - raving actually, talking constantly about myself and how wonderful I was (grandiosity) and how I wanted to kill certain people. How much pleasure I got for example from the hatred I felt sometimes. I still remember the poor woman sitting there frantically writing everything I said down in her notes.

Quite interesting really, because I don't think I fit the criteria for it normally.
Yeah grandiosity is common during mania but I guess if they weren't aware they would assume NPD though I think the other symptoms should have tipped them off.
 

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Yeah grandiosity is common during mania but I guess if they weren't aware they would assume NPD though I think the other symptoms should have tipped them off.
Yeah, I'd say it must be very hard to diagnose something like bipolar or a lot of other disorders too really. I'm "lucky" in that when I had that really big manic episode it was sort of a text-book example of what happens. Plus of course my wife was frantically calling my old psychiatrist saying she didn't know where I was and what the hell was he going to do about it. That got their attention.

Sometimes I think symptoms need to be really severe before anyone really notices.
 

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Yeah, I'd say it must be very hard to diagnose something like bipolar or a lot of other disorders too really. I'm "lucky" in that when I had that really big manic episode it was sort of a text-book example of what happens. Plus of course my wife was frantically calling my old psychiatrist saying she didn't know where I was and what the hell was he going to do about it. That got their attention.

Sometimes I think symptoms need to be really severe before anyone really notices.
Not sure if I can agree to that last statement. When I started anti-depressants and a sedative, that's when the 'manic' episodes came in. Usually when one goes on anti-depressants and becomes manic, it is considered as bipolar disorder. But looking back and seeing how I've basically been given one medication after another simply because of any move that was made, it made things worse than they actually were. When it genuinely started going bad and I went cold turkey from medicine while other things were going on, that was when I was least seriously taken. I hold that grudge with the psychiatric and to an extent the psychologist industries. This also counts the potential bodily damage that was done if I had not went cold turkey after basically being told to 'suck it up'.
 

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Also to make as a follow-up, I am not giving my personal testimony to side on whether one should be pro or against any psychiatric medicine or therapy. I do think that it is just one example as to how faulty a system can be with other external factors involved, even if the people working under it are (optimistically saying for the most part) well-intended.
 

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Not sure if I can agree to that last statement. When I started anti-depressants and a sedative, that's when the 'manic' episodes came in. Usually when one goes on anti-depressants and becomes manic, it is considered as bipolar disorder. But looking back and seeing how I've basically been given one medication after another simply because of any move that was made, it made things worse than they actually were. When it genuinely started going bad and I went cold turkey from medicine while other things were going on, that was when I was least seriously taken. I hold that grudge with the psychiatric and to an extent the psychologist industries. This also counts the potential bodily damage that was done if I had not went cold turkey after basically being told to 'suck it up'.
I wouldn't even begin to try and describe the problems I've had with psychiatrists - and I never usually defend them. I've been on the medication round-about before too ages ago - it's disgraceful. I remember being in the hospital and one of them will have wanted me to try some drug - only for it to make me feel so horrible I couldn't walk. A few times I literally had to just tell the nurses I refused to take it anymore and then I told the shrink later. I can't stand most of them - and I really hate medication tbh.

But I do think it must be hard for them to diagnose serious mental health issues. They need to watch over a period of time and see how things change. Plus when they first meet you - which is what I was basically talking about there - they only really have what's in front of them to go by.

I don't honestly know how many of my problems were caused by the medication itself and which was me. My wife thinks I've been pretty strange ever since she met me 30 years ago - and I agree with her, although I don't completely trust her memory either.
 

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People can display certain traits but would not have it as a personality disorder. To have NPD you would have to meet a good sum of symptoms, regardless on whether you have SA, are introverted or extroverted, etc.

Probably a troll question, but answering in a direct and watered down version anyway.
Why do you think it's a troll question?

Genuine interested in the correlation

The bad narcissism is caused by a lack of self esteem, and they use a projection method to protect them of their insecurity.

I feel like the mechanism behind SAD is to cause anxiety to avoid certain scenarios

Btw by no means I am attacking anyone, I just read an article and was interested about everyone opinion. Everyone here is so easily drawn to conclusion.
 

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Social anxiety is a symptom more than it is a disorder in itself. Also, this site isn't necessarily restricted to those who have social ANXIETY, but people who just plain socially inept/frustrated as well. You're definitely going to find narcissists as well as other predatory personality types among the boards just as you would the normal population.

But, no, I don't think there is any special link between narcissism and social anxiety. This post feels more like a dig at someone than a legitimate question.
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