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Since GBL is legal I was wondering if anyone else has tried GHB or GBL and what effect it had on social anxiety? From what I've read on other places it seems to be a great alcohol substitute with less side effects like not destroying your liver.
 

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From my own experience, GBL has numerous negative health effects and isn't much healthier than alcohol. Severe dehydration, metabolic acidosis and vitamin depletion come to mind. GHB on the other hand is perfectly non-toxic, though it still shouldn't be used on a regular basis due to rapid tolerance development and withdrawal.

Their effects? Very similar, but GBL is faster-acting and much more harsh on the comedown. Both will make you confident, talkative and a little bit stupid (not nearly as much as alcohol). They will also make you so sexual that you may end up having experiences you'll later regret (also known as "oh my god what have I done!?" syndrome).
 

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GBL has numerous negative health effects and isn't much healthier than alcohol.
I have consumed 10 litres of GBL during my first year of self-medicating (I call it my "dumb year ;)"), but I had always perfect blood results, urine tests, ecg and so on. And my doctor says I am in perfect health right now. But today I agree that GHB is for sure the better choice. Trying to "treat" SA with GBL or GHB is risky, especially if someone tends to abuse substances.
 

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Does the drug show up in standard drug tests? Not that I imagine I would ever be tested. It seems quite cheap too, £438 for 10 litres, which metabolises to 16kg of ghb if wikipedia is to believed which would last a lifetime.
 

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For me it was not quite a lifetime. ;) It doesn't show up in any drug test. One has to specifically search for it with advanced methods (eg. in a date rape case). And there is just a limited amount of time because of the short half-life.
 

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I have consumed 10 litres of GBL during my first year of self-medicating (I call it my "dumb year ;)"), but I had always perfect blood results, urine tests, ecg and so on. And my doctor says I am in perfect health right now. But today I agree that GHB is for sure the better choice. Trying to "treat" SA with GBL or GHB is risky, especially if someone tends to abuse substances.
What if you don't abuse substances, and have narcolepsy like symptoms(getting no REM sleep) and excessive daytime sleepiness?
 

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Sounds great then, I plan to use it as a substitue for alcohol when in social situations so I shouldn't come across that problem anyway. I just have to find some NaOH now, and hope I don't get arrested for ordering it lol.
 

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You can't get arrested just for ordering GBL to England AFAIK. If you synthesize GHB it's a different story.
 

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GBL is actually becoming illegal here very soon, I think. Oh well, it'll just join class C with GHB, and we all know how hard it is to get class Cs...
 

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Luckily I don't live in the UK. ;) But I'm sorry for you guys.
 

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Yeah there's a possiblity that might happen because of one of those idiot parents campagining after their daughter died from an overdose, the same kind of thing happened with "extreme porn", so much for democracy in the UK. Seems strange that very addictive benzos are pescribed when GHB and cannabis can't be. Sometimes you feel like sending hatemail to these people and wondering to yourself, "why couldn't she have died instead?".
 

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Tried gbl today and it tasted horrendous even when diluted to less than 1%, it's definitely going to have to be K-GHB.
 

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I live in the States (texas to be exact), can I order GBL here? And if so where do I order online or pick it up in what store(s).

Sounds promising. A whole lot better than drinking alcohol!
 

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Tried gbl today and it tasted horrendous even when diluted to less than 1%,
Mix it with a soft drink; the bubbles/taste numbs your mouth and GBL is less nasty.

it's definitely going to have to be K-GHB.
Converting to GHB is a good idea yeah, not that anyone can discuss it here. Saying that, I used to squirt 2mL and more straight into my mouth with a bit of water (and irritated my lips pretty badly). Once the fun starts you care less about taste.

I live in the States (texas to be exact), can I order GBL here? And if so where do I order online or pick it up in what store(s).

Sounds promising. A whole lot better than drinking alcohol!
We shouldn't be discussing sources here, but if you google it, it's pretty easy to find. AFAIK state laws vary in the US, so you might wanna check.
 

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1ml seems to have an anxiolytic effect, felt strange though, kind of out of it, can't really describe it.
 

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In Holland it's very easy to buy GBL. I ordered abouth 2 months ago and they delivered the next day with no questions asked.
I love GBL but i only use it once or twice a week. 1,5ml is a high enough dosage for me. Many people dislike the taste, but i don't so i just take it with 500ml of water and another 500ml right afterwards.
It takes about 15 minutes to kick in and when it does you first feel a nice euphoric rush for about half an hour. After that you come in relaxation mode, and the anxiety is almost gone for another 2 hours.
After those 2,5/3 hours it begins to wear off. Too bad the effects are so short, but i still love it.
 

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GHB is used at low doses under the trade name "Alcover" in some countries to treat alcoholism. ;)
 

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GHB/GBL loses its euphoric effects over time (when abused) and you have to go further into GABA-B territory. If I ever do it again, I'll be taking magnesium and/or memantine for tolerance. We need a better GHB agonist...
 

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Hmm might want to check this out. Replace an old addiction (alcohol) with a new one :D j/k
Yeah that is a risk if you are prone to addiction. I don't really am.
I mean i have everyday access to GBL, Klonopin, Phenibut, Ritalin, PEA, weed and Alcohol but i don't use them very much, while other people might get easily addicted to even one of those substances.
So in that way i am a little bit proud of myself.
So guys, please be careful with stuff like GBL and PEA, because the abuse potential is very high.
 

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I heard from somebody on another forum that nothing comes closer to a real SA cure than GHB + Amphetamine. It wouldn't be at all practical for a daily regimen due to ultra-fast tolerance forming, but at least you'd be able to use it several times a week unlike MDMA or AMT.

Hell, just one of either GHB or Amp would completely rid me of my psychological illness.
 
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