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I started out on clonazepam... that didn't help.

Now I'm on Buspar and zoloft going on 3 months. I just stopped taking zoloft cuz it's garbage (robs me of my emotions and didn't really help at all). So now I'm just taking the Buspar and going to therapy. My life sucks because nothing has changed and it has been this way for the past 5 or 6 years.

If I drink heavily I lose my anxiety, but I still don't talk to people.

The only time I felt normal was when I popped 23 mgs of hydrocodone before going to the movies... It was the first time I had felt like a normal person in years...
 

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I started out on clonazepam... that didn't help.

Now I'm on Buspar and zoloft going on 3 months. I just stopped taking zoloft cuz it's garbage (robs me of my emotions and didn't really help at all). So now I'm just taking the Buspar and going to therapy. My life sucks because nothing has changed and it has been this way for the past 5 or 6 years.

If I drink heavily I lose my anxiety, but I still don't talk to people.

The only time I felt normal was when I popped 23 mgs of hydrocodone before going to the movies... It was the first time I had felt like a normal person in years...
Allow plenty of time for the Buspar to work, it can take weeks before you start to see any benefit.

I hear what you're saying about drinking.. it used to be my cure for SA, but I think to get the benefit you have to go drink in a social setting like a pub/bar, even if you're only alone, you'll soon have people speak to you and get confident. Sitting outside pubs in the summer with a drink and a cig and shades on, I almost felt normal and people would come and chat to me..ahh those were the days!

I know what you mean about opiates too and SA. I have used them myself in past to great effect. It really does help and makes you feel wonderful and happy. Only problem is, great for occasional recreational use, but terrible choice as a daily med/SA treatment, because of all the risks of dependency and tolerance...it's a slippery slope eh, many people who get addicted to opiates end up chasing the high on hard drugs like heroin.
 

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I'm on no meds and i'm pretty lazy now already.. Dang how do you guys can take those heavy tranquilizers and still live a normal life.
I think if i was to take Benzos i would sit on my arse all day long literally not managing to do anything. Or am i wrong about the effect? I haven't tried them myself yet so cant really judge.
 

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I'm on no meds and i'm pretty lazy now already.. Dang how do you guys can take those heavy tranquilizers and still live a normal life.
I think if i was to take Benzos i would sit on my arse all day long literally not managing to do anything. Or am i wrong about the effect? I haven't tried them myself yet so cant really judge.
i wouldnt take any sedating drugs often, everything except clonazepam, at a low dose i don't even feel any strong effects but my anxiety is 70% gone for the whole day just from one little pill.

no sedation or high at that dose.
 

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If I drink heavily I lose my anxiety, but I still don't talk to people.
Maybe you just aren't a very sociable person? If you're naturally extremely introverted/asocial, taking away anxiety just makes you carefree, not a different person altogether. I can drink to the point of alcohol poisoning and still be stuck inside my head, not with anxiety, just with introversion.
 

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Allow plenty of time for the Buspar to work, it can take weeks before you start to see any benefit.

I hear what you're saying about drinking.. it used to be my cure for SA, but I think to get the benefit you have to go drink in a social setting like a pub/bar, even if you're only alone, you'll soon have people speak to you and get confident. Sitting outside pubs in the summer with a drink and a cig and shades on, I almost felt normal and people would come and chat to me..ahh those were the days!

I know what you mean about opiates too and SA. I have used them myself in past to great effect. It really does help and makes you feel wonderful and happy. Only problem is, great for occasional recreational use, but terrible choice as a daily med/SA treatment, because of all the risks of dependency and tolerance...it's a slippery slope eh, many people who get addicted to opiates end up chasing the high on hard drugs like heroin.
I'm coming up on two months with the Buspar. srry for the rage (I'm in a better mood now lol). I just feel like I would have the same amount of anxiety without it... and if it's helping but very little (like 5%) I can't even tell and it's pointless IMO.

Good advice... But last time I drank heavily I was at a party :blank. Said a few words to the people I knew then that was it... Totally quiet and kept to myself the rest of the night (not really enjoying myself nor bored or anything, kinda in the middle).

I wish psychiatrists could/would prescribe opiates for SA. I was able to down a bottle safely within the span of a month without getting addicted and avoiding taking anything 2 days in a row. I'd rather use vicodin for my SA than for physical pain.
 

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u sure u tried clon ?
how many MG's?

its literally a cure or me.
Yea. For about 2 months.

From what I recall .5 mg pills and I started out taking 2 a day then went up to 4 cuz 2 stopped working. tbh I don't even remember how well they worked, just that 2 stopped working. They might of destroyed my short-term memory too... I don't remember! LOL
 

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I'm on no meds and i'm pretty lazy now already.. Dang how do you guys can take those heavy tranquilizers and still live a normal life.
I think if i was to take Benzos i would sit on my arse all day long literally not managing to do anything. Or am i wrong about the effect? I haven't tried them myself yet so cant really judge.
I'll second that. I am a lazy mofo. I don't think benzo's are heavy tranquilizers. But everyone is different I guess. I always feel tired so it's really hard for me to tell if a med is making me tired or not.

Heroin would probably do that to you, but I don't think benzos or barbs...
 

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Maybe you just aren't a very sociable person? If you're naturally extremely introverted/asocial, taking away anxiety just makes you carefree, not a different person altogether. I can drink to the point of alcohol poisoning and still be stuck inside my head, not with anxiety, just with introversion.
Maybe. When I was young I was pretty extroverted, but still shy at times... It seems like now it has reversed... I just have no clue and it's really pissing me off.
 

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I wish psychiatrists could/would prescribe opiates for SA. I was able to down a bottle safely within the span of a month without getting addicted and avoiding taking anything 2 days in a row. I'd rather use vicodin for my SA than for physical pain.
I enjoy my opiates as much as anybody, but i don't think that would be a good idea. If it was prescribed for SA then it would be prescribed for alot of other mental illnesses, and that would lead to alot of addicts. Im aware that some people would be able to limit themselves and not become addicted, but many people would. Look at how much benzos are abused, and they aren't anywhere near as euphoric as opiates.

If your really set on taking them though, you could always get em off the streets. They are readily available if you know the right people
 

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I enjoy my opiates as much as anybody, but i don't think that would be a good idea. If it was prescribed for SA then it would be prescribed for alot of other mental illnesses, and that would lead to alot of addicts. Im aware that some people would be able to limit themselves and not become addicted, but many people would. Look at how much benzos are abused, and they aren't anywhere near as euphoric as opiates.

If your really set on taking them though, you could always get em off the streets. They are readily available if you know the right people
Yea, but if opiates can be prescribed for pain (or prescribed in the first place), then they should be able to be prescribed for other things too.

I'm set on being able to be normal again. Not necessarily getting high... I can only imagine too that getting them off the streets would get to be pretty expensive over time. Plus, my SA is so extreme that I will just about never initiate a conversation. I also don't "know" a lot of people.
 

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Yea, but if opiates can be prescribed for pain (or prescribed in the first place), then they should be able to be prescribed for other things too.

I'm set on being able to be normal again. Not necessarily getting high... I can only imagine too that getting them off the streets would get to be pretty expensive over time. Plus, my SA is so extreme that I will just about never initiate a conversation. I also don't "know" a lot of people.
They're prescribed for pain because they're pretty much the only med that works well for pain. I mean sure theres stuff like ibuprofen and acetaminophen but those aren't going to work for somebody with ,say, a broken bone. If a new drug is discovered that works just as well as opiates in treating pain and it doesn't get you high, then opiates would probably be history.

And yes youre right about it being expensive...much more expensive than getting a script filled at the pharmacy
 

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They're prescribed for pain because they're pretty much the only med that works well for pain. I mean sure theres stuff like ibuprofen and acetaminophen but those aren't going to work for somebody with ,say, a broken bone. If a new drug is discovered that works just as well as opiates in treating pain and it doesn't get you high, then opiates would probably be history.

And yes youre right about it being expensive...much more expensive than getting a script filled at the pharmacy
For me, the hydrocodone and acetaminphen combination in vicodin (at least in higher doses - say (2) 5/500's = 10/1000 with no tolerance) works better at blocking pain than a morphine shot or iv. Morphine just seems to make you more drowsy. There's a lot out there for pain though and I really haven't tried much...
 

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I wish psychiatrists could/would prescribe opiates for SA. I was able to down a bottle safely within the span of a month without getting addicted and avoiding taking anything 2 days in a row. I'd rather use vicodin for my SA than for physical pain.
It's not worth it man trust me. Everybody starts out just taking some vicodin or percocet. Stuff is amazing at first but it gets worse and worse. I was able to go a year using it once a week or so. Now if I get my hands on some opiates it's all gone in a few days...and afterwards I get really bad cravings. Luckily I don't have enough money or I would be addicted just like some of my friends. I know most people just say don't do it's bad, you'll get addicted, etc. But to be honest there's nothing better then numbing you're emotions and that's what opiates do....until you start to crave it bad and get a mental addiction (nevermind a physical addiction which is just hell on earth I imagine).

Anyway, i'm not trying to tell you or anybody what to do but just trying to explain my extensive experience with the drug. It's hard to understand you if haven't been thru it or seen other people go thru it first hand...trust me I know I was there once myself.
 

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I wish psychiatrists could/would prescribe opiates for SA. I was able to down a bottle safely within the span of a month without getting addicted and avoiding taking anything 2 days in a row. I'd rather use vicodin for my SA than for physical pain.
My experience = any more than about once or twice (assuming they're not long acting) a week and you become noticeably more miserable on the days off. And when you're using them non continuously like that, tolerance can be slow enough in building that you think you can get away with more frequent use than is possible.

IMO, with the hard drugs like opiates and stims, it's a lot safer to only use them for occasional social events, rather than for regular everyday life situations. Because if you can only go out and socialise with them as your crutch, you can just reduce your social life to reduce drug use, but if you can only go to a job or whatever with your "crutch", if/when it stops working, you're screwed, and could end up with an upwards spiralling addiction.

Yea, but if opiates can be prescribed for pain (or prescribed in the first place), then they should be able to be prescribed for other things too.

I'm set on being able to be normal again. Not necessarily getting high... I can only imagine too that getting them off the streets would get to be pretty expensive over time. Plus, my SA is so extreme that I will just about never initiate a conversation. I also don't "know" a lot of people.
I think you'd find the long term efficacy of opiates for anxiety, depression, , anhedonia, or just plain shyness to be rather horrendous. If you can get more than 2-4 weeks of it from a fixed dose, you'll have done better than I ever could. The feelgood/psychological aspect of them is very short lived compared to the painkilling effect.
 

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IMO, with the hard drugs like opiates and stims, it's a lot safer to only use them for occasional social events, rather than for regular everyday life situations. Because if you can only go out and socialise with them as your crutch, you can just reduce your social life to reduce drug use, but if you can only go to a job or whatever with your "crutch", if/when it stops working, you're screwed, and could end up with an upwards spiralling addiction.
True words...thats exactly what happened to me. I had to start a new job (my biggest fear) and i started using opiates to cope with the extreme anxiety. Addiction soon followed. And the days when i didn't have the opiates were practically unbearable. So even though its a great short term solution, its not worth it in the end. You'll end up worse than you were to begin with
 

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They're prescribed for pain because they're pretty much the only med that works well for pain. I mean sure theres stuff like ibuprofen and acetaminophen but those aren't going to work for somebody with ,say, a broken bone. If a new drug is discovered that works just as well as opiates in treating pain and it doesn't get you high, then opiates would probably be history.

And yes youre right about it being expensive...much more expensive than getting a script filled at the pharmacy
Great sensible responses from Nogy and euphoria as always :) I totally agree. Anything which makes you feel as good as opiates is definitely not a good daily or regular treatment option for SA because its going to lead to addiction and a cycle of abuse. Even if you have the best will in the world it often ends up that way because these are such physically and psychologically addictive substances. It's ultimately self-destructive behaviour I think to become reliant on opiates. I speak from experience from using tramadol, codeine and opium for like 2-3 years. When you stop, or when you get tolerance/health problems and have to stop, you become frustrated because nothing matches that high and euphoria. Nothing else compares to it and you begin comparing things to it and chasing that feeling again. I think that is why people generally "move up the ladder" and take more and more, more potent ones and then morphine or heroin etc. Opiates are controlled substances and scheduled in most countries for good reason.
 

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Maybe it is reasonable to rotate meds of different (but not opposite) pharmacological groups? For instance take lyrica and/or phenibut or benzo on the days free of opioids. Thus killing tolerance to opioids and not developing tolerance for the meds mentioned. And no need to feel miserable during the break. And not developing tolerance for the meds mentioned.
 

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I started out on clonazepam... that didn't help.

Now I'm on Buspar and zoloft going on 3 months. I just stopped taking zoloft cuz it's garbage (robs me of my emotions and didn't really help at all). So now I'm just taking the Buspar and going to therapy. My life sucks because nothing has changed and it has been this way for the past 5 or 6 years.

If I drink heavily I lose my anxiety, but I still don't talk to people.

The only time I felt normal was when I popped 23 mgs of hydrocodone before going to the movies... It was the first time I had felt like a normal person in years...
hit up buprenorphine if only opiates work for you. Works for me and has for over a year. Safer than stimulants or benzos and legal and free with insurance.
 
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