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Helena_SAS 02-26-2010 01:02 PM

Rhodiola Rosea
 
Rhodiola rosea may be effective for improving mood and alleviating depression. Pilot studies on human subjects showed that it improves physical and mental performance, and may reduce fatigue.

More Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea

Cerberus 04-23-2010 12:49 AM

It basically does what the label says it will do. It's not a major change, but enough of one to justify using it. Overall, I'm pretty damn happy with it so far. I've only been on it three days, so if I notice any negative effects I'll edit this post.

racingmind 09-30-2010 04:47 AM

Been on it for a day, definitely notice a difference in anxiety and mood. I don't get stuck on negative thoughts. I took 250 mg of NOW brand. the only problem is that I'm awake and its 4am and i took it early in the morning.

Edwin 09-30-2010 04:50 AM

Don't expect to get the real results until weeks of continuous use.

gordonjohnson008 09-30-2010 02:35 PM

So does it create a calming effect? It sounds like it's stimulating... I don't know how that is supposed to help with anxiety.

I bought some 175mg pills that I plan on taking 3 of per day. There don't seem to be standardized dosing recommendations, but some sites say as high as 600mg of 3% standardized rosavins is the top of the recommended dosing range.

Anyone know if it makes a difference whether I take all 3 pills at once or if I spread them out?

robtyl 09-30-2010 09:07 PM

Aha well I read some other threads on Rhodiola Rosea and there seems to be a bit of positive feedback, so I thought I'd take the plunge and try some! I also recall reading about it on another website about stress/anxiety supplements, so go figure.

I bought tablets from a company called Bioglan ('GinSynergy plus Rhodiola')

It says each tablet contains Rhodiola, Korean Ginseng, Siberian Ginseng and Withania.

The Rhodiola Rosea component is labelled as follows:

Rhodiola rosea (Arctic Root)
dry ext. conc. equiv dry root 740mg
standardised to 3.7mg salidroside (2%)
standardised to 7.4mg phenylpropanoid glycosides
calc as rosavin, rosarin and rosin (4%)

Directions say to take 2 tablets a day.


Popped two tabs just now (1:30PM) - will post back over the next few days with my progress.

racingmind 10-01-2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edwin (Post 1579497)
Don't expect to get the real results until weeks of continuous use.

in terms of what? I'm already getting results. Its mild and calming but nothing dramatic.

what kind of mg should i be taking?

robtyl 10-01-2010 02:47 AM

Well after taking my first dose, I can say that I've never felt so tired in my life.

Over the last 6 hours, I've probably slept for around 4 of those - I just couldn't keep my eyes open. :/


I'll try take some tomorrow morning and see how I go...

Edwin 10-01-2010 03:03 AM

Robtyl, this is an excellent and temporary side-effect. I've ALWAYS been tired for days when raising my dopamine levels, and it might have something to do with my ADHD. Suffices to say that whenever something makes me tired initially (like Rhodiola did), the better the results will be in the long run.

The tiredness is probably something akin to low blood-sugar levels (mainly mental fatigue). It takes days for your metabolism to adjust to changes in brain activity Rhodiola Rosea can induce. Keep it up! Seriously, if you're like me, you want this side-effect to happen, although it's severely debilitating at first.

robtyl 10-01-2010 03:46 AM

Thanks for the reply Edwin! I was a bit concerned, since I read Rhodiola is stimulating at low doses and sedating at high doses. I thought maybe I took too much, despite the package advising to take two tablets!

I also read the abstracts of a few medical studies that found Rhodiola to have an effect akin to MAOIs, hope it doesn't wreak havoc with my low dose of Lexapro. Oh well, I'll give it a shot anyway.

Good to know this is a good side effect! :D Hopefully I'll get more energy levels soon; the lethargy from the Lexapro is ruining my ability to study! Exams are just around the corner, eep!

Edwin 10-01-2010 04:26 AM

I combine it with low dose Fluoxetine, which is more stimulating at lower doses. Lexapro doesn't have this property and if you're feeling lethargic now, I doubt Rhodiola will correct this much in the long-term. Consider lowering your dose; Rhodiola will help with serotonin also, so you won't need as much.

Belshazzar 10-01-2010 04:31 PM

I've tried it before and it did seem to have a slight stimulating effect. The problem is, like a lot of herbal and other supplements, it's not regulated as a drug by the FDA. So you're not always getting a standardized product. The bottle I got from GNC said "GNC Herbal Plus Standardized" on it, though. I don't know how rigorous their standardization is, so I don't know if that really means anything.

racingmind 10-02-2010 11:01 AM

so far it works pretty well. normally when I'm ****ed up from alcohol I wouldn't have the balls to approach ppl still and this has really lifted my mood. I talked to everyone at a party last night. Day 4 so far.

I think this works well for mild depression, and depression can be as hindering if not more, than anxiety.

Colli 10-02-2010 02:55 PM

After reading about the benefits of Rhodiola, I took it for a couple of weeks several months ago. It did absolutely nothing for me - while many reported a feeling of mild stimulation and/or wellbeing, I felt no effects whatsoever. However, I have come to realise that some brands are much better than others and I may have been using a substandard one (it was certainly cheap, anyway). I probably didn't take it long enough for it to be effective either. As a result of this thread, I think I'll try it again ... except this time I'll go with a more reputable brand and take it for a longer period of time.

fallingdownonmyface 10-02-2010 05:37 PM

been using it on and off and do notice an increased alertness similar to coffee without the jitters when i study.

centrino 10-02-2010 09:51 PM

Which brand do you guys recommend? I was thinking on ordering from amazon, but can't decide the brand. Please help, money is not an issue.

Edwin 10-03-2010 02:02 AM

I have Jarrow Formulas (500mg), and I can attest that it works.

Rbk 10-06-2010 01:32 PM

200mg pills, 3% of rosawin. Is it a good product?

robtyl 10-14-2010 12:17 AM

3 DAY PROGRESS REPORT:

So I've been popping two of these bad boys (740MG; 2% salidrosides; 4% rosavins) each morning for three days now, and I feel GOOD.

BTW, I'm on 50MG Pristiq and have been getting quite tired during the day. I still get tired, but when I'm awake, I feel wired, in a non-euphoric way!

This stuff is great!

Then again, I've been drinking a can of Mother on the same days... but who knows. Placebo could be at play here too.

Will post back with further progress! Thought it might be nice to provide a brief update though.


x

dlange 11-05-2010 09:02 AM

eh
 
I believe this herb only targets people with specific body chemistry. The reason being everyone seems to have different reactions. Some feel more active and happy, some get tired, and some get no results whatsoever. Me being the last one. I took 300 mg new chapter rhodiola for a week, felt nothing, so I upped it to 600mg for the next week. still nothing. I bought another bottle, tried 900 mg till that ran out, not the slightest effect. So while this herb didn't do anything for me, I still do believe that everyone should still give it a try for a few weeks atleast. Many people claim spectacular results, and it has been proven as an adaptogen, in that it improves the bodies response to stress. Maybe my mistake was that I didn't try different brands, or forms of ingestion. My brand was in capsule form, but Ive seen it in liquid extract also. Whichever form is the better one is something I've seen debated but never resolved.

jijiji 03-16-2011 12:40 PM

yaaaa
 
THIS HAS HELPED ME SO MUCH. it just makes things so much easier. it reduces the anxiety level down to where it is under your control. it no longer takes over me, i can take the reigns now and do things to lessen it when i need to.

also increased motivation. before........ i literally did not want to do homework at all. my grades have fallen to F's because i'm unable to do it, but i've taken this for like a week, and now i actually feel like i want to do homework. haven't ACTUALLY gotten to it yet, but this is a huge change for me

it's like.... it makes things so much easier. before getting through each day was a huge struggle. i would have frequent break downs and suicidal thoughts after a day of sweating, not being able to breathe, unable to function, think, speak. but now... it is not a daily struggle anymore. it is still hard..... but it is SO much easier.

damn.

and you're supposed to cycle it. take two a day for three days, and then take a break for the rest of the week, then repeat. this is how it works

sleepytime 03-16-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jijiji (Post 1058877571)
THIS HAS HELPED ME SO MUCH. it just makes things so much easier. it reduces the anxiety level down to where it is under your control. it no longer takes over me, i can take the reigns now and do things to lessen it when i need to.

also increased motivation. before........ i literally did not want to do homework at all. my grades have fallen to F's because i'm unable to do it, but i've taken this for like a week, and now i actually feel like i want to do homework. haven't ACTUALLY gotten to it yet, but this is a huge change for me

it's like.... it makes things so much easier. before getting through each day was a huge struggle. i would have frequent break downs and suicidal thoughts after a day of sweating, not being able to breathe, unable to function, think, speak. but now... it is not a daily struggle anymore. it is still hard..... but it is SO much easier.

damn.

and you're supposed to cycle it. take two a day for three days, and then take a break for the rest of the week, then repeat. this is how it works

Great that you found something that works for you. Which brand are you using? I want to give this a go.

gordonjohnson008 03-27-2011 06:32 PM

I'm using Rhodiola Rosea with some success so far. I'm using Oregon Wild Harvest brand in capsule form 1x a day (this is the recommended dose). I tried a different formulation in tablet form and got NOTHING out of it. But with the Oregon Wild Harvest capsules I notice subtle effects almost immediately and the effects build after I've been on it a few days.

Side effects - similar to those I've gotten from SSRIs, but milder. Mild gas and seemingly easier to get heartburn, mild insomnia, mild urinary hesitancy, mild daytime fatigue (could be because of interrupted sleep), mild dry eyes/lips. These side effects I also get with an SSRI like Paxil, and are more severe with the SSRI. No noticeable sexual side effects from R.R. at this dose. A cup or two of green tea a day wipe out the fatigue issue, and over time the insomnia has eased. The other sides may subside over time - I've been taking R.R. inconsistently for the past few months, but now plan to stay on this small dosage consistently for the next few months.

R.R. is a mild MAO inhibitor, and I've noticed it improving my mood, affecting my energy, and thwarting panic responses. I'm taking it because I don't want to be reliant on perscription medication, but do want a little boost to deal with persistant mild SA (and the gloomy Seattle Winter). I'll report back eventually...

There are other adaptogens/natural MAOIs I'm also interested in but haven't tried. Among these are ashwandaga, curcumin, etc... I have also taken Valerian root PRN before social situations - it feels like taking a benzo.

upndownboi 04-03-2011 09:46 AM

I went to the shop and had to ask the lady where it was, I asked her if it was any good and she said it got stolen a lot lol

centenarian 05-18-2011 07:06 AM

I was taking Rhodiola Rosea for 6 weeks like other herbs I described in other forums. I never go with capsules or pills, I always go with the raw material to have a full spectrum effect of real herb: it's cheaper, it lasts longer, you know what you are taking, you take a whole unmodified by chemicals or temperature herb. Long story short: 1/2 tsp every other day would my next plan for a 3-6 months chronic ingestion. Previosly I took it 1/2 tsp x3/day, then 1tsp x2/day. What I found: increased concentration, a flow of ideas (hyperexcitability), great mood (euphoria?), big difficulty falling asleep, shorter sleep duration and when waking up feeling like I had enough sleep, decreased in fatigue, increase in stamina (exercises), increased goal orientation. Conclusion: definitely NOT a calming herb!!! Takes 2-3 weeks to see effect building up. I encourage you try whatever you use caps/powder -up the dosage and have a diary. It's one of my favorites. Not taking it now - have plans to try other herbs.

David R 06-17-2011 10:15 AM

To me it seems to work like ginseng or other adaptogens in that if you take it consistently you do seem to feel "healthier" or a bit "better" stronger etc. if that makes sense. But it doesn't work like an anxiety drug and the anti-anxiety effect is relatively mild for me. That said, I do like feeling better from it. You HAVE TO TAKE A STANDARDIZED EXTRACT so you know you're actually getting the active ingredients.

Same goes for EVERY herb. Just look for "Standardized Extract" on the Supplement Facts panel and compare brands by amount and %. For instance 50mg of an herb standardized at 4% is the same as 100mg standardized at 2%. You're getting the same amount of active ingredient either way so in this situation choose the one that's the best price.

While for me the anti-anxiety effect from rhodiola is mild, if you work out, rhodiola is awesome for endurance. (lots of studies on it) I take it everytime before I run or bike a many people in my training group do too. And exercising always makes me feel better. So if anything taking rhodiola to feel healtheir and stronger so you work out more may be reason enough to take it.

centenarian 08-14-2011 08:14 AM

Standardization BS.
 
You don't have to take 'standardized' extract of 'every' herb. If you have plenty of money, throw it all away for being in the standardization industry, if you use brains like i do, you will use real herbs like me and like millions of people who used and continue using Traditional Chinese Medicine. By adapting your own dosage to your needs, you will reap greater benefits and it will be lighter on your pocket. If anyone has plenty of money and not enough gray matter send me cash and I will standardize for you 3% of rosavins per 100 grams: do the math. "Think for yourself!" is my motto!

jakejohnson007 08-24-2011 02:16 AM

Standardization Matters
 
Standardization matters a lot to me. If I am going to be taking anything daily for a long period of time, even a multivitamin, I want quality control on it. With something like Rhodiola Rosea, if I do decide to take it indefinitely, I want to use a brand that puts a standard amount of active ingredients in each pill and in each bottle. I want a brand that will be around for awhile. And if the brand ceases, with a standardized extract you should be able to switch brands with minimal adjustment. So far I've tried some crap RR tablets, but have found Oregon's Wild Harvest RR to be of high quality.

jimbo1 10-06-2011 01:40 PM

the pinnacle rhodax worked wonders for me, unfortunately everywhere i look its out of stock. seems to be discontinued. sucks.

The Professor 10-06-2011 03:08 PM

I take newchapter it has almost double the rosavins than other brands. For the first time I decided to take 2 today (so 600mg total and 10.8% rosavins). Supposedly it is stimulating at lower doses and sedating at higher doses (around 1500 mgs) so I think people with SA should work up to higher doses, I haven't done much research yet though.

TMI 11-18-2011 01:18 PM

I became interested in rhodiola after I saw it in a magazine. They called in an 'adaptogen', perhaps because it helps people cope with stress both physical and emotional. I've heard it recommended to people starting a new fitness training program, and the Russians have been studying and using it for years. (It apparently gained some notoriety when the KGB made frequent use of it.)

I've been taking it for almost a week, and i find myself not quite as bothered about what other people are thinking and doing. I feel more flexible in my thinking. I find that mixing it with coffee, though, is not a good idea. major jitters. and I haven't been sleeping as well, but I find I don't mind. I feel more productive.

Thanks for the range of oppinions posted here. I'll continue to think on this.

Don Gio 12-15-2011 05:51 AM

To me it acts like a stimulant.
You have to be active when you use it.
I got some of the worst panic attacks on them and they do nothing
for anxiety,if fact they made it worse

robotaffliction 12-23-2011 09:54 AM

I take between 1050mg-1400mg a day of the Vitacost (NSI) brand rhodiola rosea extract (3% rosavins 1% salidroside) along with 20mg fluoxetine every other day (10mg daily)... closest thing to something like Nardil without the bad side effects or having to convince a pdoc to keep prescribing Nardil (not so easy, especially in the US).. no problems other than some insomnia. works for me! I take it every day, there might be some virtue in cycling the RR extract but I think it should be taken daily for a month or so to see full benefits

Cassabell 12-23-2011 03:56 PM

i know you guys have mentioned about taking it with anti-depresseants a bit in these posts. just wondering if any of you have an idea whether its dangerous to mix this with anti-d's? i'm on Citalopram, been on it for four years, but i really want to try this stuff as well as stay on the citalopram.

KimxAllan 01-17-2012 11:40 PM

Rhodiola Rosea
 
Hey guys, so I just bought this product, from an Australian pharmacy it's called Chill Pill by Cenovis. It contains 400mg of rhodiola rosea and 500mg of humulus lupulus or (hops).

I took 1 at about 3pm in the afternoon and another at 4 with food, I am soo tired. I was just wondering is this normal at all? It's suppost to give energy and mental health wellbeing etc. I think I actually felt worse, I felt quite sad? I was out when I took it and it still didn't do much for my anxiety or am I just impatient? lol.

Also how long does it normally take for the effects to kick in?

Edwin 01-26-2012 07:25 AM

KimxAllen: I think 400 mg might be quite a large dose to start with. Rhodiola Rosea (in my case at least) takes some adjusting to, and the higher the initial dose, the longer I have to wait before I find it tolerable. In fact, starting up Rhodiola Rosea on high doses is almost unbearable for me nowadays (since I've seen some improvement regarding many of my symptoms).

If you're getting tired it's probably overstimulating. Try 200mg or 100mg, and work your way up when you got used to the dose. Expect it to take a few weeks.

timtron 08-06-2012 03:58 AM

Made me more nervous and jittery. I read it increases dopamine levels. My dopamine must be skyhigh then.

mastercowboy 09-11-2012 03:50 AM

This is one of supplements i would like to give it a try one more time,but different brand.I tried Jarrow by the way.As far as i remember it was like mild coffee.It made me keep working without boring but this didn't last long.Only some slight motivation.Maybe for some days in the begining.That's all!

marshal 09-17-2012 12:07 PM

Rhodiola Rosea and interactions
 
Hi,

Does anybody know if this will interfere with Xanax xr? I am looking at an alternative to the Xanax as it doesn't work in our case. In fact, we haven't yet found an allopathic medication that works at all. Until we can wean off of the xanax, I might give this a try. In reading these forums, it seems the consensus is to try the Gaia herb brand which I guess is a liquid in a pill. I would imagine that you could open up the capsule and mix it in a drink. Any thoughts anyone.

Thanks

SomniferumPapi 12-07-2012 11:56 AM

The one I take comes in a herbal pill and it has some other herbs and fruit extract ****. I doubt it does anything except maybe aid digestion. BUT it also has 60mg caffeine in the pill so Im pretty sure that has an impact on its absorption and onset etc. I like rhodiola its great. It doesnt "cure" anything but it gives you just enough mental and physical stregth to tackle your problems head on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by upndownboi (Post 1058914170)
I went to the shop and had to ask the lady where it was, I asked her if it was any good and she said it got stolen a lot lol

haha thats a good sign, were they expensive?

Quote:

Originally Posted by centenarian (Post 1059221977)
You don't have to take 'standardized' extract of 'every' herb. If you have plenty of money, throw it all away for being in the standardization industry, if you use brains like i do, you will use real herbs like me and like millions of people who used and continue using Traditional Chinese Medicine. By adapting your own dosage to your needs, you will reap greater benefits and it will be lighter on your pocket. If anyone has plenty of money and not enough gray matter send me cash and I will standardize for you 3% of rosavins per 100 grams: do the math. "Think for yourself!" is my motto!

I agree, Its ALWAYS better to get it fresh. Not all extracts are crap but most of them are. That goes for all the other herbs too. Like stuff at cvs is always ****ty LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakejohnson007 (Post 1059247539)
Standardization matters a lot to me. If I am going to be taking anything daily for a long period of time, even a multivitamin, I want quality control on it. With something like Rhodiola Rosea, if I do decide to take it indefinitely, I want to use a brand that puts a standard amount of active ingredients in each pill and in each bottle. I want a brand that will be around for awhile. And if the brand ceases, with a standardized extract you should be able to switch brands with minimal adjustment. So far I've tried some crap RR tablets, but have found Oregon's Wild Harvest RR to be of high quality.

Yea, thats the thing with "standardized extracts". You got to find the good brands because alot of herbs that come in "standardized extract" capsules are crap. Valerian root is a good example of it and so is kava that they sell in crappy capsules in the stores like CVS.
Most of the ones claiming its standardized, are just bull****


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