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I am a recovering Phenylethylamine (PEA) addict...anyone else out there?!


I literally am a recoverying PEA addict. I combined it with deprenyl, a MAOI-B inhibitor (Monoamine Oxidase-B degrades certain amines, one of which is PEA. It renders it essentially useless, inactive, and without effect when PEA is ingested). Early on during my first bout of addiction, it provided an intense euphoric high and made researching (and almost anything) more interesting and pleasurable. Even with deprenyl, though, the high would last only 1-2 hours and you would have to continue to dose and often still go through crashes of anxiety, rage, and depression. It was a viscous cycle.I did have a prescription for klonopin (1.5-2mgs per day) which offset some of the rebound rage/anxiety/depression. I entered grad school in january 2007 and would only function if I had the PEA.Because of my addiction, I lasted only 1 semester in My Medicinal Pharmacology and Physiology grad program at Mizzou and was strongly encouraged to move back home. I overcame it in late 2007, then relapsed from march 09 through september. My family had an intervention and I went to AA(which can be used successfully for other drugs besides alcohol). After starting AA, Ive been "sober" from it.

I literally know of NO ONE who has ever had this addiction - so its frustrating. Its legal, cheap, and when successfully combined with an MAOI-B inhibitor - potent. Yet I got to a point where (in 09) I would stay up for 2 days at a time high on it and get nothing done but stare at tvs, webpages, or books. My addiction led to my firing at my job. Being without it was horrendous - no motivation to do anything and no pleasure derived from any activity especially relative to the heightened interest PEA offered for practically any activity.

PEA levels are typically low in those with depression. Being a research nut and with a Pre-Pharmacology degree, I concocted this combo to hopefully alleviate some depression and further help with focus, interest, and in deriving pleasure from everyday activities.

The second addiction period (starting in march 09) was not nearly as euphoric but just as addictive. I HAD to have it. I isolated myself even more into my room or my a computer for hours upon hours. I wouldn't eat for two days b/c food interferes with PEA absorption and you would lose the high until your stomach emptied. I would be up for 48 hours, then sleep for 36. Then wait outside and chase the UPS guy down waiting for my next order (which I always tried to pay the extra fee for overnight shipping). It was nuts. I was nuts. When I ran out, my functioning (though completely irrational functioning at that) ran out too.


Perhaps someone else has struggled with PEA as well.
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Well it's a cheap / legal substitute for cocaine lol.

Never heard of this before.

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Freesix88: Much appreciated link. Interesting that they combined it with GHB. Sweet jesus thank the lord I never had access to that or I'd have been staring at my tv for the last 256 days straight I bet...

PEA/selegeline combo reports/reviews are not uncommon and most do get the euphoria and high (and usually the crash too). I've had just not run across someone who had an undeniable absolute addiction problem with it that I had (and will always have).
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I've experienced the PEA high myself and know that it could be addictive. It wasn't all that addictive in my case because it sent my heart racing even more than Ritalin. Amphetamine is actually PEA with only a minor addition to the chemical structure.

PEA:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...etyloamina.svg

Amphetamine:

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PEA is ****, i dont even wonna try it, a stim that only works for 30 minutes there's no point.

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it is **** i took 4 of them to see what it was all about and all i got was sweaty increased heart rate and BP spike. basically like a panic attack. not what i consider "euphoric". Never combined it with selegeline because i figured it just amplified the PEA which sounded like a nightmare.

PEA may have a place in severely depressed people but i'd rather smoke a bowl of salvia to snap out of something like that.
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Yeah PEA solo is **** and without effect. But WITH 5 to 10 mgs of selegeline taken daily, I was able to basically stay high throughout the duration of my waking hours. This was especially during my first run in 06-07 when I did was taking klonopin and zoloft. I only needed 500 mgs to last 90-120 minutes. Repeat dosing. Also, selegeline's absorption is increased by I don't know how many -fold when taken with food. THis was tricky as I had to have a pretty empty stomach (at least 90 minutes and up to two hours post-prandial state with a normal sized meal) for PEA to have effect. I would simply eat 2/3rd of a protein bar and be good to go.

I would sit in the Mizzou Medical Library during grad school for 10 hours straight just immersed in Lipid Biochemistry textbooks and researching journals in depth. I absolutely loved the feeling of being so intimately and innately interested and mentally invested in information.

Anhedonia was a term I was unfamiliar with until I just joined these boards last week. I've struggled with this relative to hobbies and interests that I am naturally inclined to both engage in garner legitimate enjoyment and pleasure from (researching and bodybuilding are the main two for me). PEA certainly exacerbated the anhedonia for me as my drive for physiology and biochemistry research has been markedly blunted by my prolonged and excessive PEA abuse.
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I literally am a recoverying PEA addict. I combined it with deprenyl, a MAOI-B inhibitor (Monoamine Oxidase-B degrades certain amines, one of which is PEA. It renders it essentially useless, inactive, and without effect when PEA is ingested). Early on during my first bout of addiction, it provided an intense euphoric high and made researching (and almost anything) more interesting and pleasurable. Even with deprenyl, though, the high would last only 1-2 hours and you would have to continue to dose and often still go through crashes of anxiety, rage, and depression. It was a viscous cycle.I did have a prescription for klonopin (1.5-2mgs per day) which offset some of the rebound rage/anxiety/depression. I entered grad school in january 2007 and would only function if I had the PEA.Because of my addiction, I lasted only 1 semester in My Medicinal Pharmacology and Physiology grad program at Mizzou and was strongly encouraged to move back home. I overcame it in late 2007, then relapsed from march 09 through september. My family had an intervention and I went to AA(which can be used successfully for other drugs besides alcohol). After starting AA, Ive been "sober" from it.

I literally know of NO ONE who has ever had this addiction - so its frustrating. Its legal, cheap, and when successfully combined with an MAOI-B inhibitor - potent. Yet I got to a point where (in 09) I would stay up for 2 days at a time high on it and get nothing done but stare at tvs, webpages, or books. My addiction led to my firing at my job. Being without it was horrendous - no motivation to do anything and no pleasure derived from any activity especially relative to the heightened interest PEA offered for practically any activity.

PEA levels are typically low in those with depression. Being a research nut and with a Pre-Pharmacology degree, I concocted this combo to hopefully alleviate some depression and further help with focus, interest, and in deriving pleasure from everyday activities.

The second addiction period (starting in march 09) was not nearly as euphoric but just as addictive. I HAD to have it. I isolated myself even more into my room or my a computer for hours upon hours. I wouldn't eat for two days b/c food interferes with PEA absorption and you would lose the high until your stomach emptied. I would be up for 48 hours, then sleep for 36. Then wait outside and chase the UPS guy down waiting for my next order (which I always tried to pay the extra fee for overnight shipping). It was nuts. I was nuts. When I ran out, my functioning (though completely irrational functioning at that) ran out too.


Perhaps someone else has struggled with PEA as well.

May i ask how you are with Alcohol? have you had any addictive tendancies with drinking? smoking?

interesting.... I guess the cheap price is no deterrant.

Hope you are ok now though.

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I never got much out of PEA. Anaracitam on the other hand is pretty good, mixed with Piracetam, dimethylamylamine, and l-tyrosine.
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You are the closest case that I've seen on various forums. I was addicted from August 2009 until February 2010. I broke up with my GF who I've been with over 4 years. We are now back together that I cleaned up. Frequently I would stay up anywhere from 2 to 5 days. I was totally ****ed. I constantly hallucinated when I would not sleep more than 2 nights. I've done tons of amphetamines: MDMA, amphetamine/dextroamphetamine (speed) or both. I have never had meth by itself but had in xtc pills which contain all 3 amphetamines. I'done coke multiple times and I'm not a fan. What I'm trying to get at is that none of those drugs had defeated me. The phenylethylamine & deprenyl combo was by far the most euphoric. During the first week I discovered it, I had to call an ambulance for myself. I took about a 1.5g shot and thought my heart was going to give on me. I can go on writing pages about the 5 - 6 month I was addicted. I'm sure there are a good number addicted but don't realize it as the combo can legal be purchased and this addiction has never been heard of. The first person who I knew was addicted to it was me. I'm glad I found someone that had the same unheard of experience like me.
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Well it's a cheap / legal substitute for cocaine lol.

Never heard of this before.

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So PEA to cocaine is like Spice or JWH-(XXX) to cannabis?

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So PEA to cocaine is like Spice or JWH-(XXX) to cannabis?
No PEA to cocaine is like jenkem to MDMA.

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No PEA to cocaine is like jenkem to MDMA.
Lmao . I guess this is one to skip.
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Oh god, that sounds like ****. Does peas have any connection to like 2cs and stuff. That's what I thought phenethylamine was, a type of chemical structure for the type of various psychedelics. I didn't think it could be used as an actual drug when it's isolated by itself.

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PEA is the structure that DA, NE, ephedrine, 2Cs and amphetamines are based on.

Amphetamine is essentially just PEA with a methyl group on α, hence Alpha-Methylphenylethylamine.

2Cs are PEA with methoxy groups at 2,5 and in all but one case, a substitution at 4 (aka a para substitution because it's opposite the ethyl group). DOx compounds are amphetamine versions of 2Cs.

If you have a PEA based compound with a lone para substitution on the phenyl group, you'll end up with something either highly unpleasant or highly toxic.

PEAs with the classic 3,4-methylenedioxy are almost always entactogenic

Read PiHKAL if you're interested, there's literally endless permutations of PEAs. Most of them are horrible though. A handful of 2Cs/DOx, mescaline, amphetamine itself, 5-Methyl-MDA, MDMA/MDEA/MDA and maybe methylone if I was really desperate are the only ones I'd touch. The FLY compounds are the worst of the worst, especially Bromo-DragonFLY.

Plain old PEA itself is trash. Avoid. Pathetic half-life and barely active without an MAOI. If you want a good stimulant, just go for plain old amphetamine. Stay far away from all the obscure versions, they just don't sound that worth it from what I've read.
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You speaking from experience? Phenylethylamine combined with deprenyl/selegiline is extremely potent and effective. Take it from people who were actually addicted to the combo. Various amphetemines never had me close to being addicted; PEA/Selegiline did.
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Have you tried taking it on it's own? Hence "barely active without an MAOI". Also, even if you do take it with an MAOI, the duration is far too short for it to be of any worth.
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I am not sure what this PEA is, but it looks to have taken significant control over your life.
You had to quit grad school (I would like to go to grad school someday), lose jobs, lose livelihood, and forfeit your own happiness. That doesn't sound like an improvement to me.

A lot of the pressure we have (stress), we actually put on ourselves. Being a bit kinder to ourselves, and realizing that we are not perfect, is a good start. I would stay away from this PEA stuff and see a doctor if you need meds so it can be controlled.

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Have you tried taking it on it's own? Hence "barely active without an MAOI". Also, even if you do take it with an MAOI, the duration is far too short for it to be of any worth.
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Have you tried taking it on it's own? Hence "barely active without an MAOI". Also, even if you do take it with an MAOI, the duration is far too short for it to be of any worth.
Duration has nothing to do with a drug's worth. If you cook some coke and make it into crack, or mainline that ****, the duration is short but very powerful. Not suggesting anyone to do it, just saying.

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