Indeed, the use of psychedelics is about as old as human kind. Modern societies often look down upon "primitive cultures" and these practices. Apart from that being pretty damn arrogant, I believe it's a big mistake and a missed opportunity to learn some valuable lessons. We've more or less reduced these very potent substances to something to consume, to enjoy like a drink, while "primitive cultures" have a healthy respect for it's potency and treat it accordingly as far as I'm aware. I like that you mention the use of it in a controlled setting and the guidance by elders. That didn't come about for no reason, as i believe these people are not dumber than you and I. It is bloody powerfull stuff and from what I understand from science, the controlled setting is a crucial ingredient for it to be benefical for a person. It requires a certain humbleness, a healthy dose of respect for it's power. Something many of us aren't quite accustomed to. I do think psychedelics are mostly used to bring about a "hardcore trip" though, as this is often perceived as a doorway through which you meet the Gods or a substance enabling your spirit to travel to other dimensions. I don't see that, or a secular varient of it, happening with micro dosing. But it makes sense to start out with that or to even stick with that. The less you need, the better.
Please share your experience with us!
I'm sorry to hear you've been at this low. Has it happened to you often? How are things for you now? Is this the reason you resorted to psychedelics?
I've been dealing with suicidal tendencies of and on for twenty years now. I'm actually in it with one leg at the moment. In fact, the only thing I could come up with as a plausible answer to this condition during my second worst crises, just half a year ago, was psychedelic therapy. There is nothing else that I know of I can still believe in. Everything else has melted away as snow before the sun. It's all an illusion, just a bandaid on an open artery. I am not going to last as is. I'm afraid you know what I'm talking about. So I've promised myself I can't die before I've tried this. I'm aiming for actual treament, not self medication, but if it'll take too long and the despair is too high, I'll probably resort to alternative measures of bringing this about. I recently volunteered for a trial with ketamine at the univetrsity of Delft, but I didn't fit all their criteria.
It wouldn't be my first choice of therapy for anybody just starting out, but "barbaric"? Apart from stories about drug use gone horribly wrong (so not the therapy I'm referring to in this thread) I haven't come across anything remotely fitting that description thus far. On the contrary, in fact. Do you have some sources you think I and others interested in this form of therapy should have a look at?
Please keep us posted on your findings, will you? Grof seems to be the grandfather of this thing. I haven't looked into his approach a great deal, but I do remember his name popping up when I was doing research prior to my ibogaine "treatment" and even before that when I was into primal therapy. His talk
on psychedelic science 2017 didn't go down well with me though, because he started talking about past lives and such. No offence if that's your sort of thing, but it isn't credible for skeptics like myself. As great as his contribution and commitment to this field has been, I'm afraid the "esoteric" part isn't going to help pushing this forward and help it gain more interest and recognition from the scientific community at large. If his holotropic breathing technique (developed in a response to a complete cut of funding) can bring about similar states of mind I think it would be more elegant and the preffered way to go, but I doubt it's possible.
Would you like to share some more on your experiences? I'm all ear! Did you read A Really Good Day
? If yes, do you think it correctly portrays the effects of micro dosing? So far I haven't looked into micro dosing much, but I'd greatly appreciate it if you could point me to some sources where I could learn more about it.
Thank you for sharing some more. You are installing hope in me my friend!
Thank you! Would you care to elaborate on your expereince(s)?
Thanks for pitching in! How wonderful it has helped you to finally find closure from your last relationship. Which psychedelic helped you get to this point?
Psilocybine has popped up mostly on my radar as a drug for psychedelic treatment. I don't know the ins and outs, but I too got the impression it is somehow not as harsh as LSD, while not less potent.
I'm practically begging for my worldview to be questioned, even actively attemting to do so my self. But. I am me and I am limited by my own perception which I can't (profoundly) change by the power of my will. A great part of it has to do with childhood trauma and I'm convinced this is where I need to go during a trip. I'm also quite sure it's horrible beyond what I can bear and therefore potentially a catalyst for suicide. I'm reaching a point though, where I hardly have anything to lose. I think I haven't been more ready for this than I've ever been. It's not going to be me taking anything on my own, I can assure you that. It would be downright irresponsible. But If I have to resort to anything other than a session with professionals, it's good to know benzo's or alcohol can abate some of the anxiety. It can be too much at once, I imagine. The difficlulty with shrooms or anything else obtained from a questionable source is you never know the actual concentration of the active substance or if it's in there in the first place. It makes it quite hard get the correct dosage. And that's a big deal when it comes to these potent substances.
Thanks for the article! (I haven't read it yet).
Yes, the similarities are striking, aren't they? It becomes apparent the mind/the self is a prison when it becomes a source of perpetual suffering. It's horrible when no one is in charge there in that case, doesn't even exist there on a deeper level. That's how I often feel. It's nothing else than this brain producing this self and the suffering this self experiences. It seems deeply ingrained and virtually living it's own life. There's some great material
I found that sheds some light on the perpetual nature of depression and perhaps on "mental disorders" in general. It also explains why the effects of various psychedelics on the human brain are so similar. It would be interesting to compare it to the effects of certain "Bhuddist" practices.