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Marriage question cont.


Ok I transferred the replies I wanted to reply to about marriage in the Bible/Word since it was commented on that there should be a new thread to this rather than it being continued to be discussed in the 'Prayer request Thread' where it arose, even though I only had 1 more reply and question, but that's not the point.

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Most of the ancient commentators of the Bible interpreted it as meaning that Joseph was law abiding, and as such decided to divorce Mary in keeping with Mosaic Law when he found her pregnant by another. However, his righteousness was tempered by mercy and he thus kept the affair private. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_1:19

The answer you might be looking for is in the Mosaic Law.
I would say I agree that I would just stick with exactly what the Word says in Matthew 19:3-9, especially 7-9 which talked about Moses (Mosaic law).

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@Kevin001 In my opinion this thread should only be used for prayer requests. This discussion has turned into something big enough to have it's own thread entirely. I wish more people would post their prayers in writing, as a way to verify if to all that they are actually doing what they say they are doing. I'm not saying that we should do it all the time, but I think more often then we are...

I listened to the Video. This whole marriage thing isn't something I've given a lot of thought too. In my brain it was simple. Don't have sex before marriage. And Divorce only applied to two people who were married. The only reason for divorce was marital unfaithfulness. The old Testament verses New Testament is confusing too me. The old covenant versus the new covenant is just as confusing. In order for me to avoid the confusion I look at the old Testament like that of a history book that happens to teach me how God worked in the old days and in some cases what happens if I live wrong. The New Testament - Jesus Christ is the one I socialize myself with when I call myself a Christian. When it comes to applying the scriptures to my life, I lean on the New Testament. What Jesus And Paul says about Marriage is what I follow. Remarriage after Divorce sounds like a sin in the Bible. It seems to me that there are a lot of unrepentant Christians going to hell. I've listened to so many different Bible teachings and opinions over the years, that I got to say I don't think there is anyway to fix my confusion. The main thing I'm concerned about is my own salvation. All that other stuff is secondary.
Where does it say or sound like in the bible that re-marriage is a sin after a proper divorce? Thank you
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Where does it say or sound like in the bible that re-marriage is a sin after a proper divorce? Thank you
I'm not very good at this sort of thing.

These are the only ones I can remember.

Matthew 5:32 New International Version (NIV)
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mark 10:11 New International Version (NIV)

11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Mark 10:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Luke 16:18 New International Version (NIV)

18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
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Matthew 5:32 New International Version (NIV)
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.[B]
The point people argue about here is the "sexual immorality". Those who say divorce is okay if one's spouse has been unfaithful vs those who say the word here is pornia and should be translated as fornication in this instance and therefore Jesus is referring to fraud before marriage as the only reason a divorce would be acceptable. Really it would be more like an annulment. This is how the King James translates the verse...

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But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Many other translations also translate it this way. A different greek word,moichos, is used for adultery in the verse.
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@ sprinter Maybe it's fornication or maybe it's adultery. I really don't care about which one it is. The Bible states that people who commit either one will go to hell. That's good enough for me! It seems to be saying that if you marry a divorced person then there is a sin of adultery or fornication happening.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.



Some people think that all you got to do is "repent" translation, "just tell God your sorry" and all is well. Some other people say you must go back to your original mate.


Most likely I'll never meet the "right woman" to marry, so therefor I'll probably never need to worry about this stuff.
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No you won't go to hell for remarrying. Oh my goodness. Be careful with what you read because lately the legalism in the spiritual forum is running rampant.
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To each their own guys but I would rather not take the chance of going to hell for unrepentant sin and living in adultery . So as far as my biblical knowledge goes I don't believe in divorce but if you have divorced you should reconcile with original spouse or remain single unless that original spouse is dead of course.

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It seems like a very divisive issue among Christians going back many generations? I think Christ and Paul were strong with their words about divorcing. But apparently what to do about abuse was not mentioned, other than instructions on not being abusive in the first place. The Word says not to associate with Christians who are abusers with their words or physically. I think if you are separated for long enough it is basically a divorce, including if you no longer talk or live with a spouse.
There are different responses in regards to affairs and abuse, whether or not you can divorce and remarry. I can't offer any clarity, but I believe the message was that if you treat your spouse right that divorce shouldn't need be considered. A true Christian wouldn't cheat on their spouse while married, so in my humble opinion I don't think you should be required to stay with someone when they break their Christian vows.

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A true Christian wouldn't cheat on their spouse while married, so in my humble opinion I don't think you should be required to stay with someone when they break their Christian vows.
What about a believer married to an non christian? 1 Peter 3:1 talks about how a wife can win her unbelieving husband over to the Lord without a word. Not saying she should be abused but just because one spouse isn't living how they are supposed to doesn't give the other the right to divorce or not play their role.

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What about a believer married to an non christian? 1 Peter 3:1 talks about how a wife can win her unbelieving husband over to the Lord without a word. Not saying she should be abused but just because one spouse isn't living how they are supposed to doesn't give the other the right to divorce or not play their role.

Well that I am not so familiar with, about believers marrying non believers. What I meant about living with an ungodly person wasn't that a Christian should divorce their non believing spouse simply for their non belief. But specifically for adultery, abuse, murder... the sort of behavior that would lead a Christian to be in danger physically or spiritually. But it does sound clear though here:

1 Corinthians 7:12-14: “…If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband…”

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15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

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I'm not very good at this sort of thing.

These are the only ones I can remember.

Matthew 5:32 New International Version (NIV)
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mark 10:11 New International Version (NIV)

11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Mark 10:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Luke 16:18 New International Version (NIV)

18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Thank you and you are very good at this sort of thing. it's very clear in Matthew 5:32! omg, that's so sad that if a woman is married to an unfaithful man then she can't re-marry and have children if she wants it. "it is better not to marry then" is a verse all Christians should be familiar with then!

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@ sprinter Maybe it's fornication or maybe it's adultery. I really don't care about which one it is. The Bible states that people who commit either one will go to hell. That's good enough for me! It seems to be saying that if you marry a divorced person then there is a sin of adultery or fornication happening.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.



Some people think that all you got to do is "repent" translation, "just tell God your sorry" and all is well. Some other people say you must go back to your original mate.


Most likely I'll never meet the "right woman" to marry, so therefor I'll probably never need to worry about this stuff.
by the way, what does covetous, reviler and extortioner mean? Thank you!
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there is a lot of bad theology here that can lead to legalism.

please read this for a better understanding of the scriptures:

https://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html
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Thank you and you are very good at this sort of thing. it's very clear in Matthew 5:32! omg, that's so sad that if a woman is married to an unfaithful man then she can't re-marry and have children if she wants it. "it is better not to marry then" is a verse all Christians should be familiar with then!
That is kind of you to say. I think it's ok to come on here and ask questions. But you also need to be willing to do your own research. A guy like me is going to miss stuff. There are Christian writers, bloggers, vloggers, and Pastors that dig a lot deeper then I could ever do! For example I can not do anything with Hebrew or Greek. Nor do I understand the history behind many of things in the Bible. I know those things are important when your studying.
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I was feeling unmotivated with my medication so I didn't look up those words I_Exist quoted in Scripture, but now I did and I just don't know what reviler means. Could anyone tell me quickly since it's just 1 question. Thank you! Or perhaps I should've PM'd Kevin001.
I have no suggestion for your medication issues. But there is only one way to get answers to deep questions. You got to apply yourself to study. That means reading articles, listening to podcasts, and sermons. Even then some deep things in scriptures are so hard to understand that you might not ever get to the bottom of it. That is why I only take things on that I are necessary to the place I'm at. Get me a girl friend, marry me too her, and convince her to divorce me, fine me another girl friend, and then I'll be ready to discuss "remarriage". AND you better do if fast because I'm 40 years old and not getting any younger!
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I looked it up in another way, covet, rivile and extortion so I understand now.
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