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Can you be Christian and believe in the Big Bang or evolution?


What do you think, does the Big Bang or evolution fit in with bible?

I believe that we are made of stardust and evolved into what we are today. My personal belief is I think that God set the laws of physics, universal constants, he created the universe and that we evolved with His hands. Also I support the belief that we are made in God's image. Just not that it was an immediate appearance. That eventually over billions of years humans were formed into God's image.

But someone who takes the bible are literally as possible would believe that this is false. God created the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Earth was formed before the sun and stars. Adam was formed before Eve. Christ spoke of the literal Genesis as said by the writers of the Gospel such as Mark.

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“From the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female’” (Mark 10:6, quoting Genesis 1:27)
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Billy Graham (1918-2018 )
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I don’t think that there’s any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we’ve tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren’t meant to say. I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. […] whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man’s relationship to God.[3]

C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)
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We must sharply distinguish between Evolution as a biological theorem and popular Evolutionism or Developmentalism which is certainly a Myth. […] To the biologist Evolution […] covers more of the facts than any other hypothesis at present on the market and is therefore to be accepted unless, or until, some new supposal can be shown to cover still more facts with even fewer assumptions.[4]

For long centuries God perfected the animal form which was to become the vehicle of humanity and the image of Himself. He gave it hands whose thumb could be applied to each of the fingers, and jaws and teeth and throat capable of articulation, and a brain sufficiently complex to execute all the material motions whereby rational thought is incarnated. The creature may have existed for ages in this state before it became man: it may even have been clever enough to make things which a modern archaeologist would accept as proof of its humanity. But it was only an animal because all its physical and psychical processes were directed to purely material and natural ends. Then, in the fullness of time, God caused to descend upon this organism, both on its psychology and physiology, a new kind of consciousness which could say “I” and “me,” which could look upon itself as an object, which knew God, which could make judgments of truth, beauty, and goodness, and which was so far above time that it could perceive time flowing past.[5]
https://biologos.org/articles/famous...ristian-faith/


Also can a person be saved by Christ if they believe in evolution or the Big Bang?

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I personally think the big bang is ridiculous. I take scripture seriously and the bible is clear on this. But appreciate your thoughts on the matter .

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I personally think the big bang is ridiculous. I take scripture seriously and the bible is clear on this. But appreciate your thoughts on the matter .

Fair enough, I wanted to hear people's opinions even if they differ from mine.

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I don't think what a person believes about the nature of creation is salvific, at least, but it's still important (just not the primary thing). If modern science says something that conflicts with one of the many Christian narratives out there, then the narrative is wrong or modern science is wrong, so what do we do if the narrative or interpretation we've been taught is seemingly irreconcilable? I think God is far more capable of consistency than we are, and that we're simply going to discover that we've been wrong about things again and again so we must be careful with the narratives we create. I base my faith primarily on a belief in the reality of God first, everything thing else like creation accounts I've had to constantly unlearn and relearn as a Christian. Maybe that makes me a not so good one? 😜

I think there are a few different theories of creationism that interpret the Genesis creation account differently like gap theory, day-age theory, and allegorical interpretations. Study those I'd say, and draw your own conclusion. I can say I can imagine God creating the world as something like a "Big Bang."

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I don't think what a person believes about the nature of creation is salvific, at least, but it's still important (just not the primary thing). If modern science says something that conflicts with one of the many Christian narratives out there, then the narrative is wrong or modern science is wrong, so what do we do if the narrative or interpretation we've been taught is seemingly irreconcilable? I think God is far more capable of consistency than we are, and that we're simply going to discover that we've been wrong about things again and again so we must be careful with the narratives we create. I base my faith primarily on a belief in the reality of God first, everything thing else like creation accounts I've had to constantly unlearn and relearn as a Christian. Maybe that makes me a not so good one? 😜

I think there are a few different theories of creationism that interpret the Genesis creation account differently like gap theory, day-age theory, and allegorical interpretations. Study those I'd say, and draw your own conclusion. I can say I can imagine God creating the world as something like a "Big Bang."

I'll check out the gap theory, day age theory and allegorical interpretations. I agree about putting God first, just that it's hard to unlearn what you've been taught from the beginning. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.

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The Big Bang theory was hypothesized by the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître,
and some of his critics argued it was just an attempt to prove his religious beliefs ("let there be light"), he basically saw religious and science as valid but separate ways of knowing truth though and was actually uncomfortable with the pope claiming his theory was proof for Christian teachings about creation. Also the Anglican priest Charles Kingsley was an early supporter of Darwin and had the motto "God makes things make themselves".
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Fair enough, I wanted to hear people's opinions even if they differ from mine.
No, it is clear in the bible/Word in Genesis 1:24-27 that He made the creatures, etc separate from us, no evolution involved from what I read.

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I personally think the big bang is ridiculous. I take scripture seriously and the bible is clear on this. But appreciate your thoughts on the matter .
I think so too (in the underlined), lol!
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@Musicfan , lookup Deism, it will spare you the headache. All the founding fathers and many great thinkers and scientists of the enlightenment believed in it. You know, that time when empiricism and rationalism merged and it was decided that logic and modernist philosophy should replace religious dogma... Oh and you're welcome

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The Big Bang theory was hypothesized by the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître,
and some of his critics argued it was just an attempt to prove his religious beliefs ("let there be light"), he basically saw religious and science as valid but separate ways of knowing truth though and was actually uncomfortable with the pope claiming his theory was proof for Christian teachings about creation. Also the Anglican priest Charles Kingsley was an early supporter of Darwin and had the motto "God makes things make themselves".
Was reading about Georges Lemaître earlier today, that is an interesting story. I haven't read about Charles Kingsley yet but I'll check him out.

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No, it is clear in the bible/Word in Genesis 1:24-27 that He made the creatures, etc separate from us, no evolution involved from what I read.


I think so too (in the underlined), lol!
Okay well then I guess I have a big choice to make

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@Musicfan , lookup Deism, it will spare you the headache. All the founding fathers and many great thinkers and scientists of the enlightenment believed in it. You know, that time when empiricism and rationalism merged and it was decided that logic and modernist philosophy should replace religious dogma... Oh and you're welcome

Thanks I'll will give it a look. That's one thing about being raised atheist without any teaching about religion is that you have to start somewhere and come to your own conclusion, with some guidance needed.

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Okay well then I guess I have a big choice to make
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The Big Bang theory was hypothesized by the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître,
and some of his critics argued it was just an attempt to prove his religious beliefs ("let there be light"), he basically saw religious and science as valid but separate ways of knowing truth though and was actually uncomfortable with the pope claiming his theory was proof for Christian teachings about creation.
Darn! You beat me to it.

I was brought up Catholic and went to Catholic school throughout my formative years. I suppose that you could say that the Catholic church is not as hung up on the old testament as other denominations. The nuns told us that the book of Genesis is to be interpreted as an allegory that contains spiritual truths ( such as original sin) but not as a historical or scientific account of events ( Universe created in 7 Days, two original progenitors, etc...).

Likewise, we never had a problem covering topics in biology class such as early hominids, evolution, etc... why? Because it doesn't contradict the spiritual teachings of Jesus. It is the same reason why most Christians don't follow Rabbinic law and are able to pork, combine wool and linen, etc... as such rules have no bearing on "salvation".

You also have to remember that the Bible is compilation of various books, that were directed at different audiences, in different times, served different purposes and were written in different literary styles.

E.g: the gospels (accounts of Jesus' life) read different from the epistles ( directed at various early churches) which in turn read different from Revelation (prophetic revelation).

Likewise in the old Testament, the book of Psalms (hymns and poems) reads different from the book of Daniel (account of his life and revelations) which in turn differs from Deuteronomy ( civil law and conduct).

Scripture is not to be interpreted in a continuous fashion within a vacuum without understanding the context and purpose of each book.

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What are your thoughts?

Right now I'm sad and disappointed because I felt that the bible was the right way. It did make an impact when I was reading the New Testament. But I don't know if I can ever get rid of my science beliefs. Just now that I'm stuck in the middle and that it might be that way forever that I never pick a side. Making up a theory isn't what people consider wise but I'm trying to somehow arrange things to fit. Some of the Popes have thought that science and religion can work together but then there seems to be a consensus with Christians that this is impossible.

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the big bang thing has never made much sense to me. I'm sure you can believe in both? because one does not support the other doesn't mean it necessarily denies it? and a Christian can just about believe anything they like. so...

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The bible says that the world was created about 6000 years ago.
According to science it's 14 billion years ago.
Huge discrepancy there.
Yeah but time doesn't exist to god so it's all relative.






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The god of the Bible's not the real god its only a front for the mafia of the universe... : /






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