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You need a job to get a job


So if you want to get a job, you need a job at the first place.

If you don't, people might give you a weird/disgusted look and then reject you...for the 1000th times.

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Ditch yourself and all sense of self-importance. You're going to get paid generously for doing a whole bunch of stupid stuff for very little production. Try not to fall asleep and forget that your an individual. You are not important to your employer and coworkers. You are completely disposable. Just do it and don't ask questions or fix anything. There's no such thing as a valuable worker. This is what people do.

My dad got caught up in some sort of idealistic Utopia in the later years of his employments and he lost a lot of jobs and couldn't find any. It was obviously time for him to retire. He got bored with stupid stuff and tried to make changes. Nobody wants that. That's interference of the worst sort.

The system works perfectly fine whether youre alive or not. You're nothing compared to everyone whose ever lived. Embrace your nothingness and go do nothing with your whole life. When you retire you can claim that you worked for 40 years. That's all you get. Just do it and don't ask questions. It'll pay your rent and buy you food and a car.

You won't have any friends. You won't have time for friends. You're not going to have a romantic relationship. Nobody deserves that. Hope you enjoyed the flinging of your childhood, cause it's over. You're pretty much dead. The only hope you have is to drive to the hills on the weekends after doing laundry and sorting your mail, and walking on a short little trail before the sun goes down. Thats all you get. That's all you deserve. That's all your worth.

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So if you want to get a job, you need a job at the first place.

If you don't, people might give you a weird/disgusted look and then reject you...for the 1000th times.

If you really wanted a job you would get any job. You hid in education for too long.
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It makes finding a new job easier, but I think there's some leeway depending on circumstances.

For example, if you had been working in the same field in meaningful roles and then left or were laid off for x, y, or z reason (e.g. relocated due to family, medical issues, took extended time off for a sabbatical) - Then I think this candidate has a way better shot than someone who is already employed, but their work history is irrelevant or unqualified.

As long as there's a good reason you left your last job, you have evidence of being a reliable and strong performer, and it hasn't been too long, it probably won't affect your chances too much.
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Plenty of entry level jobs just be eager to learn and ready to work. Grocery stores are hiring people off the street now some are paying well.

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Just apply for a temp agency it's jobs out there that really need people idk what type of education you got but if you just needed money the temp agency is the way to go. You can get jobs for 10-15 an hour and a lot of places will hire you on directly after 90 days.

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I think the "You need experience to get experience" is especially true in the context of careers that require a university degree. For example, I studied life science for my first degree, and after failing my med school interviews, I was applying to research jobs. But I was significantly outqualified by... well, basically anyone with more research experience than myself. After putting in like 10 job applications and not getting a single interview, I just got really depressed and gave up on the whole thing and worked a minimum wage job instead.

There goes my self esteem.
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It is a very real but very stupid conundrum...



Without turning this into a bipartisan political argument things have gotten pretty awful. So I can see why there is a lot of discontent among the American working class (I am sure that this situation is also true for all countries that are moving from an industrialized/manufacturing economy to a service based economy).

Companies used to value workers (human capital) and invest money and resources into training and educating their employees (teach them the ropes even if they are green). Built a loyal relationship with the employee which in turn would create a more productive employee.

Sadly, companies have outsourced that educational responsibility to Universities. These universities in turn, and in order to save money, have created theoretical and catch-them-all curriculum which is so generic that it has very little practicality in the "real world" , and ironically, to said companies. From a personal experience, I would say that I learned a lot more within 6 months of employment than I ever did in college.

Boomers had it so good...

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Most people don't want to hire a person like me. But also, I'd rather be dead than go back to working with the public.

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Most people don't want to hire a person like me. But also, I'd rather be dead than go back to working with the public.
Hey don't say that. You seem like quite a lovely person from reading your posts on this forum. It's just too bad that more people can't be accepting of trans individuals. :/
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Yep


Been there. It's annoying. I know I probably could've gotten a job a lot sooner than I did if it was part time but I knew I couldn't handle the stress for those very social-type jobs.

Ironically, my job now is very client-focused, so I didn't really avoid anything.... I just prolonged the inevitable.

It's annoying how you get judged for everything here. You need to have a job by a certain age, need to have had a relationship by a certain age, need to have opinions about mainstream affairs, need to not live with your parents, etc. The list goes on and on and I find myself not wanting to conform to what everyone in this country deems "normal" or "should be". It happens in every country differently.

IDC about politics. I'll never understand it and if it's anything to accept, it's that they all lie. There's probably some satisfaction in knowing the trick for when they lie and the implications of their lies, but I honestly don't care. My belief is that I don't hold true power in anything the government does. It's just an illusion.

I don't understand why I have to be a trivia-expert in things I don't see as significant or relevant in everyone's life. They're superficial.

I don't get why I have to have "fun" the same way everyone else does by doing something incredibly stupid. I agree everyone should get out of their comfort zone every once in a while—or at least once—but there a limits to what I consider fun and otherwise just plain asinine.

Incidentally, your opener reminded me of a Smiths song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjPhzgxe3L0

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Hey don't say that. You seem like quite a lovely person from reading your posts on this forum. It's just too bad that more people can't be accepting of trans individuals. :/
Thanks. Maybe someday it won't be such a big deal.

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Sadly (and strangely), this is true. You do need experience to gain experience. But the job search becomes much more productive once you get your foot in the door! Practice your interviewing skills and see if you can leverage your relevant coursework/internships. Think up a good reason of why you want x position at y company and highlight some of your attributes that demonstrate you can contribute to the company. Try to turn the tables when they target the lack of a work history. I used the “blank slate” response and said that I was a better candidate for the job because they could tailor me into the type of employee they require. I could be the guy that best suited their needs. I was persistent. It worked eventually!

Honestly, it’s a good sign if you’re at least getting interviews. I often wouldn’t even get a call back when I first started applying for jobs.

Good luck!
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A little bit of out of the box thinking and research goes a long way -- notably, learning what jobs are in demand (or will almost always be in demand) will help you a lot. Like Kevin001 said there are entry level jobs -- namely, apprenticeships are always willing to hire if you're willing to learn. I got a job as an electrical apprentice at the age of 25 -- it's not the best job in the world but at least it pays; and you get raises as you progress in school.
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It's all about connections these days. I kept showing up to interviews for fast food and retail, for jobs that people have kept saying are always hiring and that they'll hire anyone, but would still keep getting rejected. I didn't find anything until a friend put in a word for me at his store. Well, I did manage to find a job at Subway before that but it was a place with really shady management and that fired me on my second day because of not memorizing the whole menu yet.



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Finding your first job is tough. There are places that will give you a shot with entry level work. Just dont expect it to be a good job
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Right now is obviously not a good time but during a normal economy you just keep looking for a job until you find one. It might not be right away but it'll come.

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