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The Left Unity Thread


I've been on this forum for far too long, and have seen the same right wing faces staying around for the majority of that time, but slowly more and more left wingers came along.
So I think it's time to have a thread for the united front. Whether it's to point out worthwhile organizations, getting the news out about overlooked topics, or just to post an analysis of events we really need a thread for it.

Anyone further right than a social democrat this isn't the thread for you~
Anyone looking to justify authoritarianism this isn't a thread for you either.

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I'll start off by bringing up the Libertarian Socialist group Solidarity.
Formed in 1960, they were an organization that emphasized workers' self-organization, and were radically anti-Leninism. They regularly produced and reproduced pamphlets mostly of essays promoting this cause, somewhat similar to the French group "Socialism or Barbarism."

Today the vast majority of their pamphlets are available free online, and they'll always be a group I'm greatly fond of.
http://www.af-north.org/solidarity/solidarity.htm
https://libcom.org/library/solidarity-pamphlets

"During the past century the living standards of working people have improved. But neither these improved living standards, nor the nationalisation of the means of production, nor the coming to power of parties claiming to represent the working class have basically altered the status of the worker as worker....

Nor have they given the bulk of mankind much freedom outside of production. East and west, capitalism remains an inhuman type of society where the vast majority are bossed at work and manipulated in consumption and leisure. Propaganda and policemen, prisons and schools, traditional values and traditional morality all serve to reinforce the power of the few and to convince or coerce the many into acceptance of a brutal, degrading and irrational system. The ‘communist’ world is not communist and the ‘free’ world is not free....

A socialist society can therefore only be built from below. Decisions concerning production and work will be taken by workers' councils composed of elected and revocable delegates. Decisions in other areas will be taken on the basis of the widest possible discussion and consultation among the people as a whole. This democratisation of society down to its very roots is what we mean by ‘workers power'"

"have I not reason to hate and to despise myself? Indeed I do; and chiefly for not having hated and despised the world enough."
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"There have been times when only a hair's-breadth has intervened betwixt myself and the seething devil-ridden world of madness; for the hideous knowledge, the horror- blackened memories which I have carried so long, were never meant to be borne by the human intellect."
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Hell why not, after all, we've got nothing to lose but our chains.
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Malcolm X on the problematic nature of liberals, still relevant today, for sure liberals have been exploiting race for decades but the same idea applies to class as well.



Liberals often claim to be on the side of the working class but once it starts affecting their wallet or affecting their social capital then they'll always side with the capitalist class.
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Malcolm X was such a great speaker, I agree with him almost entirely after his Pilgrimage to Mecca and breaking with the NOI.

Here's him on "extremism", and how his unwaving commitment on believing in equality and justice for black people by any means necessary. Unfortunately it's far too relevant today especially the parts about law enforcement killing black people and the government refusing to deal with it.

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And while we're on the subject of great speakers, I've got to bring up Fred Hampton, one of the greatest people to promote revolutionary ideas to the people in the history of the US, such an influential speaker that the Chicago police along with the FBI assassinated him.

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I've been on this forum for far too long, and have seen the same right wing faces staying around for the majority of that time, but slowly more and more left wingers came along.
So I think it's time to have a thread for the united front. Whether it's to point out worthwhile organizations, getting the news out about overlooked topics, or just to post an analysis of events we really need a thread for it.

Anyone further right than a social democrat this isn't the thread for you~
Anyone looking to justify authoritarianism this isn't a thread for you either.
Though stop by every once in a while, a lot of people who feel that they're to the right of a social democrat (Bernie Sanders) will probably find that they're actually to the left of a social democrat, and people who are capitalists, might find out that they're not quite so much.
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Good thread. As for recommended readings, I'll be back later hopeful when I remember some good stuff, for now, have some random Chomsky:

Actually was reading this of his yesterday: https://chomsky.info/1988____-2/

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The Black Socialists of America is an awesome group, it started out as a twitter account a couple years ago but they've been expanding and they have a lot of potential, in fact Chomsky endorsed them last year. They don't exclude it to just black people of course.

https://blacksocialists.us/





They put a lot of focus on getting educated on Marxist thought as well as building a solid apparatus for dual power structures.

Their priorities:

https://blacksocialists.us/our-strategy

Their page about dual power structures as well as an interactive dual power map, which is far from comprehensive at this point:

https://blacksocialists.us/dual-power-map

Their twitter account is great because it makes leftist concepts really accessible and easy to grasp, they're not 'elitist' at all which is something that's unfortunately easy to come across on the left. They're one of the main reasons I became an anti-capitalist.

https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists
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I find I need 2 wings to fly, those left & right wings only are flapping like crazy but going nowhere.






And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death
Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow,
A poor player that strut's and fret's his hour upon the stage and is heard no more,
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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I find I need 2 wings to fly, those left & right wings only are flapping like crazy but going nowhere.
Though things are pretty dang uneven right now, especially here in the US, there's barely even a left wing, everything is on the right, and it's not a game of give and take it's a game of taking, power doesn't cede ground.
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So, is there an right wing thread?
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So, is there an right wing thread?
If you build it, they will come.
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The Black Socialists of America are pretty great, I've been following them on twitter for a pretty long time, and they're good people.

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Helen Keller the well known deaf-blind author, activist and lecturer was a committed socialist through her life.

Fighting for many causes such a labour rights, women's sufferage, socialism and against militarism she dedicated a tremendous amount of her time trying to make the world a better place.
She joined the Industrial Workers of the World, called for strikes against US involvement in World War 1, and demanded an end to the blockade of the newly formed Soviet Union.
The FBI monitored her activities and the 45 page long document on her has since been released publicly.

Her's an archive of some of her writings;
https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...elen/index.htm

"Oh, where is the swift vengeance of Jehovah, that it does not fall upon the hosts of those who are marshalling machine guns against hunger-stricken people? It is the complacency of madness to call such acts "preserving law and order." Law and order! What oceans of blood and tears are shed in their name! I have come to loathe traditions and institutions that take away the rights of the poor and protect the wicked against judgment.

The wise fools who sit in the high places of justice fail to see that, in revolutionary times like the present, vital issues are settled, not by statutes, decrees and authorities, but in spite of them. Like the Girondins of France, they imagine that force can check the onrush of revolution. Thus they sow the wind, and unto them shall be the harvest of the whirlwind.

You dear comrade! I have long loved you because you are an apostle of brotherhood and freedom. For years I have thought of you as a dauntless explorer going towards the dawn and, like a humble adventurer, I have followed in the trail of your footsteps. From time to time the greetings that have come back to me from you have made me very happy, and now I reach out my hand and clasp yours through prison bars.

With heartfelt greetings, and with a firm faith that the cause for which you are now martyred shall be all the stronger because of your sacrifice and devotion, I am,

Yours for the revolution--may it come swiftly, like a shaft sundering the dark!" ~ Helen Keller, Letter to Eugene V. Debs.

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@crimeclub This lack of hustle from Bernie is unacceptable! Starts at 1:51

https://youtu.be/hXwSsyZ2ta0?t=111

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@crimeclub This lack of hustle from Bernie is unacceptable! Starts at 1:51

https://youtu.be/hXwSsyZ2ta0?t=111

Crap, maybe he should drop out of the 2020 race.
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@crimeclub LOL but seriously the last two polls have Bernie in front!
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@crimeclub LOL but seriously the last two polls have Bernie in front!
Yeah I noticed. Biden tanked -13 but what's interesting about the distribution of that loss is that it was split between Bernie and Warren, the two most left wing candidates, which is a good sign imo especially considering this poll surveyed the 50+ demo a bit more than the younger demographics. Hopefully this is a sign that Dem voters are done with this centrist BS once and for all.



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Yeah I noticed. Biden tanked -13 but what's interesting about the distribution of that loss is that it was split between Bernie and Warren, the two most left wing candidates, which is a good sign imo especially considering this poll surveyed the 50+ demo a bit more than the younger demographics. Hopefully this is a sign that Dem voters are done with this centrist BS once and for all.



If Bernie keeps doing well, get ready for never Trump Republicans like Bill Kristol and establishment Democrats to bring out the Putin conspiracy theories.
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