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The Democrats are going to lose in 2020, and here's why.


It's not exactly a secret that corporate interests have their candidates they want to win and the ones they want to lose, it's also no secret that the the Dem party (and GOP) is controlled by those corporate interests, and they also control the narratives in the news, since most news outlets are funded mostly by those corporate interests.

An example of the narratives being BS is when Wikileaks released documents that show that Hillary's campaign was feeding narratives to journalists from different news sources.




I've been following the polls these news outlets put out the last few years, and especially the polls that are coming out during the 2020 campaign. Here are a couple examples of how the narrative is shaped regardless of reality (these types of things have been happening a LOT lately)

The methodology used is often BS, they'll survey only landlines, which will favor Biden, Kamala, etc since Bernie basically has the market cornered on the 18 - 40 demographic, a demographic that is less likely to have a landline. Or here they'll just cut out the 18 - 40 demo completely:




Here's Clara Jeffery the Editor in Chief at Mother Jones, perpetuating the false narrative that black people don't like Bernie (a narrative that can easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy since people will assume it's true and that won't exactly lead to more black people becoming interested in Bernie) Her tweet, and next to it the methodology which she didn't mention in her tweet, probably not a mistake since this kind of thing happens constantly.




Here's MSNBC being dishonest (shocker)




Due to these corporate interests the Democratic party, just like in 2016, will push only a corporate candidate like Biden, Kamala, etc, really anyone but Bernie and Tulsi Gabbard, they're financially obligated to not nominate Bernie or Tulsi. Like the saying goes, the Dem party would rather lose with a moderate than win with a progressive

They will force Biden or Kamala, maybe Warren, even if it means losing to Trump again. In 2016 they shut out Bernie who had tons of genuine support and energy behind him and instead chose Hillary who had no grassroots support and was extremely unpopular.




Another thing to keep in mind regarding polls that have to do with elections is they put a bit of a thumb on the scale with the older generations like 60+, which I understand since the 60+ demo ALWAYS go out and vote and younger people don't quite as much, especially during midterms. That being said, the 2018 midterm was the first time time Millennials came out in larger numbers than Baby Boomers, partly because there were candidates that actually energized younger people to vote (some of which are part of the so called "Squad" I guess is what ppl are calling them).




Anyway, a more accurate way to gauge people's popularity is to look at their campaign's individual donor numbers (not to be confused with individual contributions)

The vast majority of Bernie's donors contribute less than $100 and almost no corporate $$$ or PAC $$$, the average donation for his campaign is about $18, having that in mind while seeing that he has raised more money than the other candidates is pretty insane.

Raising more money with a small average donation of $18 with no corporate money has to be some kind of record. That's called 'grassroots support', that's energy that will translate into voter turnout.

On the other hand having a small amount of individual donors but still a lot of money raised isn't a great sign of genuine support or energy, it means there are a lot of corporations contributing large amounts of $$$.

Here's a breakdown of the top candidates numbers based off of their FEC filings:




Keep in mind that Trump currently has around 750,000 individual donors, that should scare any non-Trump supporter, it would suggest that we definitely should not gamble on candidates who can't compete with Trump's very real support (you know, like the DNC tried in 2016), and we should definitely go with the candidate who actually does compete, Bernie also has about 750,000 individual donors. Biden and Kamala aren't even close, they have no chance against Trump in 2020.

The MSM can prop up their corporate candidates as much as they want, but it won't translate into voter turn out, Biden will not energize voters, Kamala won't, Beto won't, their campaigns are astroturf. Warren has decent support but she can't compete with Trump when it comes to getting out the vote, and also Trump would destroy her in the General debates. People will come out to vote against Trump but a hell of a lot more would come out if they also had a decent candidate to vote for, but we never do, that's why over 100Million stay home during election time, no one really gives a s*** about the corporate empty suits the establishments put in front of us.

Despite all this the MSM and the Democratic party are still going to force Biden on us (oh god that sounds wrong), or Kamala, and if they're desperate they'll resort to Warren. Like Bernie she's also not corporate friendly so the DNC aren't super pumped about her, but they know that unlike Bernie she will break under pressure as she has done many times in the past 4 years, and as Bernie has not done in the past 40 years.
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Here's the breakdown of their second quarter FEC filings.

The larger the total amount of money and the smaller the average $ donation the better.




Btw I find it hard to believe that the little yellow blip on the East coast that represents Biden is the frontrunner and not Bernie who is represented by that huge blue area across the country. And as you can see Bernie does in fact have more support in California than Kamala, her support isn't even visible, same with Warren.




They even had to make a second map excluding Bernie so you could even see all the other candidates.

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I've seen a lot of previous Trump voters interested in Andrew Yang.

The problem is if they keep ****ing with the election in increasingly more obvious ways (like last time,) then you'll also get people voting for Trump as a protest.

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I've seen a lot of previous Trump voters interested in Andrew Yang.

The problem is if they keep ****ing with the election in increasingly more obvious ways (like last time,) then you'll also get people voting for Trump as a protest.
Yeah I don't get the protest vote, it doesn't hurt the DNC much at all if Trump wins, it basically becomes a protest vote that doesn't affect the DNC very much but really affects the average American.
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They need to cut this Beto guy from the next debate. He makes John Kerry look hip. Never gives a straight answer. Horrible candidate.
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They need to cut this Beto guy from the next debate. He makes John Kerry look hip. Never gives a straight answer. Horrible candidate.
The dude is a platitude factory, everything he says is vague kind of patriotic-ish sounding, but you know he has no clue what he'd do if he got into the white house. I don't even know why he's running since he has no real substantive policy agenda, and it can't be about the money because his wife is an actual billionaire, so it's like he's just wasting everyones time running for president when he has no chance.
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Beto's arm waving is getting tiring.


@crimeclub I don't know, man, but Bernie seems like an angry man this time - his debating looks like verbal abuse and it could NOT have been the makeup that made his face look so red. He could have a medical event at the rate he is going.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Maggie Haberman, along with Kathy Griffin and CNN's Ana Navarro (and eight others) are now being sued by eight Covington Catholic boys from the Washington D.C. incident. They were given the chance to correct libelous behavior against the teens and didn't do it.


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@crimeclub I don't know, man, but Bernie seems like an angry man this time - his debating looks like verbal abuse and it could NOT have been the makeup that made his face look so red. He could have a medical event at the rate he is going.
Well that's part of why I support Bernie, he's genuinely upset about different injustices, because there are a lot of angry working people these days, so these politicians who supposedly represent them why aren't they angry? Why aren't the other candidates? Why aren't you?

The fact is Bernie is an extremely civil person while campaigning, he's never run a single negative ad in his 40 years as a politician, his anger is always directed upward, he doesn't punch down like other politicians when they try to push blame onto minorities or immigrants or lgbtq, etc.

If you want to talk physical ability, bring me any other politician's campaign schedule, it wouldn't come close to rivaling Bernie's.
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Yeah I don't get the protest vote, it doesn't hurt the DNC much at all if Trump wins, it basically becomes a protest vote that doesn't affect the DNC very much but really affects the average American.
I think they were hoping that if Trump won they'd realise that they can't just push their favourite candidate forward at the expense of others because it will result in them losing. Plus a lot of the business class claimed to want anyone but Trump, even Murdoch. If you take that at face value I guess that's the conclusion you come to.

But you know I doubt the DNC do care, they probably prefer Trump to Sanders because he's not a democratic socialist economically. This is probably the point where a third party should pop up, but I can't see that happening. That left/right red/blue tribal group thing is still pretty strong, maybe weaker now then in the past but still pretty strong.

In the future people should probably vote based on a list of policies and have no idea who they are voting for. It won't motivate a lot of people to vote though, much like most people don't read the terms and conditions of stuff they sign up for, but people who care will vote.

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They're so brazen about rigging this election it's not even funny. But this last set of debates gave me life. It was amazing to see Bernie break out Grumpy Bernie instead of Kindly Old Man Bernie, because he utterly annihilated his opponents and the corporate shill CNN moderators. And it was even more amazing to see Tulsi absolutely torch Kamala Harris like a savage about her criminal justice record. Kamala and everyone else in the mainstream media did the most pathetic non sequitur I've ever seen by not even addressing those unassailable criticisms, instead just falling back on the lazy old "you're an Assad apolomogist, a-hyuk!" nonsense deflection.

I don't think most people are even aware just how much propaganda and manipulation is engaged in by outlets like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. It's so brazen and unsophisticated that I can't believe they even have the stones to try it. They've got everyone hyped up over a non-existent conspiracy involving Russia and some goofy Facebook memes, yet people can't see the all-pervading propaganda and manipulation that they're exposed to relentlessly by CNN et al. No wonder you elected a Simpsons joke from the year 2000 as president.
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They're so brazen about rigging this election it's not even funny. But this last set of debates gave me life. It was amazing to see Bernie break out Grumpy Bernie instead of Kindly Old Man Bernie, because he utterly annihilated his opponents and the corporate shill CNN moderators. And it was even more amazing to see Tulsi absolutely torch Kamala Harris like a savage about her criminal justice record. Kamala and everyone else in the mainstream media did the most pathetic non sequitur I've ever seen by not even addressing those unassailable criticisms, instead just falling back on the lazy old "you're an Assad apolomogist, a-hyuk!" nonsense deflection.

I don't think most people are even aware just how much propaganda and manipulation is engaged in by outlets like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. It's so brazen and unsophisticated that I can't believe they even have the stones to try it. They've got everyone hyped up over a non-existent conspiracy involving Russia and some goofy Facebook memes, yet people can't see the all-pervading propaganda and manipulation that they're exposed to relentlessly by CNN et al. No wonder you elected a Simpsons joke from the year 2000 as president.
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I was hoping Kamala's record would be brought up but I assumed whoever did it would just beat around the bush, but Tulsi explained not once but two times that Kamala tried to force an innocent man through death row and also regularly enabled prison slave labor. There's a lot more in her record as DA and AG, hopefully other people will have the stones to call her out on it.
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I think they were hoping that if Trump won they'd realise that they can't just push their favourite candidate forward at the expense of others because it will result in them losing. Plus a lot of the business class claimed to want anyone but Trump, even Murdoch. If you take that at face value I guess that's the conclusion you come to.
It seemed like the business class was worried about Trump because he came off sounding anti-establishment and he was naming names but as soon as he got into office he filled his cabinet with basically the exact kind of people the business class wants, they got their huge tax cuts, mass deregulations, etc. So now a lot of the corporations that were avoiding Trump in 2016 are now contributing to his 2020 campaign. Who would have guessed Trump isn't a man of the people.
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Well that's part of why I support Bernie, he's genuinely upset about different injustices, because there are a lot of angry working people these days, so these politicians who supposedly represent them why aren't they angry? Why aren't the other candidates? Why aren't you?

The fact is Bernie is an extremely civil person while campaigning, he's never run a single negative ad in his 40 years as a politician, his anger is always directed upward, he doesn't punch down like other politicians when they try to push blame onto minorities or immigrants or lgbtq, etc.

If you want to talk physical ability, bring me any other politician's campaign schedule, it wouldn't come close to rivaling Bernie's.

Trump's got him outdone. He had multiple rallies in one day.
He had negative ads just like other candidates. He wants people drawn and quartered for their money so that HE can be the "1%" he always touts.

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If we're in a recession by 2020 I think the Democrats will back into a win even with a lousy candidate. The economy is the only leg Trump has left to stand on and I don't think his cult of personality is strong enough to overcome the bubble burst that's currently looming on the horizon.
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I'm hoping Americans have already learned that the media is against them. People like me are joining the Democratic Party and are gonna vote for Bernie in the primaries. We know the polls are full of bullpoop.


The Democrats need to win the house again and win the senate also if they want any chance to work on their agenda.


The fascist (corporate) Democrats aren't fooling anyone anymore. We've suffered too many times. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me dozens of times then its time to listen to the progressives.


People are being taught by the children, like Greta Thunberg, that there is no time left for mistakes. Vote for change today or live thru hell and die tomorrow.


People are cutting the cord and not believing MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc. in ever greater record numbers.




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For years, cable TV had a simple plan to fight cord cutting. Cable TV wanted cord cutters to subscribe to their slimmer, cheaper TV packages. Now that plan is not working out as originally convinced.


As cord cutting is growing at record rates live TV streaming service subscriptions are slowing down. In the past week we learned that DIRECTV NOW lost over 160,000 subscribers and Sling TV saw its growth down from this time last year.


According to reports, live TV streaming services have about 7 to 8 million subscribers. Yet cord cutting is reportedly at about 35 million Americans, meaning most cord cutters are not subscribing to a live TV streaming service like Sling TV, Hulu, or YouTube TV.


Even more scary is the fact that as cord cutting is speeding up and could easily hit 1.5 to 2 million new cord cutters in the second quarter of 2019, live TV services are slowing down.


Many cable TV companies said that is ok if we lose the TV customers, we will just get them on Internet. Now companies like SpaceX, Amazon, and Starry are rushing to offer new Internet options. Add in 5G home Internet along with Fixed wireless and fiber and sooner than later cable TV will be facing a new phase of cord cutting as home Internet gets the axe.


Cable companies are facing a tough uphill fight: Poor reputations, contracts that limit their ability to rapidly change in a growing market, and customers who would do almost anything to get away from them. This has left cable TV companies jumping to find something that will help them stand out.


The question now is not what will happen to cable when TV customers leave but what will happen to cable companies when Internet competition becomes real in the next 5 to 10 years.


For now, cable TV’s plan to fight cord cutting is failing.

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The data also helps explain why cord-cutting has gotten, as one analyst put it, "freakin' ugly," because it reveals how dispensable most linear TV channels have grown.


Of the 191.8 channels available to the average TV household in 2018, only 12.7 -- or 6.6% -- were actually tuned.


That's down an average of nearly five channels from 2008, when the average TV household tuned to 17.3 -- or 13.7% -- of the 129.3 channels that they received.

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Trump's got him outdone. He had multiple rallies in one day.
He had negative ads just like other candidates. He wants people drawn and quartered for their money so that HE can be the "1%" he always touts.
Bernie often has multiple rallies in one day, but like I said pull up anyone else's campaign schedule and we can see how it compare's to Bernie's.

Anyway, I've heard a lot of things said against Bernie but I have to say your claim that his goal is to become wealthy is a new one. A+ for originality.
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Bernie often has multiple rallies in one day, but like I said pull up anyone else's campaign schedule and we can see how it compare's to Bernie's.

Anyway, I've heard a lot of things said against Bernie but I have to say your claim that his goal is to become wealthy is a new one. A+ for originality.
Well, no one has ever brought it up. He'd have a limited salary as President, but yeah, the money would have to go somewhere when he is the 1%.

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Well, no one has ever brought it up. He'd have a limited salary as President, but yeah, the money would have to go somewhere when he is the 1%.
It's pretty dang easy to become rich as a politician, it's almost required because you have to beg for large amounts of money from people or corporations and then do their bidding in return. Are you saying Bernie unsuccessfully tried to become rich for 40 years as a politician, like he couldn't figure out how to sell out to donors, and that's why he's been the poorest politician all these years? By the way making money off of a book you wrote is pretty alright, he didn't become rich by exploiting anyone or selling out. So I don't know why you're thinking he's in it for the money unless you're just kidding around.
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It's pretty dang easy to become rich as a politician, it's almost required because you have to beg for large amounts of money from people or corporations and then do their bidding in return. Are you saying Bernie unsuccessfully tried to become rich for 40 years as a politician, like he couldn't figure out how to sell out to donors, and that's why he's been the poorest politician all these years? By the way making money off of a book you wrote is pretty alright, he didn't become rich by exploiting anyone or selling out. So I don't know why you're thinking he's in it for the money unless you're just kidding around.
He's been a politician for 40 years. That's the issue. If you think people in Congress have been out of touch if they've been in it too long, there you go.


He, like any other politician is trying to drum up votes.

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They're going to lose because the party doesn't know rather it wants to be left or right.

In the debate without Biden the other night, it sounded like it was a republican vs democrat debate, not a bunch of democrats.

And even though no one like what Trump is doing with immigration, they still haven't realized that's the one issue they may have to go right on to win. The party is all over the place.
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