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The Democratic party is an overflowing circus toilet of a party.


Sure the GOP is worse but that's to be expected, they outright say they're beholden to corporations, but the Dem party's actions are always the opposite of their 'working class' rhetoric.

Anyway, a few days ago 186/233 Dems voted for the massive military budget increase, only 41 Dems voted against.




Let's put Dem capitulation in perspective:

1. The Afghanistan Papers were released over a week ago revealing massive fraud, mismanagement, lies, and that our war in Afghanistan is unwinnable and needs to end asap, it's basically our Vietnam (and btw only a handful of Dems have mentioned having a Hearing over it) Yet most Dems just decided to help fund that war along w/ all of our other illegal and endless wars (also Trump's Space Force was included in the budget )

2. They're trying to impeach him, yet they're helping him pass all the legislation he wants demanding little compromise, including fast-tracking all of his federal judge picks (I don't mean the Supreme Court, I mean all his judge picks around the country), they are all right-wing corporate judges who now have lifetime positions. Decades of Trump-picked right-wing control in our courts.

3. Every day it's Dems complaining about how Trump is such a danger to the world, how he's an illegitimate Commander in Chief, and also that he's a Russian asset, yet they just handed him a $738 Billion check to use as Commander in Chief and also apparently as a Russian asset. Nice!

We have one party in this country, not two.
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I'm sorry but Bernie Sanders is not going to be able to do the things he says he will even if he gets elected. Even if he means what he says and tries to do what he promises, the establishment is not going to let him. They will fight tooth and nail and anything he tries to do will get twisted exactly the way Obamacare did. These people are not going to let go of the power they have.
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I'm sorry but Bernie Sanders is not going to be able to do the things he says he will even if he gets elected. Even if he means what he says and tries to do what he promises, the establishment is not going to let him. They will fight tooth and nail and anything he tries to do will get twisted exactly the way Obamacare did. These people are not going to let go of the power they have.
Yeah I'm not expecting any of his major policies to get passed in any significant form, and I know the media and both parties would immediately try to demonize him from the start if he were elected.

2016 really lowered my expectations for our political process, especially regarding the Dem party, 2020 is probably the last time I'll be investing myself in all of this, especially presidential races, if I keep following electoral politics it's going to mostly be focused on local level stuff because local politics isn't usually a lost cause and it also affects a community in a much bigger way than a President can. Anyway he can still get some stuff done via executive order (for example from what I understand a potus can cancel all student debt thru an EO on the first day if he/she wanted) but more importantly imo he can also assist in things outside of the electoral process that can't be immediately reversed by the next president thru executive orders.
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A preemptive strike on why Bernie will fail in the White House. Not because of his pie in the sky promises but because of the media and 'the establishment'. I guess Bernie bros know Hillary won't be around to scapegoat her on Bernie's failures.
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A preemptive strike on why Bernie will fail in the White House. Not because of his pie in the sky promises but because of the media and 'the establishment'. I guess Bernie bros know Hillary won't be around to scapegoat her on Bernie's failures.
"Bernie Bros"? Is this 2016?
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"Bernie Bros"? Is this 2016?
The main problem with Bernie are his supporters. Even he has warned them twice. Like I said, not much difference between the trump and Bernie cults.
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Russia-gate/Ukraine-gate didn't hurt Trump, and the impeachment is helping him in the polls, and this shouldn't be a surprise, we learned years ago that exposing Trump's criminality won't hurt his support at all.




Dems can hurt his support by exposing how he's hurting his supporters, poverty/homelessness are on the rise including in red states, they can reference the data and then expose the barbaric decision to kick hundreds of thousand of people off of food stamps at a time like this (that number doesn't include the children of those people) and that would be exposing a betrayal, but the Dem leadership can't do that, because they're complicit in that decision.

They can't oppose because they're complicit, it's symbolic opposition, and the impeachment was a symbolic "defeat" that won't actually help any struggling people, which means they aren't gaining any votes that the party desperately needs for 2020. Dem leadership is either incompetent or they're controlled opposition, neither are acceptable.
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Dems can hurt his support by exposing how he's hurting his supporters, poverty/homelessness are on the rise including in red states, they can reference the data and then expose the barbaric decision to kick hundreds of thousand of people off of food stamps at a time like this (that number doesn't include the children of those people) and that would be exposing a betrayal, but the Dem leadership can't do that, because they're complicit in that decision.

If many of the red state conservative voters are capable of stopping and just look and read into facts they tells them everything they believed were false, Trump would've have been voted in as president in the first place. Most of them vote more to "stick it to their opposers" not in what they really think is right and good for themselves. They vote by supplementing their own ego. Exposing facts like this will not work with most of the conservative voter base.

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I'm not too sure about Bernie (I think he's kind of old), but if a candidate is going to win and actually produce changes he/she must first make the public believe that undoing the establishment is not only possible but imminent.

The public is already defeated, lethargic, drugged, overworked, under-utilized, and brainwashed. So it's a really tough task to get anyone to believe. Bernie seems to have lots of support though. That voting public has to come through for him, and put him in office no matter what--even if they have to storm the bastille...er...white house.

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Even if he means what he says and tries to do what he promises, the establishment is not going to let him.
Yeah, I'm pretty much voting for a president based off of what they won't do, like off the top of my head among the candidates that have a chance Bernie is the least likely to facilitate the expansions of our wars including any new regime change wars, he's the least likely to quietly allow bad trade deals to happen including letting US corporations take over the UK's NHS, etc. things like that. He of course can't unilaterally keep these things from happening but he's the only candidate that is genuinely outraged by injustices and actually brings attention to them w/out worrying about what those in power think.
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Probably the only thing you've ever said that I agree with.
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That's my opinion of the party specifically because it capitulates to the Republican party.
The Republican Party is a plunger, ready to drain the nasty bowl.

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The republicans pulled off the greatest coup... they took over the democrat party. Trump is currently burning down the republican party which will leave America with just one republican party to vote for.

Think that I am kidding. The DNC is embracing Michael Bloomberg. He is authoritarian, racist and a womanizing republican, just like Trump.

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The republicans pulled off the greatest coup... they took over the democrat party. Trump is currently burning down the republican party which will leave America with just one republican party to vote for.

Think that I am kidding. The DNC is embracing Michael Bloomberg. He is authoritarian, racist and a womanizing republican, just like Trump.
I'm not really a fan of political conservatism but I can't say that either Trump or Bloomberg represent it in classic form. It's surprising to me that so many conservatives side with Trump and I can only assume it's more of a tribalistic team based thing since he doesn't represent many of those values. I think he's managed to do a few things politically to further some of their social agendas but they go crazy over him for seemingly no reason especially considering who he is on a personal level and the impact that has in regards to people aping him. Honestly I assume it's more of a 'he pisses off the people I dislike' thing. And I suppose the religious right are fans of messianic figures (even when they don't represent any of their values )

Trump is more left wing than a lot of Republicans eg: promised to pull out of the TPP:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056

I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg was a bit more right-wing of Trump, but anyone with any common sense knows Bloomberg is primarily running against Sanders. Trump winning wouldn't be a huge loss for Bloomberg. Most of these people are terrified of Sanders:



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I'm not really a fan of political conservatism but I can't say that either Trump or Bloomberg represent it in classic form. It's surprising to me that so many conservatives side with Trump and I can only assume it's more of a tribalistic team based thing since he doesn't represent many of those values. I think he's managed to do a few things politically to further some of their social agendas but they go crazy over him for seemingly no reason especially considering who he is on a personal level and the impact that has in regards to people aping him. Honestly I assume it's more of a 'he pisses off the people I dislike' thing. And I suppose the religious right are fans of messianic figures (even when they don't represent any of their values )

Trump is more left wing than a lot of Republicans eg: promised to pull out of the TPP:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056

I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg was a bit more right-wing of Trump, but anyone with any common sense knows Bloomberg is primarily running against Sanders. Trump winning wouldn't be a huge loss for Bloomberg. Most of these people are terrified of Sanders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5MRDEXRk4k


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Who is he on a personal level? We have had Presidents cheat on their wives while in office. We have had Presidents be more racist than Trump. We had Presidents more brash than Trump, even in private. We had Presidents who were nearly Socialist.


Political correctness likes to try and change history. Forgetting history makes us doomed to repeat it, though!


I can say that Trump has changed as a person since becoming President. He is still a bit rough around the edges, but he takes the job seriously. He has done what many Presidents before him have not been able to do (and Obama wished he could do).


I consider his Tweets and some of the things he says as more challenges to the political correctness of society. He doesn't mean to be as insulting as the PCs say he is. He did NOT call all Latinos racist; He said that there would be several people of Latino descent (Central America has multiple Spanish-speaking countries) who were in trouble for various things try and come into the country unchecked. We have people her who do the same thing and go to Mexico - not as many because Mexico isn't as well off.


The Democratic field only says that they want to beat Trump. How? Their last debate had all of the candidates attack Bloomberg for his money, when it should have been Sanders and his policies! An interesting point was made in that it is nearly likely that the nominee of the party will be either an admitted Socialist (okay, "Democratic Socialist") or a former Republican. The rest are in the back of the pack.

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Who is he on a personal level? We have had Presidents cheat on their wives while in office. We have had Presidents be more racist than Trump. We had Presidents more brash than Trump, even in private. We had Presidents who were nearly Socialist.


Political correctness likes to try and change history. Forgetting history makes us doomed to repeat it, though!


I can say that Trump has changed as a person since becoming President. He is still a bit rough around the edges, but he takes the job seriously. He has done what many Presidents before him have not been able to do (and Obama wished he could do).


I consider his Tweets and some of the things he says as more challenges to the political correctness of society. He doesn't mean to be as insulting as the PCs say he is. He did NOT call all Latinos racist; He said that there would be several people of Latino descent (Central America has multiple Spanish-speaking countries) who were in trouble for various things try and come into the country unchecked. We have people her who do the same thing and go to Mexico - not as many because Mexico isn't as well off.


The Democratic field only says that they want to beat Trump. How? Their last debate had all of the candidates attack Bloomberg for his money, when it should have been Sanders and his policies! An interesting point was made in that it is nearly likely that the nominee of the party will be either an admitted Socialist (okay, "Democratic Socialist") or a former Republican. The rest are in the back of the pack.
I don't think Trump's changed at all but yeah that's what I'm saying people who like him like him because he pisses off certain groups of people.

I didn't watch the debate you're talking about but saw some clips, I think TV debates are often rubbish due to various biases. I don't blame them for going after Bloomberg considering he bought his way into the race. Plutocracy is not the one~
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Who is he on a personal level? We have had Presidents cheat on their wives while in office. We have had Presidents be more racist than Trump. We had Presidents more brash than Trump, even in private. We had Presidents who were nearly Socialist.


Political correctness likes to try and change history. Forgetting history makes us doomed to repeat it, though!


I can say that Trump has changed as a person since becoming President. He is still a bit rough around the edges, but he takes the job seriously. He has done what many Presidents before him have not been able to do (and Obama wished he could do).
As a person, I always thought Trump was A-Ok..kind of like Bill Clinton. He's very shrewd, he's very driven in his objectives, and he has a way to reach the people even in his own high class/jet-set way. The problem is less him, but more of his gang. When he's with his gang in Washington, the decisions he makes are always going to benefit his gang. The power will never exit that circle of ultra rich, ultra militarist industrialists and finacialists. It was exactly the same with Clinton. Personally, I think that circle of power monopolized by the "gangs" in Washington is what's ruining the lives of millions of people both within and beyond American borders.

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The Democratic field only says that they want to beat Trump. How? Their last debate had all of the candidates attack Bloomberg for his money, when it should have been Sanders and his policies! An interesting point was made in that it is nearly likely that the nominee of the party will be either an admitted Socialist (okay, "Democratic Socialist") or a former Republican. The rest are in the back of the pack.
I don't mean to single you out exactly, or criticize what you think or believe, but what you wrote really made me curious of the whole concept in general: is there any precise way to describe what it is that makes Bernie Sanders' policies something to be feared? and feared to such an extent that it must be snuffed out at any cost?

I do feel it's more of a fear than an outright criticism because if it was mere criticism, or bad math, the policies (and the logic behind them) would just be discarded or ignored to the same degree as any of the other candidates' policies, but that's not the case: every candidate should have gotten together, from your own words, to get rid of Bernie--the admitted socialist. And I don't totally understand.
-Is it the vision of a dystopian "police-state" future that makes him unacceptable?
-Is it the loss of a cultural identity, or national identity, that is under threat?
-Is it the prospect of a complete loss of personal wealth?

Bloomberg said it as well: he doesn't want any of what Bernie is selling. The other candidates as well. They make it sound like the issue is black and white: 100% no. The media spouts the same thing. And I don't totally understand the black and white stance to a more socialist leaning policy.

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Trump is more left wing than a lot of Republicans eg: promised to pull out of the TPP:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056

I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg was a bit more right-wing of Trump, but anyone with any common sense knows Bloomberg is primarily running against Sanders. Trump winning wouldn't be a huge loss for Bloomberg. Most of these people are terrified of Sanders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5MRDEXRk4k


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Yes, I agree that Bloomberg is further right than Trump, at least in policy. Trump toes the radical right wing line though. Since Trump lies so much it is hard to tell whether he really is or whether it's just all a reality tv sh*t show, staged for our entertainment.

Yes, again. Bloomberg is only out to protect his interests. He couldn't care less about running this country and would surely lose or throw the race to Trump, which would be fine with him as his gravy train will then continue. Biden was suppose to block Bernie this time around but he turned out to be too out of touch and looks to be done already. I am not completely counting him out yet, but after what Bernie just did in the first 3 states, everyone on the left is already sounding the alarm that Sanders will win the nomination.

I guess the Russians will get the match-up they want. I just wonder, between Trump and Bernie, who they are backing more!

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I'm not well-versed on politics but my perception is that the Democratic party is more concerned with how they are perceived rather than in taking an actual stand. Obama seemed to have several good opportunities to take a hard stand and never really did--perhaps out of fear he would offend someone? I just don't see the Democratic party in a league with the Republican party (or maybe, more accurately, they're basically in the same league but as a watered down version, which the American people don't seem too thrilled about). A one party system is a tragedy.

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