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When a nation forces you to only learn about their political ideals from child-adult...it's very sad.
You should be sad about your own education then.

Because education systems follow that same exact pattern of nation-building.

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You should be sad about your own education then.

Because education systems follow that same exact pattern of nation-building.
That's a very communist response. I see you have no idea how the United States work. There isn't a federal curriculum for one sided education like Cuba, Soviet Union, and Canada.

Schools can actually order books that have all sides of history.

That's exactly why communism and especially socialism, is such a failure.

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That's a very communist response. I see you have no idea how the United States work. There isn't a federal curriculum for one sided education like Cuba, Soviet Union, and Canada.

Schools can actually order books that have all sides of history.
Throw some examples of school books with different sides of history and maybe schools that use them. Do you know cases of banned school books from other countries?
On the other thread you mentioned getting the best talent from the professors, implying the need for good education, but if there is no federal curriculum, how can you measure the talent of the professors and education, if they make their own standards? I guess again you would choose having the FREEDOM for teachers to teach the creation theory as a fact and the Hitler as a guy who was right, letting the American PISA test results plummet etc, just for the sake of glorious freedom.

Kinda find this difficult to come out without sounding anti-freedom authoritarian, of course I like freedom too, but I put the happiness of the people before it. What's the use of absolute freedom, if all the people are miserable? I've seen it in the movies, wild-west was a miserable place... How could the said legislation, and ideal of the country possibly be more important than well being of it's people?

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That's a very communist response. I see you have no idea how the United States work. There isn't a federal curriculum for one sided education like Cuba, Soviet Union, and Canada.

Schools can actually order books that have all sides of history.

That's exactly why communism and especially socialism, is such a failure.
No, there are actually strict mandates to be followed in teacher training, administration training, and certification guidelines for schools that are very uniform throughout the nation. This is how schools are put in line, at least for public schools and colleges. It's also why a high school diploma is valid across different jurisdictions.

Unless someone goes to boarding school, or a specialized private institute, it's likely that everyone who took "economics 101" learned only about market-driven principles...as an example. There are others, like Law, English, etc. Public school teaches us to be citizens of our nation, not citizens of some other nation...that's ridiculous!

I hope you didn't go to public school, or as economists call it: public sector non-profits. Education (and the military, I'd say) are probably the most "communist" things there are...even in the most capitalist of nations. And there's nothing wrong one way or another. The wrong thing is going to extremes. One is not better than the other. This is what critical education...made proudly in the west...should teach us.

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That's a very communist response. I see you have no idea how the United States work. There isn't a federal curriculum for one sided education like Cuba, Soviet Union, and Canada.

Schools can actually order books that have all sides of history.

That's exactly why communism and especially socialism, is such a failure.
Why do you keep trying to call him a communist, has he ever even remotely advocated to abolish currency, the class system, and private property? That's communism, a federal government doing stuff isn't communism, there's such a thing as anarcho-communism.
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I'm never understand the conservative mind. They spend so much time and energy making up these conspiracy theories and coming up with fake stories and trying to disrupt democratic processes instead of working on policies and ideas that can help the country, benefit real people and move things forward. They know they have nothing to offer anyone, yet they pretend like they should be in charge of the country. And for what? To lead us to tyranny? I hope November is the reckoning conservatives deserve and we can start moving this country back into the 21st Century.
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I choose freedom. Socialism and Communism aren't freedoms. It limits them. So yes- I absolutely go with the founding fathers.
Doctors making less than minimum wage in Cuba is not freedom.


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Speaking of limiting freedoms. How about Bernie Sanders?
"The top....one puh-cent make moah money than the bottom 100 puh-cent. Medikay-uh for all. When Castro 'came into office', he had 100 puh-cent literacy and health cay-uh for all. He was my hero".



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No question. Many nations influence other elections. This is nothing new. Another sad truth.
The Grand Poobah of Iran is a mess. Raul Castro is a mess. Nicolas Maduro is a mess. We would probably support their opponents.

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I'm never understand the conservative mind. They spend so much time and energy making up these conspiracy theories and coming up with fake stories and trying to disrupt democratic processes instead of working on policies and ideas that can help the country, benefit real people and move things forward. They know they have nothing to offer anyone, yet they pretend like they should be in charge of the country. And for what? To lead us to tyranny? I hope November is the reckoning conservatives deserve and we can start moving this country back into the 21st Century.
Sir, you need to flip the viewpoints.


Folks, if you want the truth - flip conservatives and liberals around in that post because that's exactly what happened. Liberals have blamed Conservatives for doing things that Liberals did themselves!


You and your friends now openly mocking our President and Vice President and the Centers for Disease Control, hoping people in the United States die, praising China for releasing a virus that have killed over 2,800 people and sickened over 88,000. You can't let the Russia crap go and now you're screaming "let Coronavirus save our country"?.


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Why do you keep trying to call him a communist, has he ever even remotely advocated to abolish currency, the class system, and private property? That's communism, a federal government doing stuff isn't communism, there's such a thing as anarcho-communism.

Because Bernie's viewpoint is a doorway to Communism; it just does it more slowly.


It would morph itself into Bernie becoming a czar-like leader. Hmmm....when did we last hear the word "czar" in leadership? Obama?

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Because Bernie's viewpoint is a doorway to Communism; it just does it more slowly.


It would morph itself into Bernie becoming a czar-like leader. Hmmm....when did we last hear the word "czar" in leadership? Obama?
Explain that slow transition to me, Bernie would take our mild Social Democracy that we have now and make it a regular Social Democracy that exists in dozens of our allied countries, how do you go from that to Communism, because transitioning from a Capitalist economy to Communism doesn't just slowly happen, it usually takes a massive violent revolution enacted by a large percentage of the population. How do you go from providing healthcare and education to the people to an uprising that overthrows Capitalism?

You know what would lead to a revolution? A population that's denied basic human needs like healthcare, education, and a livable wage.
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Explain that slow transition to me, Bernie would take our mild Social Democracy that we have now and make it a regular Social Democracy that exists in dozens of our allied countries, how do you go from that to Communism, because transitioning from a Capitalist economy to Communism doesn't just slowly happen, it usually takes a massive violent revolution enacted by a large percentage of the population. How do you go from providing healthcare and education to an uprising of the population that violently overthrows Capitalism, especially when the Capitalists have the most powerful military on their side.

You know what would lead to a revolution? A population that's denied basic human needs like healthcare, education, and a livable wage.

Socialism will not be enough. Right now, Bernie is pushing full paid-for health care for McDonald's employees. For those of us who have degrees with decent jobs - not only are we going to be taxed more, we aren't going to get the same healthcare unless we pay for it. That is still an imbalance that would only be remedied by lowering my pay to the same "livable wage" as that McDonald's employee.


You do realize that anyone making $29,000 a year or more will see a 6% jump in Federal tax alone for the lowest tax bracket - that would be at least 30% of the salary and it only gets worse the more one makes.

And they have that now - it's called a JOB, not a handout!

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Socialism will not be enough. Right now, Bernie is pushing full paid-for health care for McDonald's employees. For those of us who have degrees with decent jobs - not only are we going to be taxed more, we aren't going to get the same healthcare unless we pay for it. That is still an imbalance that would only be remedied by lowering my pay to the same "livable wage" as that McDonald's employee.


You do realize that anyone making $29,000 a year or more will see a 6% jump in Federal tax alone for the lowest tax bracket - that would be at least 30% of the salary and it only gets worse the more one makes.

And they have that now - it's called a JOB, not a handout!
I was asking about how the transition from Social Democracy to Communism would logically happen, specifically in the US, where the Capitalists have the world's most powerful military backing them.
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Socialism will not be enough. Right now, Bernie is pushing full paid-for health care for McDonald's employees. For those of us who have degrees with decent jobs - not only are we going to be taxed more, we aren't going to get the same healthcare unless we pay for it. That is still an imbalance that would only be remedied by lowering my pay to the same "livable wage" as that McDonald's employee.


You do realize that anyone making $29,000 a year or more will see a 6% jump in Federal tax alone for the lowest tax bracket - that would be at least 30% of the salary and it only gets worse the more one makes.

And they have that now - it's called a JOB, not a handout!
Where do you get this information from?
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Throw some examples of school books with different sides of history and maybe schools that use them. Do you know cases of banned school books from other countries?
On the other thread you mentioned getting the best talent from the professors, implying the need for good education, but if there is no federal curriculum, how can you measure the talent of the professors and education, if they make their own standards? I guess again you would choose having the FREEDOM for teachers to teach the creation theory as a fact and the Hitler as a guy who was right, letting the American PISA test results plummet etc, just for the sake of glorious freedom.

Kinda find this difficult to come out without sounding anti-freedom authoritarian, of course I like freedom too, but I put the happiness of the people before it. What's the use of absolute freedom, if all the people are miserable? I've seen it in the movies, wild-west was a miserable place... How could the said legislation, and ideal of the country possibly be more important than well being of it's people?
Um, why does the curriculum have to be federal? That's a ridiculous thing to say.

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Why do you keep trying to call him a communist, has he ever even remotely advocated to abolish currency, the class system, and private property? That's communism, a federal government doing stuff isn't communism, there's such a thing as anarcho-communism.
Cite where I called him a communist. I said "That's a very communist thing to say". Meaning, that one comment resembled something a communist would agree with. I never once called him a communist- nor do I believe he's a communist.

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This is why Brexit was always irrelevant:

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And if you don't live on that one subcontinent you don't even get a vote about what they do. Not that if you do it matters either but you know one step closer or something lol.

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When a nation forces you to only learn about their political ideals from child-adult...it's very sad.
I agree, remember being taught the Pledge of Allegiance as a child and then being told literally every single day in school from child to adult to stand, put your right hand over your heart while looking at the flag, and then you were told to pledge your allegiance to it? Sad.
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Stumbled on a post on a Jordan Peterson subreddit via Googling something. Top response was perfectly reasonable also pointed out the thread OP was a nazi (which they were, with the way people were responding to this guy I'd assumed he was being hyperbolic, but the OP was full on like '**** the Jews they're trying to destroy the whites' conspiracy theory **** in the example post they linked, they're also denying the holocaust happened in the comment section of that very thread. They're a troll or a nazi either way they're trying to look like a nazi) every response was yelling at the top commentor for being an evil socialist/Marxist etc.

I bet they'll all be pikachu faceing one day.

I don't think most Jordan Peterson fans are pro Nazi, I think they're just looking for an answer to their lives, but honestly if this is what that subreddit is like regularly I wouldn't be surprised people form that opinion that thread was insane.

Honestly I read more comments later and it just got really insane from the OP lol I'm not even going to go into it all. Let's just say he ended up arguing that the person criticising him was a real Nazi and that Nazi's were pro-gay because many Nazi's were gay (using mostly ambiguous/unproven cases as examples and ignoring that Ernst Röhm was eventually killed.) I can think of several similar figures floating around right now really but means little, some people pathologically put other people before themselves (and people similar to them,) so they see these people freaking out about LGBTQ+ people and they baby them till in some cases they get killed. They're not the only group that does this obviously but yeah.

Nazi's aren't babies. Islamists aren't babies. Jewish people aren't babies. Women aren't babies. And so on.

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