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There are lots of protests happening in different areas of Greece.

https://twitter.com/kinimatini/statu...51508959219712

https://twitter.com/th1an1/status/1232756274196074502

https://twitter.com/th1an1/status/1232030289175678976


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...082143907.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51654005

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You have to admit that this is a disruption to the people living there. They aren't going to be able to handle all the incoming people. They have a right to be upset. We went through something like that here.

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They are fighting to become Lesbians?
Sounds like a party but unfortunately no.

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You have to admit that this is a disruption to the people living there. They aren't going to be able to handle all the incoming people. They have a right to be upset. We went through something like that here.
In Athens they're fighting police brutality/repression and in response to an undercover cop shooting at people, previously cops weren't allowed on campuses but that's recently changed with the new conservative government.

I imagine the island protests are mostly fascistic, although the detention camps there are horrific and overcrowded and people are apparently not allowed to leave, so there's plenty of reasons to protest their existence.

I can't date the Athens one since the tweet is recent, but there's no media about it.

edit: OK so this is from yesterday:

https://enoughisenough14.org/2020/02...n-at-students/

This similar story is from November:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...191725150.html

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And yeah you have concentration camps in America too, no wait sorry, Chuck Todd doesn't like those words lol. Whatever they're being called.

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Bloomberg struggles to not say 'bought them' awkward.

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/sta...88107099873281

Also suspicious:

https://twitter.com/LumpyLouish/stat...96401933324288

https://twitter.com/halaljew/status/1232827871053451264

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I'm not saying your founding fathers had "wrong" intentions, but do you personally think that the intentions of the founding fathers should be followed for the sake of it? As in if there was a system that would objectively work better for the people on the 21th century, BUT it would majorly contradict the intentions of the founding fathers, which would you choose?
I choose freedom. Socialism and Communism aren't freedoms. It limits them. So yes- I absolutely go with the founding fathers.

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Your mother in law wouldn't even be allowed to vote, our founding fathers intended to only allow land owners who were white and male to vote. Our founding fathers were a**holes, buddy.
Speaking of limiting freedoms. How about Bernie Sanders?

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I was referring to foreign nations funding US electoral candidates. The US (through the CIA) does this exact thing in other countries.
No question. Many nations influence other elections. This is nothing new. Another sad truth.

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I choose freedom. Socialism and Communism aren't freedoms. It limits them. So yes- I absolutely go with the founding fathers.
Yeah. There is always a compromise to how much individualism (freedom) and how much collectivism (duty) a person must practice. A misconception is that they exist in extremes. They don't. I don't believe they ever have...not even in places where we imagine there was rampant tyranny.

The United States became "great" by championing the best virtues of the individualist end (I will not go into the militarist backhanded methods of how they went about it), but due to their success over the centuries I think its culture has slowly neglected the collectivist counterpart, only using band-aids like the "new deal" when it was convenient. At some point, the negligence will turn into a major vulnerability. I don't know if it will be in 2020, but with so much crisis going around the world, I can't imagine the answers will come by pushing more individualism by way of the current capitalist fashion.

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Yeah. There is always a compromise to how much individualism (freedom) and how much collectivism (duty) a person must practice. A misconception is that they exist in extremes. They don't. I don't believe they ever have...not even in places where we imagine there was rampant tyranny.

The United States became "great" by championing the best virtues of the individualist end (I will not go into the militarist backhanded methods of how they went about it), but due to their success over the centuries I think its culture has slowly neglected the collectivist counterpart, only using band-aids like the "new deal" when it was convenient. At some point, the negligence will turn into a major vulnerability. I don't know if it will be in 2020, but with so much crisis going around the world, I can't imagine the answers will come by pushing more individualism by way of the current capitalist fashion.
Interesting how you entertain the communist ideology. To each their own.

This is about the great success of the United States. We do it not by individuals, but by states. We are a nation that has states that contribute with our own free capitalistic values/contributions. Relying on the federal government is when you've become a failed nation.

Hence why socialism and communism are never the answer if freedom is what someone wants.

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Interesting how you entertain the communist ideology. To each their own.

This is about the great success of the United States. We do it not by individuals, but by states. We are a nation that has states that contribute with our own free capitalistic values/contributions. Relying on the federal government is when you've become a failed nation.

Hence why socialism and communism are never the answer if freedom is what someone wants.
And yet, so many red states rely on the federal government. If it weren't for states like CA, HI, NY that bring in so much money for the country, these red states would be third world countries, thanks to GOP mismanagement.
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Interesting how you entertain the communist ideology. To each their own.

This is about the great success of the United States. We do it not by individuals, but by states. We are a nation that has states that contribute with our own free capitalistic values/contributions. Relying on the federal government is when you've become a failed nation.

Hence why socialism and communism are never the answer if freedom is what someone wants.
I entertain "communist" ideology equally with any other ideology. My background is in cultural anthropology. I've studied social systems from every corner of the world at every period of time. They all struggle to balance individualism with collective duty. There were civilizations throughout history--even recent history--that did very well under centralized authority, but it came at a cost, of course, of individual freedom. That they failed was mostly due to an inability to respond to the crisis (that takes place in any number of forms) that befell them, and this happens to liberal systems as well.

In our modern world the problem lies--as it always has, really--with the access of people to the wealth generating environment in their society (or state). The system stops working when too many people are left out. I think "capitalistic values" are fine. It's a road to access the wealth generating environment. I only criticize those people who block it, and sadly, many are capitalists themselves.

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And yet, so many red states rely on the federal government. If it weren't for states like CA, HI, NY that bring in so much money for the country, these red states would be third world countries, thanks to GOP mismanagement.
So you support red states and agree that giving welfare is holding our nation back and putting us in debt?

I agree with you completely. I think no states should receive federal aid. Federal aid should be for our military structure, and anything that impacts our nation as a whole- which is not much. The Fed should be extremely limited.

Good to know you're a libertarian/conservative!

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I entertain "communist" ideology equally with any other ideology. My background is in cultural anthropology. I've studied social systems from every corner of the world at every period of time. They all struggle to balance individualism with collective duty. There were civilizations throughout history--even recent history--that did very well under centralized authority, but it came at a cost, of course, of individual freedom. That they failed was mostly due to an inability to respond to the crisis (that takes place in any number of forms) that befell them, and this happens to liberal systems as well.

In our modern world the problem lies--as it always has, really--with the access of people to the wealth generating environment in their society (or state). The system stops working when too many people are left out. I think "capitalistic values" are fine. It's a road to access the wealth generating environment. I only criticize those people who block it, and sadly, many are capitalists themselves.
Ah- living in the past. It's also why everyone else in the world laughs at modern "liberals" when they call themselves "progressives" when in fact it's regressive. Your post helps prove that point.

To be fair, I don't believe conservatism is the answer. I believe that we should revert to EXTREMELY limited fed gov, with states rights being the main form of government. We have 50 states that each have their own identity and are protected by our constitution. We have career politicians that plan to derail that. It's why communism can't work here.

Sure places like Cuba love communism (lol jk- it's killed them as a nation), but it cannot work here.

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Ah- living in the past. It's also why everyone else in the world laughs at modern "liberals" when they call themselves "progressives" when in fact it's regressive. Your post helps prove that point.

To be fair, I don't believe conservatism is the answer. I believe that we should revert to EXTREMELY limited fed gov, with states rights being the main form of government. We have 50 states that each have their own identity and are protected by our constitution. We have career politicians that plan to derail that. It's why communism can't work here.

Sure places like Cuba love communism (lol jk- it's killed them as a nation), but it cannot work here.
Reducing government is a great thing to do, just as long as it can assure participation by all its citizens in its economic and social (health, schooling, charity, religion, etc.) decisions. If that doesn't happen, then a state government is no better than a federal government.

Cuba got "killed" as a nation, but they never really had a fair chance to "live". It's disappointing to know how many people are unaware of how many other nations (in economic terms: other real estate and productive land) never got the opportunity to utilize their lands and resources to benefit their own societies. They get pillaged by other bigger nations, and the US is clearly guilty of this with Cuba and all of latin america.

The US wants every nation in the western hemisphere to fall in line with their governance, and the reason has never changed since day one: because they want no other "power" to do the same thing that the US is already doing in Latin America. It's like those nations in Latin America don't really count. They are either prey to the US, or prey to some other "power". The thought of those nations making their own decisions, or making use of their natural resources in their own way, does not even come into the radar. For going its own way, Cuba has paid the price that the US waged on them. I think they've done pretty well, given their setbacks. The US, back in the day, were afraid Cuba would become another Haiti. That was their logic for invasion. I'm glad they've done better than Haiti. I could only imagine how much better they'd do if the US didn't cripple them, and if the US didn't have its own plan for latin america.

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Reducing government is a great thing to do, just as long as it can assure participation by all its citizens in its economic and social (health, schooling, charity, religion, etc.) decisions. If that doesn't happen, then a state government is no better than a federal government.

Cuba got "killed" as a nation, but they never really had a fair chance to "live". It's disappointing to know how many people are unaware of how many other nations (in economic terms: other real estate and productive land) never got the opportunity to utilize their lands and resources to benefit their own societies. They get pillaged by other bigger nations, and the US is clearly guilty of this with Cuba and all of latin america.

The US wants every nation in the western hemisphere to fall in line with their governance, and the reason has never changed since day one: because they want no other "power" to do the same thing that the US is already doing in Latin America. It's like those nations in Latin America don't really count. They are either prey to the US, or prey to some other "power". The thought of those nations making their own decisions, or making use of their natural resources in their own way, does not even come into the radar. For going its own way, Cuba has paid the price that the US waged on them. I think they've done pretty well, given their setbacks. The US, back in the day, were afraid Cuba would become another Haiti. That was their logic for invasion. I'm glad they've done better than Haiti. I could only imagine how much better they'd do if the US didn't cripple them, and if it didn't have its own plan for latin america.
Cuba, and other communist nations kill themselves. The Re-Education system is a major reason many fled the communist/oppressive state.

When a nation forces you to only learn about their political ideals from child-adult...it's very sad. The Soviet Union collapsed because freedom trumps politics.

Cuba is not a "sad" example. It's a real example of failure.

Let's talk about Venezuela.

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That's pure gold. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that he stacked the audience during the last debate to make himself look good considering the cheers he got. How can anyone support that slimy little weasel? I wouldn't give that man a squirt of my own piss if he was dying from thirst.
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That's pure gold. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that he stacked the audience during the last debate to make himself look good considering the cheers he got. How can anyone support that slimy little weasel? I wouldn't give that man a squirt of my own piss if he was dying from thirst.
I dunno if this is true but supposedly he had paid volunteers who were telling voters to vote for other candidates LOL.

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So you support red states and agree that giving welfare is holding our nation back and putting us in debt?

I agree with you completely. I think no states should receive federal aid. Federal aid should be for our military structure, and anything that impacts our nation as a whole- which is not much. The Fed should be extremely limited.

Good to know you're a libertarian/conservative!
No, that's a regressive stance conservatives take. I'm fine with conservatives mooching off the system.
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No, that's a regressive stance conservatives take. I'm fine with conservatives mooching off the system.
Why are you contradicting yourself? You support eliminating the Federal government giving useless cash to states that generate their own money.

You and I agree.

You're a Libertarian! Welcome to the club, brother!

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