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I think the Cubans are paying Bernie
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The most disturbing thing about Bernie with regards to Cuba was during his recent 60 Minutes interview.

I found it very demeaning when Bernie said "when Castro came into office".

That is something a CON MAN would say. Think about it.

Castro DID NOT "come into office". He led a rebellion and overthrew the regime of Fulgencio Batista. He was never "voted in"!

The Cuban Revolution (Spanish: Revolución cubana) was an armed revolt conducted by Fidel Castro's revolutionary 26th of July Movement and its allies against the military dictatorship of Cuban President Fulgencio Batista. The revolution began in July 1953,[5] and continued sporadically until the rebels finally ousted Batista on 31 December 1958, replacing his government with a revolutionary socialist state. 26 July 1953 is celebrated in Cuba as the Day of the Revolution (Dia de la Revolución). The 26th of July Movement later reformed along communist lines, becoming the Communist Party in October 1965.[6]


It transitioned from "Socialist" to "Communist".....what would happen if Bernie "came into office"?

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Trump nearly led us into WW3 last month (still no evidence to justify it)(and there never will be) and the only foreign policy talk allowed at the Dem debates was trash-talking countries like Cuba that don't trade in the US petro-dollar.

Nice. Cool country.
He repeatedly said that it was not his intention. The opportunity to get the guy presented itself. It was then or never.

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The most disturbing thing about Bernie with regards to Cuba was during his recent 60 Minutes interview.

I found it very demeaning when Bernie said "when Castro came into office".

That is something a CON MAN would say. Think about it.

Castro DID NOT "come into office". He led a rebellion and overthrew the regime of Fulgencio Batista. He was never "voted in"!

The Cuban Revolution (Spanish: Revolución cubana) was an armed revolt conducted by Fidel Castro's revolutionary 26th of July Movement and its allies against the military dictatorship of Cuban President Fulgencio Batista. The revolution began in July 1953,[5] and continued sporadically until the rebels finally ousted Batista on 31 December 1958, replacing his government with a revolutionary socialist state. 26 July 1953 is celebrated in Cuba as the Day of the Revolution (Dia de la Revolución). The 26th of July Movement later reformed along communist lines, becoming the Communist Party in October 1965.[6]


It transitioned from "Socialist" to "Communist".....what would happen if Bernie "came into office"?
Exactly. And Castro didn't enhance the education or literacy system...he FORCED them into RE-Education which is when a dictator forces them to learn only what the regime wants. The Nazis did this. Stalin...etc.

Bernie is a freaking joke. If he wins the Dem nomination, he just handed Trump 2020 win.

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The most disturbing thing about Bernie with regards to Cuba was during his recent 60 Minutes interview.

I found it very demeaning when Bernie said "when Castro came into office".

That is something a CON MAN would say. Think about it.

Castro DID NOT "come into office". He led a rebellion and overthrew the regime of Fulgencio Batista. He was never "voted in"!

The Cuban Revolution (Spanish: Revolución cubana) was an armed revolt conducted by Fidel Castro's revolutionary 26th of July Movement and its allies against the military dictatorship of Cuban President Fulgencio Batista. The revolution began in July 1953,[5] and continued sporadically until the rebels finally ousted Batista on 31 December 1958, replacing his government with a revolutionary socialist state. 26 July 1953 is celebrated in Cuba as the Day of the Revolution (Dia de la Revolución). The 26th of July Movement later reformed along communist lines, becoming the Communist Party in October 1965.[6]


It transitioned from "Socialist" to "Communist".....what would happen if Bernie "came into office"?
My mother in law is a hard core Democrat (somewhat liberal). She's going to vote Trump (who she can't stand) over Bernie. She'd rather keep our nation the way our founding fathers indented it. Not how Stalin envisioned the world.

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It transitioned from "Socialist" to "Communist".....what would happen if Bernie "came into office"?
You're complaining about his verbage. It doesn't matter. He doesn't condone an authoritarian state. And even if he did, that would say more about the US government and their checks and balances.
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Americans must be really proud to have a politician like Bernie Sanders... that famous picture of him getting arrested for protesting segregation when he was young always gives me pause. He's been remarkably honourable his entire life.
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I guess your founding fathers favoured corporate overlords lol.

I think the US needs a moderate left (Bernie,) at the very least, because when you don't have one keeping on the other's asses income inequality just increases exponentially:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/povert...ome-inequality

Of course if you don't believe you have inherent worth, it makes sense to support increasing inequality because you think you deserve to die when you fail and obviously most people believe that.

Neoliberalism isn't left wing, but segments of the left vaguely tried to absorb it after Reagan to try and get power (big mistake.) Actually I don't know anything about Bill Clinton's background but this is true of Tony Blair and Thatcher and Reagan are weirdly parallel so I just assume. The US is also slightly more right wing than the UK historically.

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Our politicians depend on donor money. Donors come from all over the world even though they aren't supposed to. Take the Clintons for example. Trump, Bernie, Liz, Biden (especially) have foreign contacts.

Donors funnel money through legit charities in the US so they can "legally" donate. Foreign nations have been for a long time funding all of our candidates. A sad reality.

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The most disturbing thing about Bernie with regards to Cuba was during his recent 60 Minutes interview.

I found it very demeaning when Bernie said "when Castro came into office".

That is something a CON MAN would say. Think about it.

Castro DID NOT "come into office". He led a rebellion and overthrew the regime of Fulgencio Batista. He was never "voted in"!
Cuba has had a lengthy history of unelected leaders, many installed by the USA, and before that, Spain. The fact that the US, when they had their chance, did not follow any notions of fair democracy gives them no ground to say anything about Cuba and its government. I believe this is one of the points that Castro really pushed during his lifetime.

It's a very disappointing thing, really. It's a legacy of colonialism, and also the legacy of the narratives, derived from colonialism, that continue to persist--both by Cuba and by the US. If we removed the colonial-derived narratives, I doubt Americans or Cubans would even care to push one system over another.

...and it would eliminate thoughts such as the following:
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Don't forget: the door swings both ways.
How do you mean? I mentioned our current (Republican) president and his Democrat challengers in my post. You may have misread it.

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She'd rather keep our nation the way our founding fathers indented it.
I'm not saying your founding fathers had "wrong" intentions, but do you personally think that the intentions of the founding fathers should be followed for the sake of it? As in if there was a system that would objectively work better for the people on the 21th century, BUT it would majorly contradict the intentions of the founding fathers, which would you choose?

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My mother in law is a hard core Democrat (somewhat liberal). She's going to vote Trump (who she can't stand) over Bernie. She'd rather keep our nation the way our founding fathers indented it. Not how Stalin envisioned the world.
Your mother in law wouldn't even be allowed to vote, our founding fathers intended to only allow land owners who were white and male to vote. Our founding fathers were a**holes, buddy.
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I'm not saying your founding fathers had "wrong" intentions, but do you personally think that the intentions of the founding fathers should be followed for the sake of it? As in if there was a system that would objectively work better for the people on the 21th century, BUT it would majorly contradict the intentions of the founding fathers, which would you choose?
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You're complaining about his verbage. It doesn't matter. He doesn't condone an authoritarian state. And even if he did, that would say more about the US government and their checks and balances.
That's what he thinks; it ends up authoritarian.


Cuba has only 5% Internet coverage - the "elite class".
Cubans don't get paid very well at all.


Obama's lifting of embargoes only condoned what Castro has done.

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My mother in law is a hard core Democrat (somewhat liberal). She's going to vote Trump (who she can't stand) over Bernie. She'd rather keep our nation the way our founding fathers indented it. Not how Stalin envisioned the world.
She joined the #WalkAway movement. Yeah, there is a pretty significant contrast coming in this election.

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Cuba has only 5% Internet coverage - the "elite class".
Cubans don't get paid very well at all.


Obama's lifting of embargoes only condoned what Castro has done.
The embargo has done nothing positive. There is no point to it. If communism fails - let it fail. US should not be involved.

Cubans had all their chances taken from them. We're resilient though.
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How do you mean? I mentioned our current (Republican) president and his Democrat challengers in my post. You may have misread it.

I was referring to foreign nations funding US electoral candidates. The US (through the CIA) does this exact thing in other countries.

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