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Democratic Senator Kamala Harris just got back from a massive fundraiser hosted by Comcast.

Prediction: Comcast-owned MSNBC is going to start calling her the 2020 candidate to look out for, and passive Democrats are going to be nodding at the screen with blank stares in their eyes before they even know what she stands for.

Who needs a candidate built with integrity when you can just manufacture a candidate purely with money?
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LOL I was just saying that to my Dad when we were watching the evening news.
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Betsy Devos claims that 90% of girls who get raped in college and take it to court are just girls who regret hooking up with a guy........ Who's Betsy Devos? The women who Trump appointed as Secretary of Education.

Where did she say that?
"He touched me in the morning and just walked away?! The sex was bad so I charged him with rape."???? That's sick.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40729996

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He tweeted that he had consulted with military experts and cited "tremendous medical costs and disruption".
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The projected active duty end strength in the armed forces for FY 2017 was 1,281,900 people, with an additional 801,200 people in the seven reserve components.
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Reserve personnel 81,850
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Commanders from British armed forces have opposed any ban on transgender people serving in the military.
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BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said the MoD would not provide the number of transgender people serving in the British military, but that one source had told him there were fewer than 10.
There are probably not more than 100 transpeople in the US military, the US military has about 10x the number of people in active duty and reserves as the UK, but it is spending more than 10x the amount of money the UK is on its military.

The country with the 2nd highest military expenditure is China - 215.7 billion.

Russia is spending about 69 billion, and apparently Trump wants to increase US defence spending by 54 billion if he hasn't already?

So where is your money going?

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Transgender costs for the military are about $8 million.

About $8 million is also how much it costs tax payers for Trump to play golf for 2 weekends.

Let's not take away Trump's right to golf over the next 2 weeks, okay Percy?
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I can't lie, transgender people creep me out full stop. That said, Trump's announcement played on the BBC World Service followed by his campaign clip saying he's the best thing ever for the LGBT community was damn amusing
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Loved watching them videos of him shouting support for lgbt and now this. You never really know what or who he supports. The fact he stated the financial impact as being so high as a reason when he spends so much on his unnecessary golf and trump tower security is laughable as well. Let's not forget the 5x more spent on Viagra in the military.

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The Donald uses his Twitter account like a guy uses shiny keys to distract and entertain an infant. He didn't meet with the officials he needed to move forward on the transgender issue, he didn't even draft a bill. Any American that attended 2nd grade knows how a bill is passed thanks to good old School House Rock.



I don't recall SHR talking about how a President can come up with an idea in the middle of the night and tweet it into law. Even if it does eventually, the next definitely Democratic President will obliterate that law day 1.

Those tweets only served to pander to his anti-lgbt base and also to distract from the fact that his number 1 priority, repeal the ACA (Obamacare) is becoming more unsuccessful every time it's attempted. Repealing the ACA is over, time to now move on to pushing a terrible tax reform bill.

When he gets around to tax reform I expect hollow controversial tweets about how women now have lost the right to vote, just to distract the masses.
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^ I never noticed it before, but that Bill character kind of sounds like an old drunk guy. Maybe he hung out with Donald too long and they forgot to get him passed.
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May I ask why?
It's not an anti-LGBT or discrimination thing, I'm all for "live & let live", however, on a personal level I can't really help how I feel around transgendered people, they tend to trigger a sort of confusion in me that I find uncomfortable. For example I'll know that previously "she" was a "he" so I may mix up which gender references to use because I know what they prefer/expect but there's still what instinct is telling me they are(voice cues, body type, facial structure, etc)or watching what I still perceive as a guy going into a women's washroom(or vice versa in both cases)...add in that I already have social issues and now I've got these kinds of weird thoughts/conflictions going on in my mind on top of that and I just find it all awkward. It sort of feels like gay/lesbian is straight to the point while transgender is this odd equation I'm constantly trying to compute/be ok with because I don't want to be rude in spite of myself. There are so many categories now between gender, sexuality, & types of relationships with polyamorous being quite the thing now too, it's all a lot I find. I'm on OkCupid again and the lists they've got on there for all of that...I've never even heard of most of those terms before so I don't know what most of them mean, and all of this extends down to kids of the youngest ages now as well...Maybe I'm just an old school dinosaur in a new school world, who knows. I get that people have to live as is true to themselves but just because in principle I agree with the rights of everyone to do so doesn't mean that when I encounter it in action it's water off a ducks back to me
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Transgender costs for the military are about $9 million.

About $9 million is also how much it costs tax payers for Trump to play golf for 3 weekends.

Let's not take away Trump's right to golf over the next 3 weeks, okay Percy?
The reason he gave was pretty stupid.
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Loved watching them videos of him shouting support for lgbt and now this. You never really know what or who he supports. The fact he stated the financial impact as being so high as a reason when he spends so much on his unnecessary golf and trump tower security is laughable as well. Let's not forget the 5x more spent on Viagra in the military.

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The reason he gave was pretty stupid.
The slow regression to get back to the civil rights of the 1950s, when America was Great (straight, white, male-dominated)

The $7-9 million a year it costs for the transgender people to be in the military, is that attributed
to the potential of transgender-related surgical costs or something?

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Loved watching them videos of him shouting support for lgbt and now this. You never really know what or who he supports. The fact he stated the financial impact as being so high as a reason when he spends so much on his unnecessary golf and trump tower security is laughable as well. Let's not forget the 5x more spent on Viagra in the military.

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His political views can be summed up in one word: 'Opportunism'. His political agenda is dictated by Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Jeff Sessions (Sessions not quite so much these days). I'm almost certain Trump and Kushner have nothing against (or for) the lgbt community because they're neither an asset nor a liability to them personally, it's all Bannon. Here in America he's often referred to as President Bannon.
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The slow regression to get back to the civil rights of the 1950s, when America was Great (straight, white, male-dominated)

The $7-9 million a year it costs for the transgender people to be in the military, is that attributed
to the potential of transgender-related surgical costs or something?
I think so and it would be ongoing hrt (hormones,) as well. I was wondering if the US military/government actually funded that. When I was looking into it briefly before I found that they didn't use to fund that, but under the Obama administration they were thinking about funding it, but I wasn't sure if that started happening or not. I found this though which suggests they started doing that in late 2016:

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There are between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender troops in the active-duty force of 1.3 million, according the RAND Corp. which conducted a study for the Pentagon. Of those troops, RAND estimates that between 30 and 140 would like hormone treatment, and 25 to 130 would seek surgery.

1,320 - 6,630 is a lot more than I thought, and they make up a much larger percentage than in the UK. Which is curious and I wonder if it has something to do with culture or how transpeople are documented (probably the latter,) since it says only 30-140 want hormone treatment, and 25-130 surgery. That's also the number that will be costing them anything btw.

If it's that much of a problem they could just get people to fund it themselves privately (but I don't think it is because their budget is gigantic,) that's what most transpeople in the US are doing anyway right now, because most people get private healthcare. It seems really odd to just say 'nope, no transpeople are allowed at all in any capacity'
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I think so and it would be ongoing hrt (hormones,) as well. I was wondering if the US military/government actually funded that. When I was looking into it briefly before I found that they didn't use to fund that, but under the Obama administration they were thinking about funding it, but I wasn't sure if that started happening or not. I found this though which suggests they started doing that in late 2016:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ents/91218672/




1,320 - 6,630 is a lot more than I thought, and they make up a much larger percentage than in the UK. Which is curious and I wonder if it has something to do with culture or how transpeople are documented (probably the latter,) since it says only 30-140 want hormone treatment, and 25-130 surgery. That's also the number that will be costing them anything btw.

If it's that much of a problem they could just get people to fund it themselves privately (but I don't think it is because their budget is gigantic,) that's what most transpeople in the US are doing anyway right now, because most people get private healthcare. It seems really odd to just say 'nope, no transpeople are allowed at all in any capacity'
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Being a non-celebrity transgender person in America requires being strong-willed and also a lot of bravery. Maybe it's a bad idea for a military which is currently struggling to get volunteers to drop thousands of volunteers who are innately strong-willed and brave? I don't know, I'm not an expert.

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