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If Maduro is actually a dictator then how is Guido walking around free doing anti-Maduro demonstrations? The military still answers to Maduro, so wouldn't a dictator use the military to come down hard on a dissident?
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If Maduro is actually a dictator then how is Guido walking around free doing anti-Maduro demonstrations? The military still answers to Maduro, so wouldn't a dictator use the military to come down hard on a dissident?
Several of Guido's people have been arrested but Guido is walking around free. Just doesn't make sense.

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Several of Guido's people have been arrested but Guido is walking around free. Just doesn't make sense.
I think it's because Maduro isn't a dictator and never was. Although Guaido announced himself the new President despite the fact that 80% of Venezuelans hadn't ever even heard of him. That's a bit weird.
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People still take socialism seriously, after a century and hundreds experiments resulting exclusively in spectacular failures? Eh...
Because "free" stuff.

Free stuff! Free stuff! Greedy capitalist are keeping us from getting free stuff!!!

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Because "free" stuff.

Free stuff! Free stuff! Greedy capitalist are keeping us from getting free stuff!!!
That's a very ignorant take and just plain intellectually lazy. Reducing socialism down to "Free stuff" is not only inaccurate on a fundamental level but it's offensive to workers. You can't be a socialist if you don't have a job, socialism is about empowering workers.

I don't want this to be too big of a shock to you but things like 'Healthcare and education as a human right'.....has nothing to do with socialism. Shocking, I know!
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If Maduro is actually a dictator then how is Guido walking around free doing anti-Maduro demonstrations? The military still answers to Maduro, so wouldn't a dictator use the military to come down hard on a dissident?
Imagine what would happen if Maduro had him aced out. It wouldn't exactly make him look good now, would it?

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That's a very ignorant take and just plain intellectually lazy. Reducing socialism down to "Free stuff" is not only inaccurate on a fundamental level but it's offensive to workers. You can't be a socialist if you don't have a job, socialism is about empowering workers.

I don't want this to be too big of a shock to you but things like 'Healthcare and education as a human right'.....has nothing to do with socialism. Shocking, I know!
Why? The lie seems to be working on many people!

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I think it's because Maduro isn't a dictator and never was. Although Guaido announced himself the new President despite the fact that 80% of Venezuelans hadn't ever even heard of him. That's a bit weird.
Anyone who has complete control over the country's oil instead of the companies is not exactly a "free world" leader.


France and Cuba are other examples of this wonderful plan Bernie has for America. Cuba has actually allowed Internet companies to start up instead of having the Government run monopoly that filters everything a.k.a. China.

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Why? The lie seems to be working on many people!
I have actually researched what socialism is including source material, I haven't been told what it is.

Anytime I've heard you talk about socialism it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Regarding your comments about Maduro, it's also clear you don't know much at all about Venezuela, it's history, it's leaders, or it's economy.
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I have actually researched what socialism is including source material, I haven't been told what it is.

Anytime I've heard you talk about socialism it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Regarding your comments about Maduro, it's also clear you don't know much at all about Venezuela, it's history, it's leaders, or it's economy.
It's not hard to notice that Venezuela has been a mess since Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez, took leadership. It's been even more of a mess with Maduro. Mass migration out of the country is not a good sign, especially when you have people in our country wanting to take them in for a vote or two.


Socialism isn't going to work especially with the debt we already have. He would be met with enough opposition to be defeated.

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It's not hard to notice that Venezuela has been a mess since Maduro's predecessor, Hugo Chavez, took leadership. It's been even more of a mess with Maduro. Mass migration out of the country is not a good sign, especially when you have people in our country wanting to take them in for a vote or two.


Socialism isn't going to work especially with the debt we already have. He would be met with enough opposition to be defeated.
Again, your takes on both issues are way off.
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Again, your takes on both issues are way off.

The man threatens his people like Saddam Hussein sans dipping people in acid! He's run off with all the money and left his people with milk that could require a loan in most countries.


If inflation is as bad as it is there, something isn't right.

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The man threatens his people like Saddam Hussein sans dipping people in acid! He's run off with all the money and left his people with milk that could require a loan in most countries.


If inflation is as bad as it is there, something isn't right.
The situation there is bad, and Maduro isn't a great leader. But chalking it up to "socialism" is false and also childishly simplistic. There are a lot of different factors going into the economic downturn there but 'socialism' isn't one of them.
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Remember how in late 90-s Bernie was all excited about Chavez' socialist experiment, claiming that Venezuela would be richer than the US in a couple of decades?

Well, he was right on one count: Venezuelans are richer indeed. Most of them have billions old Venezuelan dollars, and they are so well off that they can afford lighting fires with them to cook food!

I'm excited for Bernie to reproduce the success here. Always wanted to be a billionaire.
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Venezuela absolutely would be a flourishing nation right now if it weren't for US/UK interference. It seems like our long history of screwing w/ Latin American countries over the last couple hundred years would make this obvious, but apparently not. What we've been doing to VZ the last couple years is the same thing we've done to other countries down there for decades so I'm not going to give a history lesson about our dealings w/ Venezuela since we all have the internet.

Our government has many reasons to overthrow Maduro, and no it isn't to help the poor Venezuelans and it sure as hell isn't to "spread democracy" (btw how are we supposed to spread what we ourselves don't have..)

Venezuela is sitting on some extremely rare natural resources, not just the largest proven oil reserve in the world, as well as a literal goldmine, diamonds, etc, but they're also a source of a number of rare earth minerals. Right now China is virtually our only source of certain minerals that are essential for not only our ability to manufacture weapons (as well as other electronics) but they're also essential for our military to continue functioning. VZ is the other source of those minerals. VZ is also one of our few sources of heavy crude oil, the Koch brothers only deal in that kind of oil so they have a vested interest in this as well as other corporations like Monsanto wanting to open up the market down there.

When a small country has what we want, what do we do, ask nicely for it?
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Evil Americans and British, hacking into Chavez' brain and forcing him to expropriate everything and bankrupt the economy. I knew that! High five, comrade!
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That's a very ignorant take and just plain intellectually lazy. Reducing socialism down to "Free stuff" is not only inaccurate on a fundamental level but it's offensive to workers. You can't be a socialist if you don't have a job, socialism is about empowering workers.
Well socialists are the experts on lazy.

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I don't want this to be too big of a shock to you but things like 'Healthcare and education as a human right'.....has nothing to do with socialism. Shocking, I know!
Yes it does. Somebody has to pay for all this "free" crap.

Work a little bit harder on improving your low self-esteem, you stupid freak.
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