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Fascism or Socialism


Which would you rather have: Trump's fascism or Bernie Sander's socialism, you decide

And I always thought this would be
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Oh but I came to find out that it's
all hate and money
And there's a canopy of greed holding me down.
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They're basically the same thing.

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They're basically the same thing.
Socialism deals with a decentralization of power and democratically run communities and workplaces. Fascism has centralized power and top-down hierarchical power structures. They're literally opposites.
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i'd rather have andy1984's fascism.

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We should choose crimeclub's anarcho-syndicalism. could be cool.
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We should choose crimeclub's anarcho-syndicalism. could be cool.

it sounds cool. but its not a poll option

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Well Trump isn't actually a fascist and I think we should terraform another planet, and then when I can be bothered I might add to this post.

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It's like the Red Scare never ended in this country smh...

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Socialism deals with a decentralization of power and democratically run communities and workplaces. Fascism has centralized power and top-down hierarchical power structures. They're literally opposites.
Government control of the economy is fascism.

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Government control of the economy is fascism.
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Fascism operated from a social Darwinist view of human relations and their aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak. In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class.
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Government control of the economy is fascism.
When corporate interests merge with the government leaving the workers powerless, that's fascism. Though it sounds like you're implying that socialism is when the government controls the economy, that's a common misconception but socialism is what I said earlier, decentralized power (no central government) and democratically run communities and workplaces, it can't get further from fascism than that.
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Yeah it is bizarre how many people don't get this.

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I choose Thomas Jefferson's capitalist democratic republic. Enough political experiments that always result in mass starvation and labour camps.

That said, Trump is not a fascist, and Sanders is not a socialist. They are both shrewd businessmen selling empty promises to gullible people.
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Ok it's a trick question because Trump's fascism also includes socialism for the rich and for rich corporations and fascism for the poor and middle class.

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Ok it's a trick question because Trump's fascism also includes socialism for the rich and for rich corporations and fascism for the poor and middle class.
Or as Rev King said

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how about Plato's republic? lol

Democratus' democracy

Stalin's stalinism

Castro's communism

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I struggle to realize these things in a this or that sort of way. A fascist can have any agenda. A fascist enforces the will behind its power. A fascist believes that a pure end justifies the means. Fascist can be left or right wing in their ideology. A fascist can have any message or stance, but they will all deliver it the same way without integrity and zero tolerance for resistance or opposing views. They all use the same tactics. We already have aspects socialism in effect for our most vulnerable people, but fascism is something we need to resist while we still have the faculties to do so. We are probably too spoiled and too far gone.
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That said, Trump is not a fascist, and Sanders is not a socialist. They are both shrewd businessmen selling empty promises to gullible people.
I feel like his election and presidency might have set the stage for the rise of fascism. It's not the person but the representation of the country and the abandonment and erosion of the values behind our framework. It happens every time because we just don't discipline our spawn enough, I guess. We get lazy and spoiled, but good riddance to old dogs and super powers that don't belong in charge anymore. It's the circle of life I guess. At the end of the day we're all just people.
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When corporate interests merge with the government leaving the workers powerless, that's fascism.
Definitely. That's why government needs to be kept away from the economy.

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Though it sounds like you're implying that socialism is when the government controls the economy, that's a common misconception but socialism is what I said earlier, decentralized power (no central government) and democratically run communities and workplaces, it can't get further from fascism than that.
Socialism is an economic system that needs to be enforced by government. Centralized government doesn't decentralize power, it consolidates it.

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Definitely. That's why government needs to be kept away from the economy.
The government planning the economy (I'm assuming you're implying right there) isn't fascism, that's called communism, fascism is when corporate interests take power including taking power of the government leaving the people powerless. That's one major aspect of it at least.


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Socialism is an economic system that needs to be enforced by government. Centralized government doesn't decentralize power, it consolidates it.
That's false, why are you trying to tell a socialist what socialism is, it doesn't require the government.
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