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Fascism in the US


When people talk about the growing threat of fascism I don't think they're being hyperbolic but I think some of them are coming at it from the wrong angle. A lot of people ascribe it to the GOP and some people even seem to think it's a Trump thing and if we get him out of office and replace him with a Biden or a Kamala Harris it will be a return to "normalcy".

The threat of fascism in the US has been a long time coming, the end of WW2 might have been a temporary end of it in parts of the world but it could be argued the end of WW2 is when the current growing threat of fascism is when it first found it's roots.

During economic depressions people are angry, confused, and are looking for answers, that's when it's easy for a firebrand right-winger to preach nationalism and blame immigrants or 'others' as being the cause of the problem. I'm not just talking about Hitler and I'm not just talking about Trump, I'm saying historically that's a pretty common reaction to economic turmoil. That's the way parts of Europe went during the 20s and 30s, but during the Great Depression the US went a different direction.

A lot of liberals like to romanticize FDR and think of him as a progressive God who descended down to America to help the millions of downtrodden people during the Great Depression. Which isn't the case at all. During that time in our country we had a strong leftwing political apparatus, among other parties we had 2 strong socialist parties and strong communist party, we had strong unions, etc, basically workers had power and they also had a knowledge of their options. Once the depression hit, the communist and socialist parties, the unions, and the people in general forced FDR to turn his back on the corporations and the rich and become a president of the people. He didn't have a choice. By the time WW2 ended it was basically the revenge of the corporations, they demonized the word 'socialism', imprisoned anyone who had any connections to any leftwing politics, started busting unions, yadda yadda the whole 'red scare'.

Basically the political organizations we had that got us out of the Great Depression were and are destroyed, the knowledge of leftwing politics we had was not only lost but completely demonized w/ anti left propaganda, even to this day the majority of Americans don't know what 'socialism' is but they're so confident in their claims that it's bad, undemocratic, unAmerican, and probably also evil.

Economic fascism is when people have lost all their worker power and rights and when things turn for the worst economically speaking they have no actual power to determine what the country will do next like we did in the 30s with FDR, and instead, the corporations make the decisions, a total corporate-capture of the government, leading to a lot of powerless and f***ed over citizens. It's been a slow boil but as a country we've been willingly heading in that direction for decades.

After WW2 corporations/the rich did away with us even having a knowledge of left-wing politics, that's why we think Bill Clinton was on the left, and Bernie Sanders is on the extreme far left (but anywhere in Europe Bill Clinton is center-right and Bernie Sanders is center-left) In the 80s we as a country basically adopted an ideology that openly says 'Corporations will come up with the solutions to our problems', not just the Republican party, but the Democratic party too, Bill Clinton and Obama both played a huge role in helping to further consolidate power into the hands of the rich. The Democratic party is as complicit as the Republican party. Every election cycle the last 40 years the GOP moves further right and the Democratic party never poses a real opposition, they try to capitulate and at the very best they'll "resist", not even try to regain ground towards the left, Dems have been taking the ride w/ the GOP to the right for the last half century.

In capitalism, when there's a recession the people don't just naturally recover, most Americans have yet to recover from the 2008 recession, and by many accounts we're headed for another one in 2020, at least according to the banks, and if the banks are admitting it...I'll take their word for it. So a country full of people still waiting for a recovery from the last recession and quickly facing an even bigger recession soon, we've given up all our worker rights, like 5% of the country is unionized, we're all still scared of 'socialism', and we've elected a firebrand leader promoting nationalism and demonizing immigrants because they're somehow a big part of why we're struggling apparently.

What could go wrong?

tl;dr: We're f***ed.
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What I always find confusing about politics is that there are elections every 4 years. So if the democrats win next year will all the work or destruction (I'm keeping it in the middle) of Trump and the Republicans be in vain? What can one or one's party accomplish in a mere 4 years?
Let's say Bernie wins the elections will he erase all the things Trump changed, for example the Iran nuclear deal? Will the hostilities with Iran immediately cease?

I'm probably a communist by saying this but at least Xi Jinping or Poetin get time to change or let a country progress and grow. I never really understood democracy. One party wins the elections then they have to find a coalition with the parties that lost the elections, doesn't make sense to me. Where I live the 2 biggest parties will probably be left out of the coalition by the losing parties because they form a majority and don't want the 2 biggest parties in the government. So the votes of the majority of the people are basically in vain...
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What I always find confusing about politics is that there are elections every 4 years. So if the democrats win next year will all the work or destruction (I'm keeping it in the middle) of Trump and the Republicans be in vain? What can one or one's party accomplish in a mere 4 years?
Let's say Bernie wins the elections will he erase all the things Trump changed, for example the Iran nuclear deal? Will the hostilities with Iran immediately cease?

I'm probably a communist by saying this but at least Xi Jinping or Poetin get time to change or let a country progress and grow. I never really understood democracy. One party wins the elections then they have to find a coalition with the parties that lost the elections, doesn't make sense to me. Where I live the 2 biggest parties will probably be left out of the coalition by the losing parties because they form a majority and don't want the 2 biggest parties in the government. So the votes of the majority of the people are basically in vain...
In this country most things that are good for the people are temporary and/or easily wiped out, anything that's good for corporations, the rich, and the government itself usually persist and builds with each president, and there's never much pressure to get rid of any of them, and if there is strong pressure from the people to get rid of something then it's still not very likely.

And I'm not just being cynical when I say that, it's pretty much how it is, even the things that have the highest approval rating among the people like Social Security or Medicare is always running the risk of getting defunded, always by the Republicans, and if the Democrats are in power there are enough sh**ty Democrats to still make it a risk.
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I think people in western countries generally have it too good to really protest so nothing much changes. The middle class which is the majority is having a decent life so why protest? Riots (for change) are almost non existant and when they occur it's usually just a bunch of young hot heads that like to cause a stir or a minority.
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I think people in western countries generally have it too good to really protest so nothing much changes. The middle class which is the majority is having a decent life so why protest? Riots (for change) are almost non existant and when they occur it's usually just a bunch of young hot heads that like to cause a stir or a minority.
We don't really have the middle class that we used to at this point, but we do have riots and strikes constantly, but they never get any coverage on tv, so they don't seem like they're happening.
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