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His popularity obviously came from the results he was achieving, which I guess was good enough for the German population. He (i.e. his party) managed to turn around the economy in record time, and so his methods could only be logically approved by the beneficiaries. Especially within a culture that strongly believes in efficiency and order.
I think this is kind of the answer of the thread.

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In conclusion I think you're all wrong it's not fear or stupidity that allows these sort of crimes. It's the belief of moral superiority that allows people to excuse themselves from vile acts that in their mind is justifiable.
Yeah I think many people often hold the belief of moral superiority to positively reinforce themselves, but lack the motivation to carry forth it themselves unless they have a that someone to help push them and inspire them to carry forward. In Hitler's case, he is the charismatic motivation and inspirational leader in doing so.
Also kind of a similar thing with North Korea regime now, but instead of a charismatic leader, it is mostly a regime that thrives on fear and punishment if they don't conform.

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I highly recommend reading some left wing literature of the time, they very much warned of everything that was coming to pass, and gave pretty insightful views on it.
You can find a lot of good stuff here dating back to the 1920s; https://www.marxists.org/subject/fascism/index.htm

Clare Zetkin showed a good understanding of the rise of fascism in 1923;
"Fascism is a characteristic symptom of decay in this period, an expression of the ongoing dissolution of the capitalist economy and the decomposition of the bourgeois state. Fascism is rooted above all in the impact of the imperialist war and the heightened and accelerated dislocation of the capitalist economy that it caused among broad layers of the small and middle bourgeoisie, the small peasantry, and the “intelligentsia.” This process dashed the hopes of these layers by demolishing their previous conditions of life and the degree of security they had previously enjoyed. Many in these social layers are also disillusioned regarding their vague expectations of a profound improvement in society through reformist socialism."

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I highly recommend reading some left wing literature of the time, they very much warned of everything that was coming to pass, and gave pretty insightful views on it.
You can find a lot of good stuff here dating back to the 1920s; https://www.marxists.org/subject/fascism/index.htm

Clare Zetkin showed a good understanding of the rise of fascism in 1923;
"Fascism is a characteristic symptom of decay in this period, an expression of the ongoing dissolution of the capitalist economy and the decomposition of the bourgeois state. Fascism is rooted above all in the impact of the imperialist war and the heightened and accelerated dislocation of the capitalist economy that it caused among broad layers of the small and middle bourgeoisie, the small peasantry, and the “intelligentsia.” This process dashed the hopes of these layers by demolishing their previous conditions of life and the degree of security they had previously enjoyed. Many in these social layers are also disillusioned regarding their vague expectations of a profound improvement in society through reformist socialism."


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In the Marxist view, the problem is not the attitude of the outside world, but rather in the essence of Judaism, which is according to Marx, "Huckstering and its preconditions" and which is is an intrinsic part of Judaism, found in the "Penateuch and the Talmud." We can recognize that all of the above are vulgar racism of the worst sort. It suited Marx, whose grandfather was a rabbi, to believe that his conversion and assimilation had eliminated these obnoxious traits from his own character. The communist revolution would magically solve the Jewish problem, just as it would magically solve everything else.
The left was certainly not the sole source of Jew-hate in Europe. Rather, hatred of the Jews colored every aspect of European culture. If there was an enlightenment movement, it had to be tinged with Jew-Hate, since the people who made it up, especially Voltaire, hated Jews. If there was a nationalist movement, it had to be anti-Semitic too. On the left, Marx was certainly not the sole source of anti-Semitism, nor the most virulent. In a foretaste of Nazi ideology, the leading French socialist, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, wrote in 1847:
This race poisons everything by meddling everywhere without ever joining itself to another people. Demand their expulsion from France, with the exception of individuals married to Frenchwomen. Abolish the synagogues; do not admit them to any kind of employment, pursue finally the abolition of this cult... The Jew is the enemy of the human race. One must send this race back to Asia or exterminate it... By fire or fusion or by expulsion, the Jew must disappear... What the peoples of the middle ages hated by instinct I hate upon reflection and irrevocably.
Mikhail Bakhunin, the anarchist, wrote:
When I insist on speaking frankly in expressing my ultimate opinion on the Jews, I know that I am thereby exposing myself to terrible danger. Many people share my viewpoint regarding the Jews, although very few are found to be willing to express that viewpoint in public, due to the fact that the Jewish sect constitutes a mighty force in Europe today. The Jewish sect reigns despotically in commerce, in banking, it has seized control of three-quarters of German journalism, and it has grabbed a huge portion of the journalistic trade in other countries as well. Woe, then, to that man who has the clumsiness to rub Jewry the wrong way! (Study of the German Jews, 1869)
The notion that it is necessary to placate the supposedly all-powerful Jews, and that those who criticize Jews or Israel are subject to terrible imaginary persecutions, permeates anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist propaganda, where it is always, paradoxically, embedded in the most demoniacal accusations against Jews or Zionists. Of course, Bakhunin did not heed his own advice, and was singularly unafraid to "rub Jewry the wrong way." Bakhunin criticized Marx because Marx was Jewish.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/Ma...tisemitism.htm

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The Great Purge or the Great Terror (Russian: Большой террор) was a campaign of political repression in the Soviet Union which occurred from 1936 to 1938.[6] It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of kulaks (affluent peasants) and the Red Army leadership, widespread police surveillance, suspicion of saboteurs, counter-revolutionaries, imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.[7][8] Historians estimate the total number of deaths due to Stalinist repression in 1937–38 to be between 680,000 and 1,200,000[1][2] In the Western world, Robert Conquest's 1968 book The Great Terror popularized that phrase. Conquest's title was in turn an allusion to the period called the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution (French: la Terreur, and, from June to July 1794, la Grande Terreur, the Great Terror).[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

of course there's also holdomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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I'm looking through the sections regarding the Soviet Union, anti-semitism, and anti-zionism and I'm seeing a lot of stuff that's been debunked by Jewish writers and historians over the last 100 years, not all of it but a decent amount of it. Btw a website called zionist-israel probably isn't going to be your best source for info on the history of Jews and Marxism. If you're actually interested in this I can recommend dozens of sources of info provided by Jewish people from back then in the 1920s to today.
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I'm looking through the sections regarding the Soviet Union, anti-semitism, and anti-zionism and I'm seeing a lot of stuff that's been debunked by Jewish writers and historians over the last 100 years, not all of it but a decent amount of it. Btw a website called zionist-israel probably isn't going to be your best source for info on the history of Jews and Marxism. If you're actually interested in this I can recommend dozens of sources of info provided by Jewish people from back then in the 1920s to today.
In the perfect collective there is only one god, and jewish peoples are not culturally suitable to worship that god.

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Not all Jewish people are religious are even if they were, don't necessarily practice it.
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I highly recommend reading some left wing literature of the time, they very much warned of everything that was coming to pass, and gave pretty insightful views on it.
You can find a lot of good stuff here dating back to the 1920s; https://www.marxists.org/subject/fascism/index.htm

Clare Zetkin showed a good understanding of the rise of fascism in 1923;
"Fascism is a characteristic symptom of decay in this period, an expression of the ongoing dissolution of the capitalist economy and the decomposition of the bourgeois state. Fascism is rooted above all in the impact of the imperialist war and the heightened and accelerated dislocation of the capitalist economy that it caused among broad layers of the small and middle bourgeoisie, the small peasantry, and the “intelligentsia.” This process dashed the hopes of these layers by demolishing their previous conditions of life and the degree of security they had previously enjoyed. Many in these social layers are also disillusioned regarding their vague expectations of a profound improvement in society through reformist socialism."


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In the Marxist view, the problem is not the attitude of the outside world, but rather in the essence of Judaism, which is according to Marx, "Huckstering and its preconditions" and which is is an intrinsic part of Judaism, found in the "Penateuch and the Talmud." We can recognize that all of the above are vulgar racism of the worst sort. It suited Marx, whose grandfather was a rabbi, to believe that his conversion and assimilation had eliminated these obnoxious traits from his own character. The communist revolution would magically solve the Jewish problem, just as it would magically solve everything else.
The left was certainly not the sole source of Jew-hate in Europe. Rather, hatred of the Jews colored every aspect of European culture. If there was an enlightenment movement, it had to be tinged with Jew-Hate, since the people who made it up, especially Voltaire, hated Jews. If there was a nationalist movement, it had to be anti-Semitic too. On the left, Marx was certainly not the sole source of anti-Semitism, nor the most virulent. In a foretaste of Nazi ideology, the leading French socialist, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, wrote in 1847:
This race poisons everything by meddling everywhere without ever joining itself to another people. Demand their expulsion from France, with the exception of individuals married to Frenchwomen. Abolish the synagogues; do not admit them to any kind of employment, pursue finally the abolition of this cult... The Jew is the enemy of the human race. One must send this race back to Asia or exterminate it... By fire or fusion or by expulsion, the Jew must disappear... What the peoples of the middle ages hated by instinct I hate upon reflection and irrevocably.
Mikhail Bakhunin, the anarchist, wrote:
When I insist on speaking frankly in expressing my ultimate opinion on the Jews, I know that I am thereby exposing myself to terrible danger. Many people share my viewpoint regarding the Jews, although very few are found to be willing to express that viewpoint in public, due to the fact that the Jewish sect constitutes a mighty force in Europe today. The Jewish sect reigns despotically in commerce, in banking, it has seized control of three-quarters of German journalism, and it has grabbed a huge portion of the journalistic trade in other countries as well. Woe, then, to that man who has the clumsiness to rub Jewry the wrong way! (Study of the German Jews, 1869)
The notion that it is necessary to placate the supposedly all-powerful Jews, and that those who criticize Jews or Israel are subject to terrible imaginary persecutions, permeates anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist propaganda, where it is always, paradoxically, embedded in the most demoniacal accusations against Jews or Zionists. Of course, Bakhunin did not heed his own advice, and was singularly unafraid to "rub Jewry the wrong way." Bakhunin criticized Marx because Marx was Jewish.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/Ma...tisemitism.htm

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The Great Purge or the Great Terror (Russian: Большой террор) was a campaign of political repression in the Soviet Union which occurred from 1936 to 1938.[6] It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of kulaks (affluent peasants) and the Red Army leadership, widespread police surveillance, suspicion of saboteurs, counter-revolutionaries, imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.[7][8] Historians estimate the total number of deaths due to Stalinist repression in 1937–38 to be between 680,000 and 1,200,000[1][2] In the Western world, Robert Conquest's 1968 book The Great Terror popularized that phrase. Conquest's title was in turn an allusion to the period called the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution (French: la Terreur, and, from June to July 1794, la Grande Terreur, the Great Terror).[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

of course there's also holdomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Is your issue that the Jews were quite rich.
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Propoganda (look at posters, etc). He made them out that culture to be nasty, big nosed, corrupt. Which for some familes of that culture is true. Basically by that culture doing those corruptu acts it just reinforced his propoganda.

Just listen to these soldiers to see what I mean about how they were affected by the propoganda and how they viewed Stalin, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20

Not hard to understand how it got so big. They thought they were removing the world of evil that would hurt people of their own country. Probably not far from the truth, but wrong way théy did it.

Allies used reverse propoganda stating they were that, evil.

Both sides think are doing right in their own way.

Allies just had more men, resources is to why they won.

Same propoganda being used in the US elections, etc. Just some might not notice it.
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. Totally, the mentality
Just look at what Stalins troops did in retaliation for invading Russia to German citizens and it's not hard to understand that it just reinforced what they were told and wasn't far from the truth.

Two wrongs don't make a right as they say.
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Is your issue that the Jews were quite rich.
No? Anti-semitism was rampant among marxist as well and they also committed genocide. That was my only point.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Hitler wasn't the first to inspire thousands of people to do horrible things and he won't be the last. In fact the exact same thing is happening as we speak with ISIS. They have thousands of die hard followers who would massacre anyone on the spot who isn't living by their rules and believes.
Humans are stupid.
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Hitler wasn't the first to inspire thousands of people to do horrible things and he won't be the last. In fact the exact same thing is happening as we speak with ISIS. They have thousands of die hard followers who would massacre anyone on the spot who isn't living by their rules and believes.
It's happening in the US too. Thanks to trump's racist rhetoric and hate speeches, domestic terrorism by conservatives has killed hundreds of Americans.
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It's happening in the US too. Thanks to trump's racist rhetoric and hate speeches, domestic terrorism by conservatives has killed hundreds of Americans.
Child rapists on the left, murderers on the right... What do?

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Child rapists on the left, murderers on the right... What do?
What makes you say Mormons are the left?
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What makes you say Mormons are the left?
How else are they supposed to legalize polygamy and statuary rape?

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How else are they supposed to legalize polygamy and statuary rape?
Which conservative rag is telling you this alternative fact?
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'The left' will always favour monogamy over polygyny. But I'm not sure if the last several posts are jokes.

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They might instead be interested in the bolded part.

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They might instead be interested in the bolded part.
I know I am.

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It's happening in the US too. Thanks to trump's racist rhetoric and hate speeches, domestic terrorism by conservatives has killed hundreds of Americans.
Give it a rest. It was worse under Obama - actual riots. The leftovers are now sitting in the middle of college football stadiums protesting climate change......causing an hour delay in the game and the teams had to play in near darkness. Yeah, that make a lot of sense, but it happened Saturday at the Harvard/Yale game.


Trump had nothing to do with that incident.
Calling Conservatives "domestic terrorists" is exactly what CNN wants you to do.

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Give it a rest. It was worse under Obama - actual riots. The leftovers are now sitting in the middle of college football stadiums protesting climate change......causing an hour delay in the game and the teams had to play in near darkness. Yeah, that make a lot of sense, but it happened Saturday at the Harvard/Yale game.


Trump had nothing to do with that incident.
Calling Conservatives "domestic terrorists" is exactly what CNN wants you to do.
I don't recall domestic terrorism being a problem during the previous administration, nor hundreds of Americans being slaughtered by conservative terrorists, nor the FBI warning Americans against white supremacist terrorism nor the POTUS calling white supremacists good people. This is the mess traitor trump has caused. And yes, these are things CNN wants us to think this because the world saw them as they happened.
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