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Does Hitler Scare you ? How could one man cause such a disaster ?


Sometimes I catch myself thinking about the holocaust.

Do you know what scares me the most about the Holocaust ?
It's not Hitler himself. Hitler was just one man.

What scares me is that Hitler was able to convince an entire nation to partake in widespread genocide.

I mean seriously how can one man cause the deaths of millions ? He certainly can't do it on his own.

People always talk about how Evil Hitler was...but I often can't help but think ..."what about all the people that carried out the executions on his behalf ? what is their excuse ?"

When I think about it ...this is why the charge of "inciting violence" is something I think should always be taken seriously.
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I think the whole Hitler thing is so typical of what's wrong, TBH. Hitler was just some crazy dude who happened to be just good enough at public speaking to persuade the soft-headed masses into mindlessly following him down the path to insanity.

WW2 was not caused by Hitler. It was caused by mass stupidity. Hitler is a scapegoat for all the morons who followed him. We can't admit that Democracy could cause something so terrible. The idea that people are basically good is too close to the epicenter of how this happened for comfort.

If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of one man, you can have a Hitler. If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of the masses, you can have a Hitler. If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of scholars and experts (Technocracy - Which is more like what we actually have now), you can still have a Hitler (Because scholars and experts can still be zealots).

So I'm afraid of crowds. Good luck solving that problem.

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What frustrates me is...I just cannot understand how one man could convince so many people into such senseless violence !

Basically the Nazi phenomenon is mystery to me.
And it scares me...I wonder...if something like this were to happen again...would we even see it coming before its too late ?
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What frustrates me is...I just cannot understand how one man could convince so many people into such senseless violence !

Basically the Nazi phenomenon is mystery to me.
And it scares me...I wonder...if something like this were to happen again...would we even see it coming before its too late ?
Actually, it isn't much of a mystery. If you take a group of 20 people from all walks of life and you ask them a question and you listen carefully to each one of them, it's reasonably likely that you will find at least one person who is fairly intelligent and thoughtful and sane.

If you take a group of ten million people and you ask them to check the yes box or the no box, you get a collective opinion that is the intellectual equivalent of a coin toss.

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Experiments explaining it was done back in the '60s. Today, we see this being practiced on the far right.

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I think the whole Hitler thing is so typical of what's wrong, TBH. Hitler was just some crazy dude who happened to be just good enough at public speaking to persuade the soft-headed masses into mindlessly following him down the path to insanity.

WW2 was not caused by Hitler. It was caused by mass stupidity. Hitler is a scapegoat for all the morons who followed him. We can't admit that Democracy could cause something so terrible. The idea that people are basically good is too close to the epicenter of how this happened for comfort.

If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of one man, you can have a Hitler. If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of the masses, you can have a Hitler. If you have a system that defers to the wisdom of scholars and experts (Technocracy - Which is more like what we actually have now), you can still have a Hitler (Because scholars and experts can still be zealots).

So I'm afraid of crowds.
I too think it is so easy to blame the holocaust on Hitler....I think that it is a mistake ...blaming the Holocaust on Hitler prevents us from evolving as a species....because Hitler didn't kill all those people himself...it was the masses of German people who for whatever reason blindly followed him

Unless we address this and really start teaching critical thinking in schools ...I think we are destined to repeat.

@nubly ....the way American Politics is now..a good enough republican or democrat could start a riot if he really wanted to...there are more than enough idiots on both sides to cause tragedy.
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Sometimes I catch myself thinking about the holocaust.

Do you know what scares me the most about the Holocaust ?
It's not Hitler himself. Hitler was just one man.

What scares me is that Hitler was able to convince an entire nation to partake in widespread genocide.

I mean seriously how can one man cause the deaths of millions ? He certainly can't do it on his own.

People always talk about how Evil Hitler was...but I often can't help but think ..."what about all the people that carried out the executions on his behalf ? what is their excuse ?"

When I think about it ...this is why the charge of "inciting violence" is something I think should always be taken seriously.
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Propoganda (look at posters, etc). He made out that culture to be nasty, big nosed, corrupt. Which for some familes of that culture is true. Basically by that culture doing those corrupt acts it just reinforced his propoganda.

Just listen to soldiers to see what I mean about how they were affected by the propoganda and how they viewed Stalin, etc.

Not hard to understand how it got so big. They thought they were removing the world of evil that would hurt people of their own country. Probably not far from the truth, but wrong way thy did it.

Allies used reverse propoganda stating they were that, evil.

Both sides think are doing right in their own way.

Allies just had more men, resources is to why they won.

Same propoganda being used in the US elections, etc. Just some might not notice it.
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Propoganda (look at posters, etc). He made them out that culture to be nasty, big nosed, corrupt. Which for some familes of that culture is true. Basically by that culture doing those corrupt acts it just reinforced his propoganda.

Just listen to these soldiers to see what I mean about how they were affected by the propoganda and how they viewed Stalin, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20

Not hard to understand how it got so big. They thought they were removing the world of evil that would hurt people of their own country. Probably not far from the truth, but wrong way thy did it.

Allies used reverse propoganda stating they were that, evil.

Both sides think are doing right in their own way.

Allies just had more men, resources is to why they won.

Same propoganda being used in the US elections, etc. Just some might not notice it.
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Experiments explaining it was done back in the '60s. Today, we see this being practiced on the far right.
It's more on the left.




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Does Hitler scare me? No, he pisses me off. Between him and Communism (ultra left), it tore up my family....literally.

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Germany was in SERIOUS trouble at the time. They were DEEP in debt, their money was worthless, they couldn't pay their reparations and people were suffering horribly. In comes the propaganda machine and somebody to (stupidly) blame all their troubles on and boom goes the dynamite.

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Germany was in SERIOUS trouble at the time. They were DEEP in debt, their money was worthless, they couldn't pay their reparations and people were suffering horribly. In comes the propaganda machine and somebody to (stupidly) blame all their troubles on and boom goes the dynamite.
Emotional vulnerability does not vindicate the masses for the fact they were so easily manipulated.

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Experiments explaining it was done back in the '60s. Today, we see this being practiced on the far right.
Honestly, I think it's being practiced every day by everyone. Everyone wants you to believe something, and everyone tries their very hardest to push that view on you. Eat less meat, don't drive since it's bad for the environment, give money to children in Africa, eat healthier, believe in and worship god, and so many other different political agendas people try to push on you, for and against these things and others, using TV, Social Media, flyers, spokes people and more.

These same people think the Jehova's witnesses are bad for knocking on your door from time to time, well, at least they didn't infiltrate my facebook account to push their agendas.

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Hitler was the cherry on top of all the things that was wrong with the world, and especially in Germany. He would never have found the opportunity to get to where he got if it wasn't for the suffering and plight that the people were feeling. He didn't create that.

His popularity obviously came from the results he was achieving, which I guess was good enough for the German population. He (i.e. his party) managed to turn around the economy in record time, and so his methods could only be logically approved by the beneficiaries. Especially within a culture that strongly believes in efficiency and order.

I figure at that point it becomes easier to fit/add pieces to the state bureaucracy and then get blinded to the damages it causes and justify them. At some point--the point where Hitler became a "villain"--the state bureaucracy became so big that it was the only game in town. Even if people opposed the system, they'd probably be shamed into following it and, eventually, threatened.

The only similarity I notice between then and now (or at least the main one) is the American aversion to socialism, particularly as the opposite to neoliberalism. Anyone who sides with it is "anti-american", anti-democratic, supporter of China/Russia, etc. The US population has acheived its success by following one system (capitalism/neoliberalism), and so that system is logically approved with no criticism whatsoever, or any realization of its damages. All you need now is a state of emergency so you can dish out more of what worked, capitalism/neoliberalism, and eliminate all opponents and races that don't go along with what the system indoctrinates.

of course, unlike Hitler's 3rd reich, nothing seems to be turning around the lives of the common population--in the US or anywhere these days. so a repeat doesn't look like it'll happen at this point in time.

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Oh boy.
They were aiming at corrupt people (evil), but didn't stop at just one culture.

Their scientist's learnt it was a genetic trait (handed down from generation to generation), hence the concentration camps and mass extermination.

From what I understand, can remember they had an idea to put them on an island. But they figured was too many of them, hence the final solution (concentration camps).
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Emotional vulnerability does not vindicate the masses for the fact they were so easily manipulated.
exactly.....when I think of the holocaust it makes me lose faith in humanity.

Because my country is in deep sh!!t a charismatic leader can influence us to commit mass murder on a whole race of people ?

How disappointing.
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exactly.....when I think of the holocaust it makes me lose faith in humanity.

Because my country is in deep sh!!t a charismatic leader can influence us to commit mass murder on a whole race of people ?

How disappointing.
In the US, it will not be ONE person that does it. I don't think a dictatorship will be the avenue to a "holocaust". It's going to be a unified philosophy of business, supported unanimously by the two-party system and the military. But I'm not sure who in America will be the sacrificial victims.

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No, Well a more philosophical approach, maybe sometimes old growth has to be cleared away to have new, have a wildfire every now & then, should we presume nature thinks more of us than dried out blades of grass or vegetation ripe for a spark, that is the question : /






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exactly.....when I think of the holocaust it makes me lose faith in humanity.

Because my country is in deep sh!!t a charismatic leader can influence us to commit mass murder on a whole race of people ?

How disappointing.
Now days most countries via laws (after ww2) put those types of corrupt people in jail.

The allies did identify corruption was a problem, hence introduction of human rights laws, changes in law in each country in regards to corruption, etc to help prevent it happening again.

Thy are still to this day fighting corruption.
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It's more on the left.
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Does Hitler scare me? No, he pisses me off. Between him and Communism (ultra left), it tore up my family....literally.
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Experiments explaining it was done back in the '60s. Today, we see this being practiced on the far right.

Milgram was full of crap. He neglected to include in his publications the fact that the people who went all the way in the experiment didn't actually believe the other person was real. The ones who did believe he was real were the ones who stopped the experiment. Effectively, the conclusions for the experiment were the opposite of what they should have been.



It was the same kind of experimental/reporting bias as for the famous Stanford prison experiment, where 'prison guards' were shown to act in cruel and depraved ways towards 'prisoners'. The researchers in that case actively encouraged the 'guards' to act that way. That makes the conclusions completely unsupportable.
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