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I'm unsure I get it because, most narcissist people would walk over someone else to meet their needs, while social anxious people tend to stay away and wait to take what's left after everyone's gone. so..... ??
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Not sure how Harry Potter came into this discussion, but I second with what that guy said. I was never into that movie/book series anyway.
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Not sure how Harry Potter came into this discussion, but I second with what that guy said. I was never into that movie/book series anyway.
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I haven't been following the discussion so far but tbh I don't see how the two could be connected. I can relate though as I've had my feelings of grandiosity during mania confused with narcissism before - it's a very strange feeling. You feel pretty much invincible and that you're superior to everyone else.

I distinctly remember walking through department stores and wondering why everyone wasn't staring at me. When I was younger and looked better some of them would be - so it re-enforced it. Very strange indeed.
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I haven't been following the discussion so far but tbh I don't see how the two could be connected. I can relate though as I've had my feelings of grandiosity during mania confused with narcissism before - it's a very strange feeling. You feel pretty much invincible and that you're superior to everyone else.

I distinctly remember walking through department stores and wondering why everyone wasn't staring at me. When I was younger and looked better some of them would be - so it re-enforced it. Very strange indeed.

There are a few types, covert narcissists in particular can be socially anxious. Obvs grandiose types wont suffer from it tho.
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The thing is that when none cares one becomes bitter and craving attention. I don't think we're narcissists. If we had been respected as normal people we probably wouldn't be killing ourselves (metaphorically or for real) to get attention, would we
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The thing is that when none cares one becomes bitter and craving attention. I don't think we're narcissists. If we had been respected as normal people we probably wouldn't be killing ourselves (metaphorically or for real) to get attention, would we

Not sure what you mean, but people with narcisssistic personality disorder are obvs human beings, and others are to blame for their issues.


Its a shame that the condition is very hard to treat, probably due to the fact that very few people who suffer from it are prepared to seek help.


I'm talking in general from what I have read, not from any personal experience.
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Not sure what you mean, but people with narcisssistic personality disorder are obvs human beings, and others are to blame for their issues.


Its a shame that the condition is very hard to treat, probably due to the fact that very few people who suffer from it are prepared to seek help.


I'm talking in general from what I have read, not from any personal experience.



I was actually talking about people with social anxiety that some would like to label as narcissists. I don't think we AS sufferers are actually narcissists (they exist, obviously) since it'd be really difficult to find a more selfless person than someone with social anxiety since we always put others first. If we didn't, would we be socially anxious? I doubt it. A narcissist is never a doormat contrary to the social anxiety sufferer....
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I was actually talking about people with social anxiety that some would like to label as narcissists. I don't think we AS sufferers are actually narcissists (they exist, obviously) since it'd be really difficult to find a more selfless person than someone with social anxiety since we always put others first. If we didn't, would we be socially anxious? I doubt it. A narcissist is never a doormat contrary to the social anxiety sufferer....

Ok, I dont think you would ever confuse someone with just SA as being a narcissist, far from it. There are specific traits for each that are very different.


Obvs, a narcissistic SA sufferer would show both behavioural traits.
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Im actually offended that you put me in the same category as a narcissist but the reality is most people in general are pretty screwed up but some thrive in our world better than others.

Both the socially anxious and narcissists are maladapted in regards to self-esteem. A narcissist has a deep need for excessive attention and admiration whereas someone with SA fears this attention.

Someone who is truly a peace within themselves doesn't require validation from others.

Unfortunately within our world of commerce, manipulation and influence, the narcissist seems to thrive and is financially rewarded. They often get the opportunity of making sh1tloads of money. They even get to share a small amount of their wealth with the "poor" to feel even better within themselves. Collectively we define this as "success".
Why are you offended by just me asking a question? [Staff Edit]. Other than that I agree with your points.

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I was actually talking about people with social anxiety that some would like to label as narcissists. I don't think we AS sufferers are actually narcissists (they exist, obviously) since it'd be really difficult to find a more selfless person than someone with social anxiety since we always put others first. If we didn't, would we be socially anxious? I doubt it. A narcissist is never a doormat contrary to the social anxiety sufferer....
I disagree with the bolded. Most of the SA people I know are extremely self-centred and have this carefully constructed array of rationalisations to explain that any action on their part that hurts others is either unavoidable or someone else's fault. Being sheepish for fear of criticism is not the same thing as not being spiteful or hurtful. I've had more people with SA get snippy with me and block me on social media for not paying the amount of attention to them that they felt entitled to than people with normal social lives. They obviously played the victim afterwards.
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As my good friend once put it, anxiety in itself can be self-centered but it doesn't mean you are self-ish, if that makes sense. I think I'm just selfish anyway along with self-centered. Maybe it rubbed off from growing up with a parent who was largely ill-socialized and rather self-centered. Being self- centered just harms you in the long run, so I'd only hope to listen to my inner judgment before continuing an entire life like this.
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Why are you offended by just me asking a question? [Staff Edit]. Other than that I agree with your points.
someone w/ SA may not fear this attention Shredder talked about if they reveal things they're confident or confident enough in whereas they would fear to reveal other things they're insecure about, there are variations with social anxiety sufferers, the key is what are you insecure about or what made you this way, not that a social anxiety sufferer can't be selfish either.
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someone w/ SA may not fear this attention Shredder talked about if they reveal things they're confident or confident enough in whereas they would fear to reveal other things they're insecure about, there are variations with social anxiety sufferers, the key is what are you insecure about or what made you this way, not that a social anxiety sufferer can't be selfish either.
The basis fundamentals of narcissism is related to low self esteem, just as social anxiety. the key difference is how they react to the enviroment.
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The basis fundamentals of narcissism is related to low self esteem, just as social anxiety. the key difference is how they react to the enviroment.
I see but I was saying that the fundamentals of low self-esteem, I thought of low self-esteem in certain areas, not necessarily in all aspects
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Why are you offended by just me asking a question? [Staff Edit]. Other than that I agree with your points.
Maybe "offended" is the wrong word? By me stating that I was offended puts the onus on you and you did nothing other than ask a good question. Maybe frustrated would have been a better word? I take everything personally which is probably one of the many reasons why Im in a social anxiety forum in the first place. But I can spot false confidence a mile away... which is probably why I feel so frustrated in our fake society. I also I want nothing more to be someone else other than who I am. To help others would make me feel wonderful and useful.. give me a purpose but I get so caught up in my introverted internal world that this feels impossible. I guess I do feel selfish but I feel I dont want to be like this, hence the frustration.. but it feels like who I am. I've always lived in my own internal world since I was a little kid.. I guess its how I learnt to survive. Now I look at all these narcissistic social influencers who get to feel "complete" because they are helping others but they are really only manipulating others for personal gain NOT empowering them. If they empowered others, their own purpose and means of income becomes void. It's all an illusion. I guess I'm frustrated as at least their illusion is better than nothing.
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I see but I was saying that the fundamentals of low self-esteem, I thought of low self-esteem in certain areas, not necessarily in all aspects
Yup I agree
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I see but I was saying that the fundamentals of low self-esteem, I thought of low self-esteem in certain areas, not necessarily in all aspects
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Maybe "offended" is the wrong word? By me stating that I was offended puts the onus on you and you did nothing other than ask a good question. Maybe frustrated would have been a better word? I take everything personally which is probably one of the many reasons why Im in a social anxiety forum in the first place. But I can spot false confidence a mile away... which is probably why I feel so frustrated in our fake society. I also I want nothing more to be someone else other than who I am. To help others would make me feel wonderful and useful.. give me a purpose but I get so caught up in my introverted internal world that this feels impossible. I guess I do feel selfish but I feel I dont want to be like this, hence the frustration.. but it feels like who I am. I've always lived in my own internal world since I was a little kid.. I guess its how I learnt to survive. Now I look at all these narcissistic social influencers who get to feel "complete" because they are helping others but they are really only manipulating others for personal gain NOT empowering them. If they empowered others, their own purpose and means of income becomes void. It's all an illusion. I guess I'm frustrated as at least their illusion is better than nothing.
Great points.
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We all have a personality, but it's muted with SA, held back by fear, and under-developed. We're smothering it out of fear of being judged, being shamed, being embarrassed
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SAD traits like being judgemental, not trusting others, being easily offended and eventually, becoming bitter and envious are the ones that overlap with the narcissist, but for entirely different reasons and it manifests quite differently.

SA people inwardly judge others harshly because they've been overlooked so often, it's just easier to reject others in their mind first, to save the pain later on. Narcissists do it outwardly because they believe they're superior and it elevates their self esteem putting people down.

SA people don't trust others because they've been hurt too many times, trusting isn't viable anymore. Narcissists are untrustworthy, they project this onto others, therefore, no one can be trusted.

SA people are highly sensitive and embarrass easily, they find it hard to laugh at themselves and can't take criticism, even if it's well meaning. This stems back to their hurtful past, never being in the moment, ruminating about minor slights for weeks or years on end and their self pitying attitude, they usually won't lash out, they'll lick their wounds in private and the cycle continues.

Narcissists believe they're perfect and without fault, to be criticized results in a narcissistic injury and they'll retaliate. While they're usually impervious to criticism, any real or perceived slight about their intelligence can land the other person on their 'target' list, revenge will definitely be forthcoming, no stone left unturned until they've avenged themselves. 'Petty' is their middle name.

SA people can eventually become bitter, and envious of those who they perceive of having it all. They can be wrong in their assessments because they don't socialize, they easily jump to conclusions without evidence and believe the grass is greener over the fence. They very rarely speak up to right a wrong or apply for positions they're perfectly suitable for because of their negative inner dialogue, and for fear of embarrassment.

Narcissists are bitter and always envious and they believe everyone is envious of them too. They're bitter when they don't receive the treatment they 'deserve', when colleagues, friends or family receive accolades or attention, they'll ridicule and punish them, usually in public, they can't accept aging and their bitterness grows no matter how great their life is.
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