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Also to make as a follow-up, I am not giving my personal testimony to side on whether one should be pro or against any psychiatric medicine or therapy. I do think that it is just one example as to how faulty a system can be with other external factors involved, even if the people working under it are (optimistically saying for the most part) well-intended.
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Not sure if I can agree to that last statement. When I started anti-depressants and a sedative, that's when the 'manic' episodes came in. Usually when one goes on anti-depressants and becomes manic, it is considered as bipolar disorder. But looking back and seeing how I've basically been given one medication after another simply because of any move that was made, it made things worse than they actually were. When it genuinely started going bad and I went cold turkey from medicine while other things were going on, that was when I was least seriously taken. I hold that grudge with the psychiatric and to an extent the psychologist industries. This also counts the potential bodily damage that was done if I had not went cold turkey after basically being told to 'suck it up'.
I wouldn't even begin to try and describe the problems I've had with psychiatrists - and I never usually defend them. I've been on the medication round-about before too ages ago - it's disgraceful. I remember being in the hospital and one of them will have wanted me to try some drug - only for it to make me feel so horrible I couldn't walk. A few times I literally had to just tell the nurses I refused to take it anymore and then I told the shrink later. I can't stand most of them - and I really hate medication tbh.

But I do think it must be hard for them to diagnose serious mental health issues. They need to watch over a period of time and see how things change. Plus when they first meet you - which is what I was basically talking about there - they only really have what's in front of them to go by.

I don't honestly know how many of my problems were caused by the medication itself and which was me. My wife thinks I've been pretty strange ever since she met me 30 years ago - and I agree with her, although I don't completely trust her memory either.
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People can display certain traits but would not have it as a personality disorder. To have NPD you would have to meet a good sum of symptoms, regardless on whether you have SA, are introverted or extroverted, etc.

Probably a troll question, but answering in a direct and watered down version anyway.
Why do you think it’s a troll question?

Genuine interested in the correlation

The bad narcissism is caused by a lack of self esteem, and they use a projection method to protect them of their insecurity.

I feel like the mechanism behind SAD is to cause anxiety to avoid certain scenarios

Btw by no means I am attacking anyone, I just read an article and was interested about everyone opinion. Everyone here is so easily drawn to conclusion.
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Social anxiety is a symptom more than it is a disorder in itself. Also, this site isn't necessarily restricted to those who have social ANXIETY, but people who just plain socially inept/frustrated as well. You're definitely going to find narcissists as well as other predatory personality types among the boards just as you would the normal population.

But, no, I don't think there is any special link between narcissism and social anxiety. This post feels more like a dig at someone than a legitimate question.
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Why do you think it’s a troll question?

Genuine interested in the correlation

The bad narcissism is caused by a lack of self esteem, and they use a projection method to protect them of their insecurity.

I feel like the mechanism behind SAD is to cause anxiety to avoid certain scenarios

Btw by no means I am attacking anyone, I just read an article and was interested about everyone opinion. Everyone here is so easily drawn to conclusion.
Normally when people had asked questions relating to this, or generally to categorize those with SAD and/or other mental illness(es), it is usually in a mockery type of way, which brings a defense mode in response. I apologize that I may have jumped to conclusion if you are genuine about the question.

Social anxiety disorder is fear of social interaction. Genetics and environmental factors can play in part (childhood abuse, lack of social exposure while growing up, trauma that can stem from repeated negative interactions, etc.)

Narcissists generally have an innate defensive response which can resort for them to appear grandiose (most portrayal of narcissists); even for those who are more passive, it still seeks for interaction that manipulates in ways that makes those they interact with question their reality since the 'quiet' narcissists can easily portray themselves as victims. There's a broader spectrum that makes it difficult to distinguish whether a person is a narcissist, or if they can qualify to be diagnosed Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) according to the DSM-V.

I'd suggest watching Dr. Ramani's series about narcissism since she adequately explains about the different types of narcissism.



(More of a basic video, but I do remember there being an interview where there were maybe seven types listed. Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding it.)


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I guess the general distinction and conclusion is that narcissists do have motives when they want to interact with others. Those with SAD fear social scenarios and avoid or have as minimal interaction as possible, therefore 'benefit' by avoiding social interaction.
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Normally when people had asked questions relating to this, or generally to categorize those with SAD and/or other mental illness(es), it is usually in a mockery type of way, which brings a defense mode in response. I apologize that I may have jumped to conclusion if you are genuine about the question.

Social anxiety disorder is fear of social interaction. Genetics and environmental factors can play in part (childhood abuse, lack of social exposure while growing up, trauma that can stem from repeated negative interactions, etc.)

Narcissists generally have an innate defensive response which can resort for them to appear grandiose (most portrayal of narcissists); even for those who are more passive, it still seeks for interaction that manipulates in ways that makes those they interact with question their reality since the 'quiet' narcissists can easily portray themselves as victims. There's a broader spectrum that makes it difficult to distinguish whether a person is a narcissist, or if they can qualify to be diagnosed Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) according to the DSM-V.

I'd suggest watching Dr. Ramani's series about narcissism since she adequately explains about the different types of narcissism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uJs0iGQN0M

(More of a basic video, but I do remember there being an interview where there were maybe seven types listed. Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding it.)


TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHHWgG7dB6A


I guess the general distinction and conclusion is that narcissists do have motives when they want to interact with others. Those with SAD fear social scenarios and avoid or have as minimal interaction as possible, therefore 'benefit' by avoiding social interaction.
Oh those are some interesting information.

Like as myself, when somone attacks me verbally I usually retaliate in a bad way. Not sure if a person with social anxiety would do that
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Oh those are some interesting information.

Like as myself, when somone attacks me verbally I usually retaliate in a bad way. Not sure if a person with social anxiety would do that
Some people can have a breaking point and lash out after having the 'flight' mode of avoiding undesirable interactions for so long. In severe cases, SAD is where interaction is to be avoided and remain in that flight mode to not have circumstances where you would have to stick up for yourself. In a world where we are having no other choice, it's all the more difficult and more severe consequences for people with SAD.

Unfortunately I'm the same way. It's not that I 'want' to retaliate and 'become aggressive'. In fact after the fact it still follows me throughout the day and even at night where I may not sleep well. But it's the world we're living in.
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Some people can have a breaking point and lash out after having the 'flight' mode of avoiding undesirable interactions for so long. In severe cases, SAD is where interaction is to be avoided and remain in that flight mode to not have circumstances where you would have to stick up for yourself. In a world where we are having no other choice, it's all the more difficult and more severe consequences for people with SAD.

Unfortunately I'm the same way. It's not that I 'want' to retaliate and 'become aggressive'. In fact after the fact it still follows me throughout the day and even at night where I may not sleep well. But it's the world we're living in.
I personally also have a mood swings alot, usually il be super confidence and passive aggresive if nothing works in my way,

then il start becoming depressed/full of anxiety its like a vicious cycle

it sucks in general
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Can be related. Social anxiety often occurs with other mental disorders. Seems like those with social anxiety haven't developed proper functioning ego defense mechanisms that help ward off negative feelings whereas in narcissism they have by compensating for their feelings of inferiority that might have otherwise turned into feelings of inadequacy and social anxiety.
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Can be related. Social anxiety often occurs with other mental disorders. Seems like those with social anxiety haven't developed proper functioning ego defense mechanisms that help ward off negative feelings whereas in narcissism they have by compensating for their feelings of inferiority that might have otherwise turned into feelings of inadequacy and social anxiety.
I agree with you,

people with social anxiety seems to be very sensitive also, more empathetic. In turn they can become easily a people pleaser to compensate for their lack of ego. A malignant narcissist try attacking other people to compensate for the lack of an ego.

Everyone seems to group narcissism to one specific type, but there are many at play.

Also in practical terms, vulnerable narcissism may very well correlate with social anxiety.
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