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Is my opinion on a cure correct?


Disclaimer: the following is only a personal opinion of mine after years of contemplation, experience and research. I also didn't know where to place this.

Before I start, the sensory systems mentioned below are kinda like our simple senses we have like "Mental", "Emotional", "Physical" or the "Body". But also "Non-physical sensory systems" like the "Non-physical auditory system" and the "Non-physical visual system" where hallucinations seem to be perceived. There is evidence of those last two actually being a genuine reality because it is established they commonly activate during sleep deprivation and dreaming but also with people who have brain tumors and other diseases. It's not only the case that when people are awake and experience a hallucination those systems become active. Everyone has them and they can be triggered for different reasons.


Hello everyone. I have come to the following conclusion regarding many major, chronic and debilitating Psychiatric disorders including but not limited to: Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, OCD and Schizoaffective Disorder.

The conclusion is: "Many chronic labels in Psychiatry are simply composed of disturbances that are manifested into different sensory systems that every human being has. These disturbances at the fundamental level follow the same mechanism of action but are expressed through different sensory systems."

So in simple terms I'm saying that many of these chronic disorders are simply the same negative ailment expressing itself through a certain sensory system.

I will give examples of this below to help visualize what I am saying.

OCD is known to follow the following mechanism of action: obsession -> cause compulsion -> the sufferer then typically responds which causes more distress

Hallucinations (whether auditory or visual) found in the diagnoses of Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective Disorder follows the following mechanism of action:

Hallucination -> cause fear, confusion and delusional thinking etc -> the sufferer then also is naturally distressed

As you can see from above I could simply name the above mechanism of action as a single general one as follows:

something unpleasant perceived in a human sensory system -> emotional turbulence -> some type of human response or distress caused etc

So you could actually simply describe many chronic Psychiatric Disorders as following the same essential and fundamental general negative mechanism of action.

Now with OCD the established principle of reversing the condition is to do the opposite of how it operates which is like a healthy stress. So you basically do exposure therapy and don't act on the compulsion. After my research I realized that internally this is "rewiring the brain" or applying neuroplasticity which is basically when this "plastic brain" moves and the neurons are reprogrammed. There is a lot of evidence that many major chronic psychiatric disorders involve an issue with the neurons being programmed wrong.

But applying what I said about the fact that these disorders follow the same general mechanism of action and combining it with the fact that an example of a reversal of this mechanism of action allows a cure to arise as is the case with OCD. I believe that anyone with such debilitating disorders should simply start giving their brain a workout by giving it healthy stress/changes. The brain according to me would then literally move and reprogram the neurons.

But as I have stated in an earlier post. Helping the brain to move is not simply a case of exposure therapy, at least not in every Psychiatric disorder. The brain gets a workout when we exercise in sunlight too for example which gives us the natural melatonin dose we need to sleep at night which is another form of helping the brain to move and possibly contribute to neuroplasticity. Sleep hygiene in particular is a very well established principle of health for Bipolar patients as it helps to maintain and control it and I just mentioned how important it is for brain health.

In fact I wouldn't limit these issues to the brain either. Consider the stomach which is being regarded as the second brain now too.

So move, literally. Make healthy changes. Eat well. Speak well. Walk well. Breathe well. Socialize well etc. I feel this current epidemic could be improved immensely if holistic principles were applied.

My opinion may be hard to visualize, I am trying to make it more visual with time.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

I have a lot to say on this but I'll just say this for now.
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Disclaimer: the following is only a personal opinion of mine after years of contemplation, experience and research. I also didn't know where to place this.

Before I start, the sensory systems mentioned below are kinda like our simple senses we have like "Mental", "Emotional", "Physical" or the "Body". But also "Non-physical sensory systems" like the "Non-physical auditory system" and the "Non-physical visual system" where hallucinations seem to be perceived. There is evidence of those last two actually being a genuine reality because it is established they commonly activate during sleep deprivation and dreaming but also with people who have brain tumors and other diseases. It's not only the case that when people are awake and experience a hallucination those systems become active. Everyone has them and they can be triggered for different reasons.


Hello everyone. I have come to the following conclusion regarding many major, chronic and debilitating Psychiatric disorders including but not limited to: Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, OCD and Schizoaffective Disorder.

The conclusion is: "Many chronic labels in Psychiatry are simply composed of disturbances that are manifested into different sensory systems that every human being has. These disturbances at the fundamental level follow the same mechanism of action but are expressed through different sensory systems."

So in simple terms I'm saying that many of these chronic disorders are simply the same negative ailment expressing itself through a certain sensory system.

I will give examples of this below to help visualize what I am saying.

OCD is known to follow the following mechanism of action: obsession -> cause compulsion -> the sufferer then typically responds which causes more distress

Hallucinations (whether auditory or visual) found in the diagnoses of Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective Disorder follows the following mechanism of action:

Hallucination -> cause fear, confusion and delusional thinking etc -> the sufferer then also is naturally distressed

As you can see from above I could simply name the above mechanism of action as a single general one as follows:

something unpleasant perceived in a human sensory system -> emotional turbulence -> some type of human response or distress caused etc

So you could actually simply describe many chronic Psychiatric Disorders as following the same essential and fundamental general negative mechanism of action.

Now with OCD the established principle of reversing the condition is to do the opposite of how it operates which is like a healthy stress. So you basically do exposure therapy and don't act on the compulsion. After my research I realized that internally this is "rewiring the brain" or applying neuroplasticity which is basically when this "plastic brain" moves and the neurons are reprogrammed. There is a lot of evidence that many major chronic psychiatric disorders involve an issue with the neurons being programmed wrong.

But applying what I said about the fact that these disorders follow the same general mechanism of action and combining it with the fact that an example of a reversal of this mechanism of action allows a cure to arise as is the case with OCD. I believe that anyone with such debilitating disorders should simply start giving their brain a workout by giving it healthy stress/changes. The brain according to me would then literally move and reprogram the neurons.

But as I have stated in an earlier post. Helping the brain to move is not simply a case of exposure therapy, at least not in every Psychiatric disorder. The brain gets a workout when we exercise in sunlight too for example which gives us the natural melatonin dose we need to sleep at night which is another form of helping the brain to move and possibly contribute to neuroplasticity. Sleep hygiene in particular is a very well established principle of health for Bipolar patients as it helps to maintain and control it and I just mentioned how important it is for brain health.

In fact I wouldn't limit these issues to the brain either. Consider the stomach which is being regarded as the second brain now too.

So move, literally. Make healthy changes. Eat well. Speak well. Walk well. Breathe well. Socialize well etc. I feel this current epidemic could be improved immensely if holistic principles were applied.

My opinion may be hard to visualize, I am trying to make it more visual with time.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

I have a lot to say on this but I'll just say this for now.

Its an interesting read. I'm aware of neuroplasticity, as it seems to be one reason why meditation works and I meditate.


I have never really looked into this area too much, and while it makes sense and my untrained brain could see how it could alleviate suffering for some, it comes across as too simplistic to have an immense improvement.


The brain is complicated and still not fully understood as are mental health issues, so I'm not convinced that your holistic approach, using therapy and eating, sleeping well etc would have a huge impact on the epidemic.


Also remember, that your holistic approach aint new, far from it, and while I agree its all good stuff and that anyone suffering with mental health should incorporate into their daily lives, it has failed to help many people, in the same way meds havent.


I think we are a good while away from having treatment(s) that will massively improve the mental health epidemic.


Would like to hear more though so please post how your research is going

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Its an interesting read. I'm aware of neuroplasticity, as it seems to be one reason why meditation works and I meditate.


I have never really looked into this area too much, and while it makes sense and my untrained brain could see how it could alleviate suffering for some, it comes across as too simplistic to have an immense improvement.


The brain is complicated and still not fully understood as are mental health issues, so I'm not convinced that your holistic approach, using therapy and eating, sleeping well etc would have a huge impact on the epidemic.


Also remember, that your holistic approach aint new, far from it, and while I agree its all good stuff and that anyone suffering with mental health should incorporate into their daily lives, it has failed to help many people, in the same way meds havent.


I think we are a good while away from having treatment(s) that will massively improve the mental health epidemic.


Would like to hear more though so please post how your research is going

Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I will respond as soon as I can.
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Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I will respond as soon as I can.

before depression and mental illness is cured would be good ha


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Hi everyone, if anyone remembers I've been working on some deep research in Psychiatry. Here is the latest update on some specific work regarding Psychiatric simplification. Would love any feedback. I hope it's easy to understand. This update highlights a function I've been working on.


Now then, as mentioned before there is a large group of labels that contain disturbances which basically operate on the same simple Mechanism Of Action.

In the current system of labeling I haven't seen such a generalization recognized. By identifying this single mechanism of action I feel many disturbances and labels can be incredibly simplified. All the disturbances below follow a "Perceive->Disturb->Provoke->Respond" sequence. They may be perceived differently (like in the mind or emotionally etc, but they are essentially from the same source or same type of source and thus behave in the same way which I will demonstrate below

We can perceive and act upon this negativity however the disturbance and provocation is a separate entity.

In the Disturb/Provoke column below I am using descriptions found in mainstream mental health, but these disturbances (perhaps a more familiar word is symptoms?) all essentially demonstrate that they disturb/provoke etc. Notice how there is not much change in the manner of these disturbances. They are just sometimes sensed differently. Please refer to attached images for demonstration.



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1. Before I select a label
2. I select OCD
3. I select Obsession as a disturbance (belongs to OCD)
4. This is what is shown then
5. Here is the main point: At the fundamental level the same issue with schizoaffective disorder disturbance "Visual Hallucinaiton"
6. Another example with Schizophrenia and "Auditory Hallucination"


So as you can see basically the same thing just being perceived/sensed in different sensory systems (mind, emotionally or non-physically etc). It's the Mechanism of Action that is the important thing I'm trying to highlight as it explains a lot of what's going on.
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Its an interesting read. I'm aware of neuroplasticity, as it seems to be one reason why meditation works and I meditate.

I have never really looked into this area too much, and while it makes sense and my untrained brain could see how it could alleviate suffering for some, it comes across as too simplistic to have an immense improvement.

The brain is complicated and still not fully understood as are mental health issues, so I'm not convinced that your holistic approach, using therapy and eating, sleeping well etc would have a huge impact on the epidemic.

Also remember, that your holistic approach aint new, far from it, and while I agree its all good stuff and that anyone suffering with mental health should incorporate into their daily lives, it has failed to help many people, in the same way meds havent.

I think we are a good while away from having treatment(s) that will massively improve the mental health epidemic.

Would like to hear more though so please post how your research is going
I know what you mean. When I said holistic I just meant like considering the human being as a whole and thus for example considering their personal problems, their family relationships, their sleep quality etc (I hope I used the right term). Not just approaching Psychiatric problems through a pill only approach which seems to be happening and has been for over 50 years I think. Like, there are Psychiatrists who admit and consider elements of the current approach as over-simplistic and consider a "chemical imbalance" as a gross oversimplification. Meds are only symptomatic treatment. They have their benefit (lithium prevents manic people from dying of exhaustion) but it's too simplistic and possibly dangerous for long term health or genuine recovery.

Perhaps neurons being reprogrammed are just a result of our decisions or situations and just one small part of this. The brain is impacted by our decisions/situations but so are many other aspects of ourselves. I believe these disorders are not limited to an issue of the brain. As an example, if I were under chronic stress because I had a huge problem that had been lingering for years then one day that problem leaves me, both states could possibly be measured on my brain at the neuron level. But the neurons being programmed wrong was a result of the chronic stress. That's why I mentioned how looking at the human being beyond the chemical/physical level helps incredibly. However as mentioned before, brain tumors cause negative thoughts and hallucinations as well so we can't go to the extreme of saying these disorders are not issues of the physical body, they can be.

The problem with Psychiatry is that it doesn't look beyond the chemical/physical level and it is the primary mainstream approach for these disorders.

You know what's amazing? "Dreams". Dreams have incredible healing power. Some major fields in science consider dreams as a form of madness just like they do in Psychiatry (Visual Hallucinations). That's scary because dreams are definitely not a form of madness.

They cannot even locate these disorders Physically just as you can't detect your thoughts! It's findings like that which tickled my interest into the reality of these conditions.

This industry has it's roots in a chemical revolution with I think the drug "Thorazine". It changed the industry and is still the dominant approach today (pharmaceuticals)...

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My goal is to list many Disorders in the DSM that operate with the Mechanism of Action i mentioned and make a searchable database. It helps to visualize the simple nature of such an unnecessarily over-complicated diagnostic system. It's easier then to see for example how Sleep heals so many problems and is regarded by sleep specialists as a pillar of health.

Did you know sleep contributes to OCD recovery and also recovery from hallucinations? They don't really highlight such realities in Psychiatry. I think if they did they would lose a lot of money...
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I dont really understand what you're getting at. I dont believe you'd have much success telling people with OCD, or any mental condition, "just don't do that". people with disorders, neurodiversity, are much more complicated than that.

everything has a cause which may or may not be closely related to the solution.

but yeah of you live in a malfunctioning society you're probably going to be maladjusted. illness is also a symptom of some broader problem. but we still have to treat what we can treat, broader issues are usually beyond our power to change.

Hi thanks for the response.


We are diverse of course. Agreed. There is no one size fits all solution, but that's exactly my point, that's what is happening in Psychiatry. People are given the same drugs for their problems.



Without doubt broader issues are beyond our control. We are humans. the intention behind the tool I'm working on is to expose some of the redundancies in labeling and do a lot of simplification in the current diagnostic data. Just to let you know, Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective and Bipolar are very similar if you look at them deeply and these labels and their diagnostic criteria keep changing with time. It's not stable. Just as unstable as politics and human beings themselves. On a side note Bipolar meds are now given to children.



One of my problems is with labeling. Why? humans communicate in the form of language and have been since the start. If someone labels you they can send you in the wrong direction for the rest of your life like a ship in the middle of the sea taking a wrong pivot. There are massive holes/flaws in the labeling which is why I couldn't ignore this anymore. They say it is typical for Bipolar to be truly diagnosed after "10 years".


By the way, OCD has established principles that are very effective regarding recovery and have been for years. Every psychologist tells their patient to do exposure therapy. Or exposure and response prevention whatever it's called. I just thought I'd mention that because you said I wouldn't have success telling people don't do this or that but my original post implied that if you were to do the opposite of this Mechanism of Action I mentioned (do not respond to the Disturb->Provoke part of the sequence) you would basically be performing a healthy stress. Guess what exposure therapy is? a healthy stress and that's what Psychologists tell their patients to do.



We have our unique differences and I have no business there. But there are established principles that we are all bound by.
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I dont really understand what you're getting at. I dont believe you'd have much success telling people with OCD, or any mental condition, "just don't do that". people with disorders, neurodiversity, are much more complicated than that.

everything has a cause which may or may not be closely related to the solution.

but yeah of you live in a malfunctioning society you're probably going to be maladjusted. illness is also a symptom of some broader problem. but we still have to treat what we can treat, broader issues are usually beyond our power to change.

Just thought I'd add exposure therapy also works for social confidence issues just as it does with OCD. Habituation is a powerful principle.
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