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Asperger's Syndrome?


Is it possible that many of us might have this?

It is a form of autism and deals directly with social behavior or something to that extent. I think I might have it.

Impaired social reactions are a key component of Asperger's syndrome. People who suffer from this condition find it difficult to develop meaningful relationships with their peers. They struggle to understand the subtleties of communicating through eye contact, body language, or facial expressions and seldom show affection towards others. They are often accused of being disrespectful and rude, since they find they canít comprehend expectations of appropriate social behavior and are often unable to determine the feelings of those around them. People suffering from Asperger's syndrome can be said to lack both social and emotional reciprocity.

Although Asperger's syndrome is related to autism, people who suffer from this condition do not have other developmental delays. They have normal to above average intelligence and fail to meet the diagnostic criteria for any other pervasive developmental disorder. In fact, people with Asperger's syndrome often show intense focus, highly logical thinking, and exceptional abilities in math or science.

There is no cure for Asperger's syndrome, but cognitive behavioral therapy, specialized speech therapy and counseling can help alleviate many of the conditionís more troubling symptoms. If they learn to develop the appropriate coping mechanisms, people with Asperger's syndrome are quite capable of getting married, having children, becoming gainfully employed, and leading independent lives.
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Yes - I think I have this as well - I took this quiz (not sure how reliable it is but worth a try and it seems quite good) - http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php.
I scored over 160/200.
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Yes - I think I have this as well - I took this quiz (not sure how reliable it is but worth a try and it seems quite good) - http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php.
I scored over 160/200.
Just took the quiz - got 134 out of 200. It says: "You are very likely an Aspie." Oh, well...
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I scored 61 of 200 which is about usual for me on these tests.

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Got 107. Explored the idea with my psychiatrist and even a 2nd opinion and everybody, including myself, are pretty convinced that I DON'T have AS.

You need to be careful with tests like these, Asperger's isn't really as broad a diagnosis as all these questions would suggest. Some of the more critical questions are like the following:
  • Do you expect other people to know your thoughts, experiences and opinions without you having to tell them?
  • Are you good at predicting how someone will feel?
  • Are you good at interpreting facial expressions?
  • Do you often talk about your special interests whether others seem to be interested or not?

It's easy to self-diagnose problems like depression, anxiety, etc, but it's important to talk to a psychiatrist before sticking the Asperger's label on yourself...
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Is it possible that many of us might have this?
To be frank yes. There will be some members here who have undiagnosed ASD. But the majority won't.

There is another questionnaire (the AQ) here developed by researchers in Cambridge.

Scoring at or above 26 means a person has a significant number of autistic traits. This isn't diagnostic but used to provide an indication as to whether a referral might be required. 80% of those diagnosed Asperger's/HFA scored 32 or above while only 2% of the control group did. People diagnosed with SAD or OCD scored higher than controls overall but lower than Asperger's/HFA overall.
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I scored 147 on the first test and 63 on the Cambridge test, but I don't think I have Asperger's. I think a lot of my score is due to SA.

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I scored 147 on the first test and 63 on the Cambridge test, but I don't think I have Asperger's. I think a lot of my score is due to SA.
That's strange, the Cambridge test only goes as high as 50. I score 42.
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That's strange; the Cambridge test only goes as high as 50. I score 42.
Sorry, I meant my neurotypical score on the first test was 63 out of 200.
I scored 34 on the Cambridge test.

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My neurotypical score is 58, my aspie score is 137, it says I am "very likely an aspie". Hmm.
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There is generally a key difference between people with SA and people with Asperger's. People with SA tend to desire social contact but, obviously, feel really anxious about it. Social phobics want to treat their problem because they don't really like the isolation they're enduring.

Aspies, on the other hand, tend to prefer the isolation. Half the time they aren't even really socially anxious... they can be very outgoing and talk your ear off about something that happens to interest them. They just have a hard time realizing when nobody cares.

So I guess the major question is... are you on a board dealing with social anxiety because social interaction is something you genuinely want, or does it only matter to you insofar as it gives you a sense of normalcy?
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^ There will be a very large area of overlap on that so like most of the traits it must be considered in its wider situation. But I was told during my assessment with the ADOS (a diagnostic instrument for autism) that not being upset about my solitude as a young child in the playground can be associated with autism.


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Yeah I think there is a big overlap of SA and aspergers. I have done both those tests. and scored normal. But I have heard criticism of the AQ - apparantly it's more of a measure of social introversion / discomfort than autism. That's probably why a lot of SAers score so high on it.
The social domain produces inevitable overlap with SAD. Social discomfort and difficulty are part of the core social domain of autism so there's not much getting around that. But the Asperger's/HFA group still scored significantly higher than the SAD group on the social interaction factor. The AQ also includes questions in other domains of autism, reducing the overlap with SAD. The study that included those with SAD and OCD found none in these groups scored above a certain point but 50% of the ASC group did and there was a significant group difference.

On an individual level there's no guarantee a high AQ score means being diagnosable with autism. It was designed largely to provide an indication for general practitioners as to whether a referral might be warranted.
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That's a neat quiz. I was actually diagnosed with AS when I was younger, but I personally don't feel that I fit into the criteria at all. On that AQ test I scored "less autistic than average" (can't remember my exact score though), and on other Asperger's Syndrome tests I always score non-autistic. I was never really "treated" or "conditioned" to "grow out of it", so I personally think it was just a misdiagnosis. When I look back on how I used to behave as a child, I don't think I really fit the criteria then either. It's not like I just "grew out of it", I don't think I really had it in the first place.
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I have taken both of these tests (the one that Banzai referenced, and the one that odd_one_out referenced); I scored 171/200 on the first, and 39 on the second. These scores seem fairly high.

It is quite probable, though, that the fact that I'm so acutely, insistently introverted led to these high scores. I have only had limited experience with mental health professionals (and they refused to give me any official diagnoses, when I asked, which really confused and hurt me), and it seems their assessment was that I was anxious (socially in particular, but also generally), avoidant and depressed (based on the medications prescribed). No mention was ever made of Asperger's.

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I'm considered on the spectrum. A big difference is that i sometimes don't recognize emotions (like I don't know if someone's joking or not). It's difficult to live with. Also, physical awkwardness is typical.

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If you don't mind me asking, why did they think you had AS?
Because I used to do things like putting my toys/things in a certain place in the room and didn't let anyone move them, I used to make inappropriate comments (knowing full well they were inappropriate though, which completely negates the autisticity [made up words are awesome] of that behaviour), and I guess they needed an excuse for my "bad" behaviour at school (certain people would try to provoke me and they'd get more than they bargained for when I'd attack them back violently, so they'd act like victims and get me into trouble).

Not really autisticy behaviour if you ask me. I didn't have set routines, obsessions with certain topics, difficulty with body language/speech, motor problems, lack of empathy (I'm probably more empathic than most people, even though I don't usually show, but that's because I'm worried about it being inappropriate, basicly it's an SA thing) or any other behaviours associated with autism or Asperger's Syndrome.
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I have taken both of these tests (the one that Banzai referenced, and the one that odd_one_out referenced); I scored 171/200 on the first, and 39 on the second. These scores seem fairly high.

It is quite probable, though, that the fact that I'm so acutely, insistently introverted led to these high scores. I have only had limited experience with mental health professionals (and they refused to give me any official diagnoses, when I asked, which really confused and hurt me), and it seems their assessment was that I was anxious (socially in particular, but also generally), avoidant and depressed (based on the medications prescribed). No mention was ever made of Asperger's.
The experience you've had with the mental health system is pretty typical. Even if autistic traits are apparent it's common for them to not recognise them for what they are and not make a referral. Many are poor at communicating with the patient about diagnoses and treatments.

Most mental health workers are inadequately informed about autism and this includes psychiatrists. People will accumulate many diagnoses or treatments, often inaccurate or wrong, before they're able to get assessed for autism for which they usually have to fight.

I went through various levels of mental health services and no one ever mentioned autism. When I discovered it I ended the inappropriate (and harmful) therapy I'd been receiving and consulted my doctor who then fought hard to get me assessed (because provision for adults is terrible).

For adults it's tough to obtain a proper assessment and can cost hundreds. Many were already adults when Asperger's was first included in the DSM (I was about 16). For those seeking an assessment it's advisable they consult a specialist in who's experienced in diagnosing adults. General mental health professionals are usually not qualified to make such a diagnosis.
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I've had a very different experience in Canada. Everything was free and done without any red tape.

After not really responding to treatment, my psychiatrist decided it would be prudent to re-assess me. We did explore the option of asperger's and other developmental disorders, especially considering how far my problems go back, but neither of us felt like it was the right diagnosis. Just to be certain, she referred me for an assessment with a pediatric psychiatrist, who also concluded that a developmental/autism spectrum disorder would be inappropriate.

So... far from needing to fight for it, the possibility was pretty fully explored despite the fact that everybody found it very unlikely. I realize not everybody has the same experiences though...

And while I've been given a fair bit of official diagnoses, both psychiatrists have made it clear that the labels aren't really important. They're useful for communicating my problems to other doctors, health insurance, or whatever, but treatment really needs to be individualized to each person's specific situations.
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I was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome about three weeks ago, this has forced me to reconsider my objectives when it comes to social anxiety. As there is no treatment to make someone 'not autistic' or 'neurotypical' my therapists have agreed with me that a more realistic goal is for me to accept who I am as an autistic person.

Some people here may suffer from autism and be undiagnosed, however it is likely that the majority suffer from social anxiety and are not autistic. Impaired social ability is a major component of Aspergers, but there are other symptoms and characteristics with which some people here will not identify.

If you feel you have Aspergers then you could mention it to your doctor, however it is not something to be wanting, because basically what it means for me is that I will always have this alienating feeling regardless of drugs or therapy. The most I can do is come to accept that and to accept myself for who I am.
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