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West Virginia Legalizes Concealed Carry Without A Permit


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The West Virginia legislature successfully overturned the veto of Democratic Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s veto on Saturday in a bipartisan effort to enact permitless gun carry in the state.

Beginning June 5, anyone over age 21 who can legally possess a firearm will be allowed to carry it concealed on their person without having to obtain a permit. West Virginia has long allowed permitless open carry but, like most states, required a permit to carry a concealed firearm. With the new law the state will become the eighth in the nation to implement what gun rights activists call “constitutional carry.”

The law also creates a provisional permitting process for those between the ages of 18 and 20 who wish to carry a concealed firearm within the state. Individuals between the ages of 18 and 20 had previously been excluded from the permitting process altogether.

West Virginia’s move to permitless carry marks the continuation of a national trend that began in 2003. Before then, only Vermont allowed law-abiding adults to carry concealed firearms without a permit. The pace accelerated over the last five years, with seven states adopting the policy.

Concealed carry laws vary from state to state, but most adhere to one of three basic structures. The most popular, which is in effect in 34 states, is commonly referred to as a “shall-issue” structure, where applicants must be issued a permit if they pass a background check along with whatever training and identification requirements are set by the state.

The most restrictive type of concealed carry law, adopted by only eight states, is the “may-issue” structure in which applicants can still be denied a permit even if they meet all of the requirements set out by the state. May-issue concealed carry laws often issue very few concealed carry permits to residents.

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Constitutional carry as its called is also legal in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont, Maine, and Wyoming (residents only). Vermont has never required a permit for concealed carry. Those states that already have the laws in place aren't turning into the wild west.
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It says you must be able to legally purchase the firearm and its not exactly hard to get a permit in most states anyway.
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Would you feel differently if you carried a gun? More confident? Less afraid of confrontation?

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Would you feel differently if you carried a gun? More confident? Less afraid of confrontation?

I don't have a permit but have carried a couple times when I felt a real need to and to answer your question. No
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Stanford Report, November 14, 2014 Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows

Stanford research reaffirms that right-to-carry gun laws are connected with an increase in violent crime. This debunks – with the latest empirical evidence – earlier claims that more guns actually lead to less crime.

By Clifton B. Parker
Research co-authored by law Professor John Donohoe finds that right-to-carry gun laws are linked to an increase in violent crime.


New Stanford research confirms that right-to-carry gun laws are linked to an increase in violent crime.
Right-to-carry or concealed-carry laws have generated much debate in the past two decades – do they make society safer or more dangerous?
While there is no federal law on concealed-carry permits, all 50 states have passed laws allowing citizens to carry certain concealed firearms in public, either without a permit or after obtaining a permit from local government or law enforcement.
Recently published scholarship updates the empirical evidence on this issue. Stanford law Professor John J. Donohue III, Stanford law student Abhay Aneja and doctoral student Alexandria Zhang from Johns Hopkins University were the co-authors of the study.
"Trying to estimate the impact of right-to-carry laws has been a vexing task over the last two decades," said Donohue, the C. Wendell and Edith M. Carlsmith Professor of Law, in an interview.
He explained that prior research based on data through 1992 indicated that the laws decreased violent crime. But in 2004, he noted, the National Research Council issued a report that found that even extending this data through 2000 revealed no credible statistical evidence these particular laws reduced crime.
'Totality of the evidence'

Now, Donohue and his colleagues have shown that extending the data yet another decade (1999-2010) provides the most convincing evidence to date that right-to-carry laws are associated with an increase in violent crime.
"The totality of the evidence based on educated judgments about the best statistical models suggests that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates" of aggravated assault, rape, robbery and murder, said Donohue.
The strongest evidence was for aggravated assault, with data suggesting that right-to-carry (RTC) laws increase this crime by an estimated 8 percent – and this may actually be understated, according to the researchers.
"Our analysis of the year-by-year impact of RTC laws also suggests that RTC laws increase aggravated assaults," they wrote.
The evidence is less strong on rape and robbery, Donohue noted. The data from 1979 to 2010 provide evidence that the laws are associated with an increase in rape and robbery.
The murder rate increased in the states with existing right-to-carry laws for the period 1999-2010 when the "confounding influence" of the crack cocaine epidemic is controlled for. The study found that homicides increased in eight states that adopted right-to-carry laws during 1999-2010.
Research obstacles, next step

"Different statistical models can yield different estimated effects, and our ability to ascertain the best model is imperfect," Donohue said, describing this as the most surprising aspect of the study.
He said that many scholars struggle with the issue of methodology in researching the effects of right-to-carry laws. But overall, his study benefits from the recent data.
Donohue suggested it is worth exploring other methodological approaches as well. "Sensitive results and anomalies – such as the occasional estimates that right-to-carry laws lead to higher rates of property crime – have plagued this inquiry for over a decade," he said.
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Constitutional carry as its called is also legal in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont, Maine, and Wyoming (residents only). Vermont has never required a permit for concealed carry. Those states that already have the laws in place aren't turning into the wild west.
Those states all have waaaaaay more gun crime than more sophisticated progressive areas with strict gun laws like Detroit, Chicago, NYC, L.A. and D.C.





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Those states all have waaaaaay more gun crime than more sophisticated progressive areas with strict gun laws like Detroit, Chicago, NYC, L.A. and D.C.





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Hmm....what could be different about Detroit, Chicago. NYC, L.A. and D.C. from Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont, Maine, and Wyoming?

There's a difference between guns in a rural low population settings and a densely populated urban area.

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Arizona Has the Fourth-Highest Rate of Gun Violence in the Country, According to a New CAP State-by-State Analysis



https://www.americanprogress.org/pre...tate-analysis/


The map below compares the rate of gun murders in American cities to nations around the world.

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