Treat guns like cars

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I feel like we've been thru this before, but is it "unconstitutional", if USA bans all the weapons, except, lets say, the smallest and weakest pistols out there? People would still have the right to bear arms, weak arms, but still? Does the amendment specifically say or imply, that the right to bear arms must be absolute, no exceptions? (From bow and arrows to nuclear warheads)


Also, regarding to this thread,

"You would need to be licensed"
"The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed"
"The gun and owner would need to be insured"

Are those requirements unconstitutional? Again, you WOULD still have the bear right, "just sign these first"

I didn't know the US hadn't done this already. So basically the average baker or dry cleaner has to go through more rigorous testing and licensing than a gun owner? That really can't be...

We have to start treating guns like cars in the USA.


You would need to be licensed.


The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed.


The gun and owner would need to be insured.


Military assault weapons would be treated like fully automatic weapons: lengthy background check, huge fees, insurance, registration, etc.

So not sure how we solve this problem of mass shootings. Literally we are drowning in a sea of guns

Read today there are 400 million guns in the United States right now. That is more guns then people in the USA.

About 30 million of those are assault weapons.

So we if went all the way to ban all new guns sales we still have that huge number of guns already in circulation.

So not sure how we solve this problem of mass shootings. Literally we are drowning in a sea of guns

Guns is both the problem and a symptom of the larger problem. Or rather, the problem is what has allowed the ubiquity of guns, and the easy access to guns aggravates the problem and fuels that fire.

the american mindset is innately deeply disturbed. there's a very toxic component in that culture, but i'm not savvy enough to pinpoint it.


no offense to individual americans, humans are symptomatic after all, and i don't ascribe responsibility to any single individual.

so statistically speaking, male kids who grow up in a household with 2 mothers (i.e lesbian parents) are more likely to become spree murderers. makes sense. women are known to be terrible nurturers, after all.

I didn't know the US hadn't done this already. So basically the average baker or dry cleaner has to go through more rigorous testing and licensing than a gun owner? That really can't be...

The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment (The Thom Hartmann Hidden History Series) Paperback – June 4, 2019


by Thom Hartmann (Author)




Thom Hartmann, the most popular progressive radio host in America and a New York Times bestselling author, looks at the real history of guns in America and what we can do to limit both their lethal impact and the power of the gun lobby.

Taking his typically in-depth, historically informed view, Thom Hartmann examines the brutal role guns have played in American history, from the genocide of the Native Americans to the enforcement of slavery (Slave Patrols are in fact the Second Amendment's "well-regulated militias") and the racist post-Civil War social order. He shows how the NRA and conservative Supreme Court justices used specious logic to invent a virtually unlimited individual right to own guns, which has enabled the ever-growing number of mass shootings in the United States. But Hartmann also identifies a handful of powerful, commonsense solutions that would break the power of the gun lobby and restore the understanding of the Second Amendment that the Framers of the Constitution intended. This is the kind of brief, brilliant analysis for which Hartmann is justly renowned.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't imagine they have statistics for something like that.

edit: oh I see the fatherless homes thing. I don't think lesbian parenting is the same as single motherhood and there are differences between lesbian women and heterosexual women anyway. Girls seem to do better with two dads for parents though according to a study I looked at lol. Gay guys aren't like straight guys either though.

"Fact": males who grow up without a father figure are more likely to become spree killers

But to be clear i didn't look at any stats or research. I think perhaps the poignancy of my sarcasm was not very poignant after all.

I think it's more about alienation, childhood neglect, and lack of direction in life, coupled with anger issues, rather than "no dad = psycho in the making". Or maybe just the stereotypical american mindset of "i needs to protect mah life with projectile weaponry because everyone out there is a potential usurper of mah american dream"