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We have to start treating guns like cars in the USA.


You would need to be licensed.


The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed.


The gun and owner would need to be insured.


Military assault weapons would be treated like fully automatic weapons: lengthy background check, huge fees, insurance, registration, etc.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I feel like we've been thru this before, but is it "unconstitutional", if USA bans all the weapons, except, lets say, the smallest and weakest pistols out there? People would still have the right to bear arms, weak arms, but still? Does the amendment specifically say or imply, that the right to bear arms must be absolute, no exceptions? (From bow and arrows to nuclear warheads)


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"You would need to be licensed"
"The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed"
"The gun and owner would need to be insured"

Are those requirements unconstitutional? Again, you WOULD still have the bear right, "just sign these first"


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I feel like we've been thru this before, but is it "unconstitutional", if USA bans all the weapons, except, lets say, the smallest and weakest pistols out there? People would still have the right to bear arms, weak arms, but still? Does the amendment specifically say or imply, that the right to bear arms must be absolute, no exceptions? (From bow and arrows to nuclear warheads)


Also, regarding to this thread,

"You would need to be licensed"
"The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed"
"The gun and owner would need to be insured"

Are those requirements unconstitutional? Again, you WOULD still have the bear right, "just sign these first"


Nobody has a constitutional right to guns. Currently you need cash for a gun and ammo, nobody is giving them away for free. And if you're a felon then you're not allowed a gun(s).

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I didn't know the US hadn't done this already. So basically the average baker or dry cleaner has to go through more rigorous testing and licensing than a gun owner? That really can't be...

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I didn't know the US hadn't done this already. So basically the average baker or dry cleaner has to go through more rigorous testing and licensing than a gun owner? That really can't be...
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short term theres too many guns already around to be able to track them. long term means you just get ur mate to buy your gun for you. gun nuts would make sure they stay eligible for gun ownership up till the day they decide to do their insanity. too many ways around it. plus you've missed the boat on public support for it, until theres a bigger event which upsets you all. those medium sized shootings are pretty normalised. I dont get the sense that theres a big anti gun response when they happen. (all of that i mean applied to US. sane countries dont have this problem)

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We have to start treating guns like cars in the USA.


You would need to be licensed.


The gun would be registered and traced from factory until it is destroyed.


The gun and owner would need to be insured.


Military assault weapons would be treated like fully automatic weapons: lengthy background check, huge fees, insurance, registration, etc.
I more like the idea of treating cars like guns and trying to ban them. It would give you something else to make troll threads about.

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Read today there are 400 million guns in the United States right now. That is more guns then people in the USA.

About 30 million of those are assault weapons.

So we if went all the way to ban all new guns sales we still have that huge number of guns already in circulation.

So not sure how we solve this problem of mass shootings. Literally we are drowning in a sea of guns
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We only have roughly 20,000 laws regulating the gun usage and possession in the US. That is clearly not enough.

On a serious note, if you want the guns regulated the same way motor vehicles are, then you will leave everything in the hands of the state. The federal government doesn't regulate who can or cannot drive cars and what cars, aside from some safety standards and emission requirements. In addition, there are virtually no laws on how cars can be used on private property, which I imagine you wouldn't want to see applied to guns.

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So not sure how we solve this problem of mass shootings. Literally we are drowning in a sea of guns

i feel like that is figuratively, not literally. but yeah the cat is out of the bag. the genie is out of the bottle. etc.

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Guns is both the problem and a symptom of the larger problem. Or rather, the problem is what has allowed the ubiquity of guns, and the easy access to guns aggravates the problem and fuels that fire.

the american mindset is innately deeply disturbed. there's a very toxic component in that culture, but i'm not savvy enough to pinpoint it.


no offense to individual americans, humans are symptomatic after all, and i don't ascribe responsibility to any single individual.

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Read today there are 400 million guns in the United States right now. That is more guns then people in the USA.

About 30 million of those are assault weapons.

So we if went all the way to ban all new guns sales we still have that huge number of guns already in circulation.

So not sure how we solve this problem of mass shootings. Literally we are drowning in a sea of guns
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How did it get this way though ?
I watched this Trevor Noah bit where he went over all the different "reasons" discussed


1) Mental illness
2) Video Games
3) Internet
4) Fatherless homes

Whilst he quickly dismissed the first 3...he stuck a little on the 4th. Yes perhaps a strong father figure who disciplined his son growing up would make it harder for said son to be radicalized....but as Trevor says...how can you legislate good family bonds ?


The common factor is guns. No matter what radicalized the mass shooter...easy access to guns allows these tragedies to take place.

We all know that no simple one law change can end the problem....but it honestly feels like Americans aren't even willing to TRY something different.

It's like you all just throw your hands in the air and say;
1) We have too many guns already so gun control cannot work
2) It's in the second amendment so nothing can be done

I know the USA is a very large country but here is an idea.

1) Implement a stricter gun registration policy
2) Reduce on the number of guns one person can own, as well as the type of gun.
3) Give some sort of financial incentive for people who turn in their guns
4) Enact this gun restriction over a period of time eg maybe a 4 year period, so that the change is gradual rather than sudden.
5) During this same period have police do random sweeps to confiscate illegally owned guns ...that way we can reduce on the whole "only criminals will have guns" fear.
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so statistically speaking, male kids who grow up in a household with 2 mothers (i.e lesbian parents) are more likely to become spree murderers. makes sense. women are known to be terrible nurturers, after all.

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Guns is both the problem and a symptom of the larger problem. Or rather, the problem is what has allowed the ubiquity of guns, and the easy access to guns aggravates the problem and fuels that fire.

the american mindset is innately deeply disturbed. there's a very toxic component in that culture, but i'm not savvy enough to pinpoint it.


no offense to individual americans, humans are symptomatic after all, and i don't ascribe responsibility to any single individual.
Hard to say for the whole country since there are cultural differences throughout depending on the area definitely some areas seem to be quite paranoid and self absorbed.

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so statistically speaking, male kids who grow up in a household with 2 mothers (i.e lesbian parents) are more likely to become spree murderers. makes sense. women are known to be terrible nurturers, after all.
Are you being sarcastic? I can't imagine they have statistics for something like that.

edit: oh I see the fatherless homes thing. I don't think lesbian parenting is the same as single motherhood and there are differences between lesbian women and heterosexual women anyway. Girls seem to do better with two dads for parents though according to a study I looked at lol. Gay guys aren't like straight guys either though.

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I didn't know the US hadn't done this already. So basically the average baker or dry cleaner has to go through more rigorous testing and licensing than a gun owner? That really can't be...

Gonna be lots of gun shows this weekend and every weekend across the USA.



You can buy an arsenal of shotguns, rifles, handguns, scopes, knives, shooting supplies, ammunition, reloading equipment, gun cases, pistol & rifle magazines, military surplus...



You won't even need any identification if you use cash.


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Thom Hartmann, the most popular progressive radio host in America and a New York Times bestselling author, looks at the real history of guns in America and what we can do to limit both their lethal impact and the power of the gun lobby.

Taking his typically in-depth, historically informed view, Thom Hartmann examines the brutal role guns have played in American history, from the genocide of the Native Americans to the enforcement of slavery (Slave Patrols are in fact the Second Amendment's "well-regulated militias") and the racist post-Civil War social order. He shows how the NRA and conservative Supreme Court justices used specious logic to invent a virtually unlimited individual right to own guns, which has enabled the ever-growing number of mass shootings in the United States. But Hartmann also identifies a handful of powerful, commonsense solutions that would break the power of the gun lobby and restore the understanding of the Second Amendment that the Framers of the Constitution intended. This is the kind of brief, brilliant analysis for which Hartmann is justly renowned.

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Are you being sarcastic? I can't imagine they have statistics for something like that.

edit: oh I see the fatherless homes thing. I don't think lesbian parenting is the same as single motherhood and there are differences between lesbian women and heterosexual women anyway. Girls seem to do better with two dads for parents though according to a study I looked at lol. Gay guys aren't like straight guys either though.

"Fact": males who grow up without a father figure are more likely to become spree killers

But to be clear i didn't look at any stats or research. I think perhaps the poignancy of my sarcasm was not very poignant after all.

I think it's more about alienation, childhood neglect, and lack of direction in life, coupled with anger issues, rather than "no dad = psycho in the making". Or maybe just the stereotypical american mindset of "i needs to protect mah life with projectile weaponry because everyone out there is a potential usurper of mah american dream"

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"Fact": males who grow up without a father figure are more likely to become spree killers

But to be clear i didn't look at any stats or research. I think perhaps the poignancy of my sarcasm was not very poignant after all.

I think it's more about alienation, childhood neglect, and lack of direction in life, coupled with anger issues, rather than "no dad = psycho in the making". Or maybe just the stereotypical american mindset of "i needs to protect mah life with projectile weaponry because everyone out there is a potential usurper of mah american dream"
American culture (especially in some areas,) is rigid individualism to the point of paranoia yeah.

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