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VIncymon 06-06-2019 02:56 AM

RANT Why don't they just cancel miss America if it's no longer a beauty pageant ?
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.09b8687a482a

Random facebook searching lead me to this story. Apparently the head of Miss America has decided to eliminate swimsuit round and de-emphasise evening wear...in fact in one interview she basically says women can wear "whatever evening attire they feel comfortable in... (headscratch ??)

Whilst increasing the talent round to 50% of their mark and talking about "inclusiveness"

Now I am not that invested in beauty pageants but this really irks me. I hate how in the USA they keep finding ways to nerf competitions "everybody is a winner" and constantly removing the competitive aspect or lowering the standards to be "inclusive"


My take on this is....a pageant is a beauty contest ! Body building is also a beauty contest !
To remove/de-emphasise the beauty aspect of the show is to mustardize the entire event and robs the public of it's entertainment value !

There are dozens of talent shows on in America where women can show off their performing talents. (The Voice, America's got talent...magic shows etc) ....
There are national sporting competitions in women's division
There are crossfit competitions (ie ninja warrior)
There are national intelligence competitions (chess, trivia gameshows etc)

But the pageants are a different type of competition. It is a beauty competition with other events to carry the show. It is the MAIN draw of the show ...not the other way around...It is not a talent show where the winner may be beautiful; It is a beauty competition where the winner should additionally be well rounded.

This is madness....it's like if THE VOICE were to focus more on the singers' back story than their actual singing.

It's like if Mr Universe stopped doing segments with the men in trunks...but instead chose to have the men always fully dressed and said "It's not about muscles" :roll

It's like going to a rock concert where band talks about their life for 2 hrs , plays for 10mins and ends the show.

WillYouStopDave 06-06-2019 03:16 AM

Actually, TBH I have rarely ever found the women who win "beauty" contests to be my cup of tea. Oh I suppose they're attractive in some plastic doll sort of way but that was never what did it for me anyway. I like women who look real. Like if I'm trying to figure out if her face is even made of skin something's wrong.

Frankly, this is probably a good thing. Attractive women come in all shapes and sizes and the ideal woman should actually look human. Seen enough of what happens when every woman thinks she has to have basketball boobs and duck lips and no skin pores.

VIncymon 06-06-2019 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WillYouStopDave (Post 1093735515)
Actually, TBH I have rarely ever found the women who win "beauty" contests to be my cup of tea. Oh I suppose they're attractive in some plastic doll sort of way but that was never what did it for me anyway. I like women who look real. Like if I'm trying to figure out if her face is even made of skin something's wrong.

Frankly, this is probably a good thing. Attractive women come in all shapes and sizes and the ideal woman should actually look human. Seen enough of what happens when every woman thinks she has to have basketball boobs and duck lips and no skin pores.

Well yes, I too find the women in beauty pageants generally too skinny....BUT....they can easily change that without shifting the focus entirely away from physical beauty....what's the point of the pageant then ?
Why not just call it a talent show for women ??

Hank Scorpio 06-06-2019 06:18 AM

Why not just have them all naked???

Persephone The Dread 06-06-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WillYouStopDave (Post 1093735515)
Actually, TBH I have rarely ever found the women who win "beauty" contests to be my cup of tea. Oh I suppose they're attractive in some plastic doll sort of way but that was never what did it for me anyway. I like women who look real. Like if I'm trying to figure out if her face is even made of skin something's wrong.

Frankly, this is probably a good thing. Attractive women come in all shapes and sizes and the ideal woman should actually look human. Seen enough of what happens when every woman thinks she has to have basketball boobs and duck lips and no skin pores.

I don't really care about how they look but the way they act is often offputting to me like robotic puppets.


I don't get bodybuilding either, they go overboard and it's not practical. Body building is certainly not a beauty contest. They never look good.

Persephone The Dread 06-06-2019 10:08 AM

Quote:

It's like if Mr Universe stopped doing segments with the men in trunks...but instead chose to have the men always fully dressed and said "It's not about muscles"

It's like going to a rock concert where band talks about their life for 2 hrs , plays for 10mins and ends the show.
That would be a huge improvement actually, yes. Have Mr Universe (whatever that is,) be a music competition. Male musicians tend to be more attractive too (often have long hair, slim.) They can keep the parts where they're half naked though.

Also suddenly remembered this:


Ape in space 06-06-2019 10:54 AM

I agree that beauty is the whole point of it. They should either keep it a beauty contest proper or just change their name to female talent competition or something if they want to go that route. But doing the former will probably be tough, since in modern times they have too much competition from porn and instagram and such, and they are too vanilla to compete effectively. If I were in charge of it, I would either go the full talent competition route, or I would make it less family friendly and make it a real competitor to porn. For example, they could have different rounds in the competition - evening gown round, bikini round, naked round, blow job round, sex round, etc. The one who does best in all these categories would win.

Micronian 06-06-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Persephone The Dread (Post 1093735711)
I don't really care about how they look but the way they act is often offputting to me like robotic puppets.


I don't get bodybuilding either, they go overboard and it's not practical. Body building is certainly not a beauty contest. They never look good.

bodybuilding contests are about maximizing the body's physical/muscular potential. that is being lean, and demonstrating how well you've shaped every muscle on the body. It's a real art to itself to get a particular set of muscles to highlight every detail, etc. It's the human version of a dog show, or cattle/farm shows. It's definitely not on beautiful looks, but physical potential.

beauty contests...I really don't know...they seem to be dependent on makeup, hair, surgical treatment, and with very subjective western standards. I think the idea of beauty contests is outdated.

VIncymon 06-07-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Micronian (Post 1093735973)
bodybuilding contests are about maximizing the body's physical/muscular potential. that is being lean, and demonstrating how well you've shaped every muscle on the body. It's a real art to itself to get a particular set of muscles to highlight every detail, etc. It's the human version of a dog show, or cattle/farm shows. It's definitely not on beautiful looks, but physical potential.

beauty contests...I really don't know...they seem to be dependent on makeup, hair, surgical treatment, and with very subjective western standards. I think the idea of beauty contests is outdated.

They are both beauty contests....one is of male beauty and the other is of female beauty.

Looking muscular is a stereotypical male characteristic of male beauty.

Looking curvy and lean with smooth skin etc...are stereotypical female characteristics,

Which is why I said removing the beauty rounds off the pageant is as ridiculous as a body building contest with all competitors fully clothed.

(yes, there are female body builders...that's an exception)

Persephone The Dread 06-07-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VIncymon (Post 1093736451)
They are both beauty contests....one is of male beauty and the other is of female beauty.

Looking muscular is a stereotypical male characteristic of male beauty.

Looking curvy and lean with smooth skin etc...are stereotypical female characteristics,

Which is why I said removing the beauty rounds off the pageant is as ridiculous as a body building contest with all competitors fully clothed.

(yes, there are female body builders...that's an exception)

No they're not bodybuilding contests are not female gaze. Both body building contests and beauty pageants are for men (and mostly straight men at that.) Have you seen what those guys end up looking like when they're done? They're not *insert random member of The Avengers.*

This is for women:



Sorry but it pisses me off so much when people are like 'women get this *insert something no one asked for* and it's equal'

SorryForMyEnglish 06-07-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Persephone The Dread (Post 1093736623)
No they're not bodybuilding contests are not female gaze. Both body building contests and beauty pageants are for men (and mostly straight men at that.) Have you seen what those guys end up looking like when they're done? They're not *insert random member of The Avengers.*

This is for women:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0nNTklOKRA


Sorry but it pisses me off so much when people are like 'women get this *insert something no one asked for* and it's equal'

But look, women got this one music video and this one song from the 80's dedicated to them! It's a proof everything's equal! No, not even equal, it's institutional matriarchy and female gaze dominating the media and men's minds making them paint their faces, wear skimpy clothing, dumb themselves down, get rid of any personality or not to have one in the first place and dance like this and parade in front of women to gain their interest!!!! Men, wake up you've had enough, wake up that cave beast that lives inside each one of you and rebel NOW!!


Micronian 06-07-2019 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SorryForMyEnglish (Post 1093736637)
But look, women got this one music video and this one song from the 80's dedicated to them! It's a proof everything's equal! No, not even equal, it's institutional matriarchy and female gaze dominating the media and men's minds making them paint their faces, wear skimpy clothing, dumb themselves down, get rid of any personality or not to have one in the first place and dance like this and parade in front of women to gain their interest!!!! Men, wake up you've had enough, wake up that cave beast that lives inside each one of you and rebel NOW!!

^^
this rant would make more sense if there wasn't also a sizeable population of women TV viewers and participants in beauty contests, from the local to the international. I don't know whose original idea it was to have beauty contests (likely it was men), but it's not like there's no interest from women themselves.

nevertheless, I still think beauty contests are outdated.

roxslide 06-07-2019 06:52 PM

I personally think it's because Miss America is doing poorly and aging very badly in this social climate. So they're trying to evolve. I appreciate that and think it's probably a smart move whether or not I agree with PC culture. I don't see what the problem is. There is plenty other stuff to fap to.

Now if we could just cancel beauty pageants for children. I have a bigger problem with those than Miss America/Universe tbh.

A Toxic Butterfly 06-07-2019 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by roxslide (Post 1093736899)
Now if we could just cancel beauty pageants for children. I have a bigger problem with those than Miss America/Universe tbh.

I second this. The argument "it's tradition" doesn't hold up and it's a messed up situation. It should be banned like child labor and exploitation, forcing children to compete in a "beauty" contest is beyond creepy.

SorryForMyEnglish 06-08-2019 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Micronian (Post 1093736891)
^^
this rant would make more sense if there wasn't also a sizeable population of women TV viewers and participants in beauty contests, from the local to the international. I don't know whose original idea it was to have beauty contests (likely it was men), but it's not like there's no interest from women themselves.

nevertheless, I still think beauty contests are outdated.

Of course, nothing makes sense to you because you're ignorant about women and how society works and your thinking is super simplified just like those who say this contest is equivalent to body building contest. It just never goes beyond ''I see that. So that means it's really the way I see that and there's nothing more going on.'':troll Or/And ''Most people say it's that/I was made to believe most of my life it's that. Therefore that means it's that.'' :troll That's what men backlashing against feminism are like. I'm not even going to start talking about gender socialization and social expectations from women because it's pointless. Because to any obvious to me statement you'll come up with even more simple ignorant questions that were answered 1000000000s of times.

blue2 06-08-2019 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by roxslide (Post 1093736899)
Now if we could just cancel beauty pageants for children. I have a bigger problem with those than Miss America/Universe tbh.

....Yes I agree, an adult competition is one thing, thought I don't watch those kinds of things anyway, but children what's that all about ? a pedo's wet dream :afr ...what's wrong with those parents :no

Steve French 06-08-2019 02:46 AM

Pretty sure the swimsuit competition was the only reason anybody ever watched the damn thing. It would be incredibly painful without a bit of titillation. Of course it's an attempt to stay relevant and in the black, but it'll no doubt go the way of the dodo soon. I think their marketers are off base.

Also, Gretchen Carlson invoking the Cultural Revolution there. Lol.

SorryForMyEnglish 06-08-2019 02:53 AM

There's no real cultural feminist revolution because porn and prostitution are rebranded as ''empowering'' for women in the mainstream and mainstream feminism in the West. The contest creators just figured out it's old-fashioned kind of sexim now so they won't show it on national television to appear politically correct. But then same old objectification is repackaged and presented as ''feminist''. That's how far political correctness goes.

Btw it's new for me to find out that these contests are being watched, let alone cared about. (In some Eastern European countries they have a bunch of contests like this in every university and every town and city, but I thought Americans have moved on from that even though it's something they invented). Although you don't have to watch it and care about on a regular basis to freak out about the rules kinda changing. This alone must feel like the Apocalypse to men judging by their reactions. How come the media is not going to cater to them by depicting women as sex objects 100% percent of the time and now it's only 95% of the time on television plus unlimited access to tonns of that on the internet? Oh my God, that's real feminist revolution, women's anarchy that's turning into matriarchy, we should rebel against it now!!!!

Micronian 06-08-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SorryForMyEnglish (Post 1093737055)
Although you don't have to watch it and care about on a regular basis to freak out about the rules kinda changing. This alone must feel like the Apocalypse to men judging by their reactions.

The original argument was that it was another example of changing the rules to competition. That without a visual element, sexualized as it may be, a beauty contest loses much of its meaning all thanks to the rule change.

and because beauty is so visual, and a very important element to human mating and procreation for both sexes (outside of the economic/liberal/feminist/masculinist forces that play upon it), I can't see this rule change being so appealing to women either. I'm sure even those women who are into such contests are less than thrilled over the rule change.

For what it's worth, I remember sometime in the early 90s they eliminated the swimsuit portion in the Miss Canada pageant. I don't think it's on TV anymore.

Persephone The Dread 06-08-2019 03:29 PM

I don't think many people watch this kind of thing in the UK, I'm sure it exists but I always thought of it as an American thing like with cheerleading. I think most people just post their photos straight to the internet now and compete for online followers. Mainstream TV in general is kind of outdated.


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