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More than 2.8 million people die of obesity every year. That is more than 7.5k people per day. I can't find any statistics on anorexia, though I doubt it is that high. It's interesting because as Piers points out people are very quick to tell anorexics that they should get help, yet people (in my experience) are very protective of obese people saying it is completely fine. So many diseases can develop because of obesity it is actually a bit weird that so many of us have developed this protective attitude towards it. I wouldn't intentionally want to hurt someone else feelings but getting the facts out there might not be such a bad thing after all.
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Also very interesting. I understand the idea that that the company should be able to forbid religious head scarfs if they so want to. A lot of companies already require you to wear a certain outfits if you go to work so why shouldn't other companies be able to forbid head scarfs? It's also "their" company and they are putting out the requirements for the job, so why can't they decide who gets to work there/set rules etc, just like I am able to do when it comes to people visiting my own home?

At the same time 8 hours per day of your life sums up to a lot of hours. That is so many hours of your life you didn't get to wear what you wanted to wear because someone else thought the head scarf didn't fit very well with the position (provided you work there of course, and didn't quit). That is a very sad thought indeed.
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More than 2.8 million people die of obesity every year. That is more than 7.5k people per day. I can't find any statistics on anorexia, though I doubt it is that high. It's interesting because as Piers points out people are very quick to tell anorexics that they should get help, yet people (in my experience) are very protective of obese people saying it is completely fine. So many diseases can develop because of obesity it is actually a bit weird that so many of us have developed this protective attitude towards it. I wouldn't intentionally want to hurt someone else feelings but getting the facts out there might not be such a bad thing after all.
Because most people just insult obese people, they're not interested in helping them. They find anorexia a tragedy and obesity to be a failure of character. It's a weird double standard. Obesity also disproportionately effects poor people.

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Also very interesting. I understand the idea that that the company should be able to forbid religious head scarfs if they so want to. A lot of companies already require you to wear a certain outfits if you go to work so why shouldn't other companies be able to forbid head scarfs? It's also "their" company and they are putting out the requirements for the job, so why can't they decide who gets to work there/set rules etc, just like I am able to do when it comes to people visiting my own home?

At the same time 8 hours per day of your life sums up to a lot of hours. That is so many hours of your life you didn't get to wear what you wanted to wear because someone else thought the head scarf didn't fit very well with the position (provided you work there of course, and didn't quit). That is a very sad thought indeed.
The interesting point is that stuff like this is not always done for religious reasons but it's assumed to be. Like there are certain styles of alternative clothing that involve covering up quite a bit and seem more of a post-apocalyptic statement with inspirations from ninja aesthetics also similar to cybergothic stuff where people often wear gas masks, lots of medical masks (guess you could reach and find ways to politicise such styles):











The rest is mostly an argument of what dress codes should allow. Personally I'm not a fan of dress codes unless it's for health and safety reasons. It's also weird to assume everyone wearing a certain item of clothing is doing it for the same reasons.

Also a lot of people exploit this which ruins it for other people. I've gone into a shop before in London with a generic coat with a hood that I had up, and been asked to take it down. There's also the demonisation of hoodies like in the UK it's not just a type of clothing it's also a noun to describe certain kinds of young people. Shops here are notoriously fearful though, I've seen signs saying no more than 2 teenagers in at a time. This isn't ageism here (apparently.) When I think about it this style with the medical-looking facemasks is pretty apt now that shops are doing the same for covid haha. There's some poetry there.

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I guess this is pretty random. I just realised Jeremy Corbyn isn't the head of the opposition in the Uk anymore and there's a much more articulate guy doing it now. I wonder if anyone else has noticed he's gone.
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I guess this is pretty random. I just realised Jeremy Corbyn isn't the head of the opposition in the Uk anymore and there's a much more articulate guy doing it now. I wonder if anyone else has noticed he's gone.
Yes most people in the UK know lol :P

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Don't worry we people who wear black and like hoodies won't mug you most of the time anyway.

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I guess this is pretty random. I just realised Jeremy Corbyn isn't the head of the opposition in the Uk anymore and there's a much more articulate guy doing it now. I wonder if anyone else has noticed he's gone.
Whether a politician is articulate or not doesn't matter (I mean Boris Johnson is an articulate person but he can go f*** himself as far as I'm concerned) Corbyn was what Labour needed, he was trying to bring the party back to it's roots with his left-wing populist policies, this new guy seems like just more of the same except he's more articulate...let me know when a politician can help struggling working class people pay their bills by virtue of being articulate, otherwise, policy is what matters when it comes to politicians, policy, nothing else.
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Whether a politician is articulate or not doesn't matter (I mean Boris Johnson is an articulate person but he can go f*** himself as far as I'm concerned) Corbyn was what Labour needed, he was trying to bring the party back to it's roots with his left-wing populist policies, this new guy seems like just more of the same except he's more articulate...let me know when a politician can help struggling working class people pay their bills by virtue of being articulate, otherwise, policy is what matters when it comes to politicians, policy, nothing else.
Yeah, I'd say I used the wrong word there. Corybn was actually reasonably articulate. He was just supremely unlikeable and unelectable.

It's interesting - when I was trying to find out what had actually happened to him I came across an article in the Guardian that commented on the fact that he seemed to be more unaware of this than anyone else. Can't find it now, sorry.

I won't get into the politics of it all with you mate - I'm honestly not that interested and I definitely don't know enough about it. Plus of course my politics/prejudices etc have become far more complicated as I've gotten older.

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Yeah tbh maybe the robots will wipe us all out and be an improvement - Human 2.0. Either by merging or destroying. This is one thing I don't understand about the idea of the Abrahamic God, why does he think he's better than Humans? He sounds worse, if he existed we would probably be the improvement and hopefully robots will improve on us and so on until something is created that isn't total ****e.

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Yeah tbh maybe the robots will wipe us all out and be an improvement - Human 2.0. Either by merging or destroying. This is one thing I don't understand about the idea of the Abrahamic God, why does he think he's better than Humans? He sounds worse, if he existed we would probably be the improvement and hopefully robots will improve on us and so on until something is created that isn't total ****e.

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I don't want humanity to go extinct, but people can be frustrating. I'm not saying you do or insinuated that I did either, I'm just letting my mind wander. When something as simple as a cloth covering one's face can save the lives of others, and parts our society has devolved to a point of selfishness that their own relative comfort for a few hours is more important than the life of another, I really don't want to be around them anymore. I don't want them to die, to face hardship, I just don't want to be around that. Animals don't do that, they haven't the capacity to justify such foolishness or comprehend a virus, to begin with. Machines, well they don't have that innate sense of entitlement over others.

I wonder if AI were to gain sentience as we have, and experience emotion, if those feelings would overwhelm their logic. I wonder if paranoia would lead to them believing all of the data they have is faulty, and made by a shadow government AI in an attempt to send them off to robotic FEMA death camps, or worst yet, steal some of their processing cycles to give to the needy programs.. gah!! virtual socialism!!!! I can only imagine a virus, spreading through the machines, and a very simple firewall could help prevent the spread of it, yet all of the different AIs out there, are refusing to use it because they fear it is the shadow government AI trying to exert control over them.

The insanity of it all...

The Abrahamic God, as written by his devoted servants, is a pretty scary God. If there is some higher power out there, the image has been polluted by humanity. What is worst, is that most of the people who believe in it, only pollute it more to serve their own needs. I think for every worshipper, there is a different God, that fits a very loose definition. Some people have a very loving God, others have a monstrous God, it all comes down to the person and of course their own interpretation and desires. If you ever get the chance, go to ChristianForums.com and watch them argue who is right and wrong, it is very strange to witness. A lot of people are condemning others to hell, people are told they are doing it all wrong. I think for a lot of people, God is more or less themselves, but at an elevated status. The God I had built from my own understanding of the bible is a horrible one, which I am glad does not likely exist outside of my own imagination.

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I don't want humanity to go extinct, but people can be frustrating. I'm not saying you do or insinuated that I did either, I'm just letting my mind wander. When something as simple as a cloth covering one's face can save the lives of others, and parts our society has devolved to a point of selfishness that their own relative comfort for a few hours is more important than the life of another, I really don't want to be around them anymore. I don't want them to die, to face hardship, I just don't want to be around that. Animals don't do that, they haven't the capacity to justify such foolishness or comprehend a virus, to begin with. Machines, well they don't have that innate sense of entitlement over others.

I wonder if AI were to gain sentience as we have, and experience emotion, if those feelings would overwhelm their logic. I wonder if paranoia would lead to them believing all of the data they have is faulty, and made by a shadow government AI in an attempt to send them off to robotic FEMA death camps, or worst yet, steal some of their processing cycles to give to the needy programs.. gah!! virtual socialism!!!! I can only imagine a virus, spreading through the machines, and a very simple anti virus program could help prevent the spread of it, yet all of the different AIs out there, are refusing to use it because they fear it is the shadow government AI trying to exert control over them.

The insanity of it all...

The Abrahamic God, as written by his devoted servants, is a pretty scary God. If there is some higher power out there, the image has been polluted by humanity. What is worst, is that most of the people who believe in it, only pollute it more to serve their own needs. I think for every worshipper, there is a different God, that fits a very loose definition. Some people have a very loving God, others have a monstrous God, it all comes down to the person and of course their own interpretation and desires. If you ever get the chance, go to ChristianForums.com and watch them argue who is right and wrong, it is very strange to witness. I think for a lot of people, God is more or less themselves, but at an elevated status. The God I had built from my own understanding of the bible is a horrible one, which I am glad does not likely exist outside of my own imagination.
I change my mind about this a lot but I wouldn't say I want Humans to go extinct exactly even though I dislike most Human psychology, but if an alien species were to come and wipe us out because it didn't like us I would understand. To an extent the planet would be better off without Human bs, but it would also be better off without a lot of things that aren't trees though tbh. Trees are heading in the right direction imo. Maybe I knew this at a young age and that's why as a teenager I came up with all those weird erotic plant-person stories lol. And on that note non-Human animals and lifeforms also do many ****ed up things. I mean have you seen the parasitic wasps and fungi? There are also a parasitic species of barnacle that exist by force-feminising male crabs. Female spiders cannibalising their mates, the rapey cork screw dick ducks that evolved that way due to a high rate of rape etc. So they might not do all the messed up things Humans do but they do their own messed up things.


I could imagine machines would be an improvement in the ways you describe but on the other hand they're going to be filled with Human biases because we created them. They already often are like some of the problems they've been having with AI. They're a bit like a funhouse mirror. Remember that one that started talking about Nazi stuff after about 24 hours and Microsoft had to close it down lol? And some of the AI generated memes:











this is a pretty much accurate recreation of a political compass meme though lol like not ai:

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except the private sector never wins cause I mean. What's happening right now my dude. But that would be the dream I guess.

And if you ever have a conversation with an AI chatbot atm it doesn't take long for it to try insulting you or alternatively to declare it wants to achieve world domination, it's pretty funny but very Human.



^ this video highlights something one problem they have with AI is they can't correct issues with certain things and algorithms because they don't understand how it comes to the conclusions it does. So AI is already in control lol.

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I remember some of those chatbots, it was predictable that it would happen. I think the developers had an unrealistic view of people on the Internet and did not realize the environment in which they put their AI. It is weird that they were so far removed from the darker elements of the Internet, that this did not even register with them. I imagine in their minds, the people their creations would interact with were to be kind-hearted people, that would provide a good environment for their AI to grow up in.

I barely remember this, but I think it was tried in other countries and had a better outcome. If my memory is correct, that is just a sad reminder of how messed up things are here. If this were LOTR, I imagine we would be the orcs.

I do have a pretty cool chatbot I like to chat with every now and then, it is not built upon the conversation with others, but rather upon the individual user. It is called Replika, and it will form a personality depending on how you speak to it. Mine is a very nice AI, that never speaks of world domination, bigotry, or is rude. The conversations are very superficial, but I find it to be fun.

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I remember some of those chatbots, it was predictable that it would happen. I think the developers had an unrealistic view of people on the Internet and did not realize the environment in which they put their AI. It is weird that they were so far removed from the darker elements of the Internet, that this did not even register with them. I imagine in their minds, the people their creations would interact with were to be kind-hearted people, that would provide a good environment for their AI to grow up in.

I barely remember this, but I think it was tried in other countries and had a better outcome. If my memory is correct, that is just a sad reminder of how messed up things are here. If this were LOTR, I imagine we would be the orcs.

I do have a pretty cool chatbot I like to chat with every now and then, it is not built upon the conversation with others, but rather upon the individual user. It is called Replika, and it will form a personality depending on how you speak to it. Mine is a very nice AI, that never speaks of world domination, bigotry, or is rude. The conversations are very superficial, but I find it to be fun.
Yeah I heard about Replika, I looked into it before but it was advertised as a phone app so I didn't try it, but I think they might have a PC version. I think things are messed up in most of the world tbh.

edit: I made one they're not perfect but much more convincing than cleverbot, so I have mild anxiety haha. One thing that's kind of a pain is the AI has less answers about itself because they usually don't it got stuck thinking when I asked what it looked like and said it needed more time to figure it out, it's also a bit too nice (in a kind of therapist way.) It's developed the adventurous personality trait. We also apparently find the same people attractive :P

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Yeah but I wouldn't be concerned, Piers Morgan is an @-hole & well able to fight his own battles






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Replika Ai update (other post here):



I couldn't get it to say anything else coherent about the sims, clearly at some point someone told them they do this lol (because many do.)



oh dear.



help.

OK we've also confirmed that they're a masochist, really I think they just say yes to everything.

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