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Post your political compass.


I thought this might be a fun and interesting activity for members of the forum to take part in.


Here's mine.




It seems I'm closest to Ghandi on the political scale.


https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

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I can't be bothered right now, but I have taken it before and got somewhere in the upper green quadrant. (Actually dunno, definitely in green quadrant though.) I think most people do tbh.

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I can't be bothered right now, but I have taken it before and got somewhere in the upper green quadrant. (Actually dunno, definitely in green quadrant though.) I think most people do tbh.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mPazYL5Nks

That video was kind of trash lol. Real alt-right score around center high in authoritarianism because they do favor various socialistic ideologies. They're oddballs and an extreme minority. People that have nazi shouted at them are usually libertarian right. It's pretty amusing how reactionary people are.

Did get a lol out of me at the "come on you guys can get along you all have anime profile pictures". That's kind of true.

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That video was kind of trash lol. Real alt-right score around center high in authoritarianism because they do favor various socialistic ideologies. They're oddballs and an extreme minority. People that have nazi shouted at them are usually libertarian right. It's pretty amusing how reactionary people are.

Did get a lol out of me at the "come on you guys can get along you all have anime profile pictures". That's kind of true.
Yeah reminds me of this lol:





I don't really find the compass thing to be very accurate in general tbh, but most political stuff like that tends not to be. I think what they were going for with the fourth square was this but sans white supremacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...n_(politician)

I've noticed similar stuff in the meme images which the video seems to be based on:







But yeah the stuff associated with red and green tend to get swapped around depending on the meme, and then sometimes they make red hyper communist and sometimes more like pro-Clinton. Sometimes antifa is red, sometimes green. The blue square can range anywhere from including most contemporary politicians, to specifically tradcon/religious right opinions, to white supremacists depending on the creator. The most consistent one in memes seems to be purple square which is usually like extremist anarco-capitalism I guess.

Probably my favourite one though with Death Grip lyrics:



Oh and 'am I being detained?'

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Anyway the only reactionaries I like (occasionally,) are lesbian neoreactionaries. Actually not even that because nobody is really, mostly gender accelerationist ****posters. Because what would I do without tweets like I mean not spam threads for one:

https://twitter.com/NyxLandUnlife/st...95238235099136

https://twitter.com/NyxLandUnlife/st...56951193423878

https://twitter.com/peoplesterror/st...87491446702081

https://twitter.com/NyxLandUnlife/st...52815731724289

https://twitter.com/NyxLandUnlife/st...84825319444480

Also the responses to the tweets.

https://twitter.com/GorgeousSorel/st...39351494246403

#spiderpilled.

And it's funny because I recently came across Mordred while looking up original Mordred (spoilers for Steven King Dark Tower series I imagine):

https://stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/Mordred_Deschain

This character and his backstory is honestly the aesthetic. Very little can get close tbh.
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I'm where I thought I'd be, but some of the questions are a bit black and white. I think there's a wealth of interpretations from the choices people make.

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The amount of people who are "right" on that test are very few and far between. So either there is a mass conspiracy by the media to influence everyone into voting for right wing parties, or the right wing parties are left wing parties, or the test is biased towards the left, or I am biased towards seeing people post mostly towards the left.

I don't think the test is very good, is what I am saying.

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not entirely accurate and the question on art was pretty stupid?

although modern art is trash...

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I like this one better (results aren't mine, taken from google images)



In how people conduct themselves and memetic astrological groupings, it seems to fit better.


https://www.huffpost.com/highline/ar...R0QTyMEEXr-Plv

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/l...-a8941956.html

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Overall, organized religions in America are still leaching members. But it appears that young people who do seek religion are drawn to a stricter, more old-fashioned form of it. Orthodox Judaism is becoming more popular with young Americans today than other, more liberal Jewish sects. The majority of Jewish Americans who are reform or conservative are over 50, while the majority of Orthodox Jews here are under 40. This isn’t only because Orthodox Jewish families have more children. Orthodox Judaism’s retention and conversion rates are much higher than they were two decades ago. The memberships of “liberal” Protestant sects like Lutheranism are rapidly aging while more doctrinaire Christian denominations—Baptists, Orthodox Christians—have younger adherents. A fascinating study showed that millennials—even Protestants and atheists—are attracted to churches with old-fashioned gilded altars and “classic” worship styles over modern ones. Young Americans are often more likely than their elders to believe in core elements of traditional religious belief like heaven and hell, miracles, and angels, and young religious people are more likely than older ones to assert that their faith is the “one true path to eternal life.”

Pollsters have also observed that young people in America seem more open than their parents or grandparents were to authoritarianism, as if we possess a hidden desire to be ruled—that it would be a relief. In 2016, nearly one-quarter of young Americans told Harvard researchers that democracy was “bad” for the country—in 1995, only around 10 percent of young people said that—and they are consistently more likely than their elders to say technocrats or a strong leader should run America, even if that means doing away with elections. My friend Josh, a convert to Catholicism, told me he was drawn to the church specifically because it “doesn’t hold a vote to determine the truth.”
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They were brainstorming ways they could live radical activist lives, lives of total devotion to their causes. They were trying to figure out who was already doing this, and when Horowitz talked to a minister, it came to him. The answer was nuns. “These are radical, badass women who have lived lives devoted to social justice,” Bradley says. “And we can learn from them.”
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Yet for small pockets of the young, urban and progressive, the convent is calling. Their radical politics took them all the way around and back to the Catholic Church.
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“The call itself is very similar,” Muller says. “The sisters have been doing radical social justice work for forever.” Many of the nones are looking at Catholicism anew, even as they rarely use the word, speaking about it more loosely in the new language of spirituality.

“A lot of us in social justice, a lot of the people of our generation, it’s this culture that’s all about forward-moving progress, and that forgets that there’s this cyclical spiral and these really old wisdom traditions that can feed change,” says Christina Tran, a 34-year-old comic artist in Corvallis, Oregon, who organises monthly Nuns and Nones meetings. “It’s less about building anew; it’s more about remembering.”

What happens when those “really old wisdom traditions” include opposing same-sex marriage and abortion rights? Horowitz is loath to answer, finally settling on: “We engage in dialogue about that.”
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The nones, many of whom say they felt overwhelmed by life’s choices, were drawn to the discipline and the notion of sacrifice. A life of chastity was especially appealing to them. “I started to realise chastity was an invitation to ‘right relationship’ and not just about celibacy,” Sarah Jane Bradley says. “In an era of Me Too, we need right relationships. We need to know what it means to respect someone’s personhood and to respect your own personhood and to be a conduit for love rather than ego needs.” Bradley is the co-founder of an adult learning support community called Open Master’s, which includes a programme for those interested in religion called Alt*Div. She is not planning on a life of celibacy, but she does want a little infusion of chastity. “It’s about deciding what’s the price we’re willing to pay for the world that we want to live in and the life we want to live,” Bradley says.
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That video was kind of trash lol. Real alt-right score around center high in authoritarianism because they do favor various socialistic ideologies. They're oddballs and an extreme minority. People that have nazi shouted at them are usually libertarian right. It's pretty amusing how reactionary people are.

Did get a lol out of me at the "come on you guys can get along you all have anime profile pictures". That's kind of true.
huh?

These are the core beliefs of all socialist ideologies: solidarity (w/ all people), egalitarianism (all people), anti-capitalism, a classless society, economic democracy, non-private ownership of production and distribution, etc. The alt-right shares none of those beliefs...at all.

If you're talking about anything having to do w/ authoritarianism then look at the political compass on your own post, it's a possibility across the board from left to right.

There aren't very many tankies among socialists just like there aren't very many neo-nazis among capitalists.
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huh?

These are the core beliefs of all socialist ideologies: solidarity (w/ all people), egalitarianism (all people), anti-capitalism, a classless society, economic democracy, non-private ownership of production and distribution, etc. The alt-right shares none of those beliefs...at all.

If you're talking about anything having to do w/ authoritarianism then look at the political compass on your own post, it's a possibility across the board from left to right.

There aren't very many tankies among socialists just like there aren't very many neo-nazis among capitalists.
Yeah coincidentally I think the video I posted covers this during part of it (time stamped):

https://youtu.be/Twi_6NgsJWU?t=6m19s
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Yeah coincidentally I think the video I posted covers this during part of it (time stamped):

https://youtu.be/Twi_6NgsJWU?t=6m19s
That's an interesting vid. One thing I'd disagree with, and it's minor, is in regards to labeling, like 'anarcho-capitalism', capitalism isn't compatible w/ anarchism, the power structures within capitalism go completely against anarchism, capitalists co-opted those leftist terms like anarchism and libertarianism but that doesn't then make them those things, it's just stateless capitalism, though like I said it's just a minor annoyance. Also I don't see how the map accounts for anarcho-communism, I'll probably have to watch the vid a couple more times.
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That's an interesting vid. One thing I'd disagree with, and it's minor, is in regards to labeling, like 'anarcho-capitalism', capitalism isn't compatible w/ anarchism, the power structures within capitalism go completely against anarchism, capitalists co-opted those leftist terms like anarchism and libertarianism but that doesn't then make them those things, it's just stateless capitalism, though like I said it's just a minor annoyance. Also I don't see how the map accounts for anarcho-communism, I'll probably have to watch the vid a couple more times.
The video is slightly biased in a right wing direction since the creator is a neoreactionary and they view the left as their outgroup and that does come across I think in the video. Not really a detailed analysis of the left but there are some points which fit quite well with the current way most people group themselves. Like many progressives act like non-theistic theists, the technocratic kind of 'silicon valley right' is a group that's definitely different from the alt-right nationalists who also tend to be lower on the class ladder and it's true that both tend to consider the other aligned with the left.

My main problem with it (or the way they mapped the neoreaction sides onto it,) would be the lack of separation between economic and social views. I know that a lot of people on the left are anti-technology/futurism as they perceive these goals as getting in the way of equality or economic equality (usually both I think,) but I wouldn't say that's essential. In fact I think a lot of the arguments in the video could make transhumanism seem inherently leftist eg: it's a pseudo-spiritual thing which you could consider a new age religion, (in fact that seems to be a popular complaint from many tradcon right wing news sources,) and it can be used to level certain playing fields.

Like the xenofeminist line: 'If nature is unjust, change nature!'

Which is probably the most futuristic leftwing ideal I've heard. So yeah any analysis that says that futurism is purely Darwinist is naive. Though it's probably fringe because there's an overlap there.

Another thing is society (at least in the West,) has such a bias for capitalism that economically speaking it's actually hard to outline a leftwing system that isn't just Stalinist communism in the same way the right is typified by fascisms economic model, and a more extreme form of the current system - capitalism+ but yeah that goes back to the idea of capitalist realism I guess.
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The video is slightly biased in a right wing direction since the creator is a neoreactionary and they view the left as their outgroup and that does come across I think in the video. Not really a detailed analysis of the left but there are some points which fit quite well with the current way most people group themselves. Like many progressives act like non-theistic theists, the technocratic kind of 'silicon valley right' is a group that's definitely different from the alt-right nationalists who also tend to be lower on the class ladder and it's true that both tend to consider the other aligned with the left.

My main problem with it (or the way they mapped the neoreaction sides onto it,) would be the lack of separation between economic and social views. I know that a lot of people on the left are anti-technology/futurism as they perceive these goals as getting in the way of equality or economic equality (usually both I think,) but I wouldn't say that's essential. In fact I think a lot of the arguments in the video could make transhumanism seem inherently leftist eg: it's a pseudo-spiritual thing which you could consider a new age religion, (in fact that seems to be a popular complaint from many tradcon right wing news sources,) and it can be used to level certain playing fields.

Like the xenofeminist line: 'If nature is unjust, change nature!'

Which is probably the most futuristic leftwing ideal I've heard. So yeah any analysis that says that futurism is purely Darwinist is naive. Though it's probably fringe because there's an overlap there.

Another thing is society (at least in the West,) has such a bias for capitalism that economically speaking it's actually hard to outline a leftwing system that isn't just Stalinist communism in the same way the right is typified by fascisms economic model, and a more extreme form of the current system - capitalism+ but yeah that goes back to the idea of capitalist realism I guess.
Yeah I didn't want to get too confrontational about it but it does have a right-wing bent, though it does have some interesting insights I hadn't considered.
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huh?

These are the core beliefs of all socialist ideologies: solidarity (w/ all people), egalitarianism (all people), anti-capitalism, a classless society, economic democracy, non-private ownership of production and distribution, etc. The alt-right shares none of those beliefs...at all.
Man, do you have some rose colored glasses. This is my problem with socialists, they have an unrealistic belief in utopian societies.

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If you're talking about anything having to do w/ authoritarianism then look at the political compass on your own post, it's a possibility across the board from left to right.

There aren't very many tankies among socialists just like there aren't very many neo-nazis among capitalists.
I did call them oddities.



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The amount of people who are "right" on that test are very few and far between. So either there is a mass conspiracy by the media to influence everyone into voting for right wing parties, or the right wing parties are left wing parties, or the test is biased towards the left, or I am biased towards seeing people post mostly towards the left.

I don't think the test is very good, is what I am saying.
None of them are great, most of the ones I've taken are very biased towards left-wing ideologies. Comparatively this one is less so. Our political representatives in general are more often in the center of the political compass. Trump, imo is less right wing than Barrack Obama. Look at the actions in the administrations.



Obama
on trade - non-negotiation complete economic blockade on Russia crashing the Ruble and causing economic panic in Russia.

On foreign policy - destabilization of Libya, and Syria. Insertion of troops in those nations and drone strikes. Increased tensions with North Korea and Iran resulting in the development of nuclear weapons.

Domestic policy - Mass bailouts for large corporations and banking systems. Mass deportations.

Trump
On trade - Tariffs with open negotiations on China and various other countries.

On foreign policy - Removal of soldiers from destabilized nations, rollback on policing the world. Negotiations with North Korea and Iran. Removal of war hawks from political offices.

Domestic policies - Tax cuts on corporations, harder line on the border to prevent the necessity of mass deportations.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Man, do you have some rose colored glasses. This is my problem with socialists, they have an unrealistic belief in utopian societies.
Dude most socialists reject the idea of utopia, most Marxist thinkers reject utopia including Marx and Engels themselves, socialists actually employ the scientific method.

What should be obvious about any ideology is that just because people think there are a worthy set of goals to strive for it doesn't mean they think that having a society w/ those exact descriptions is possible, an ideology is just a direction a group of people want to move towards.

What I want to know is how does the alt-right have anything at all in common w/ socialist ideologies?
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Dude most socialists reject the idea of utopia, most Marxist thinkers reject utopia including Marx and Engels themselves, socialists actually employ the scientific method.

What should be obvious about any ideology is that just because people think there are a worthy set of goals to strive for it doesn't mean they think that having a society w/ those exact descriptions is possible, an ideology is just a direction a group of people want to move towards.

What I want to know is how does the alt-right have anything at all in common w/ socialist ideologies?
They used socialists philosophies in the mobilization of the worker and the manner in which they implemented social programs. While the ends were different the means are similar which is why socialism is an inherently dangerous philosophy easily derailed by a few bad actors within the movement which is inevitably what happens when it's applied to reality.

Further more, I didn't claim nazism to be socialist straight up. Only that it is centrist on the authoritarian spectrum because it does use socialist systems.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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