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Male circumcision in USA


Is this common to whites too in USA or is it more to those who has a religious (non christian) backround? How do mothers think about this and what the law says? Apparently it is not a mutilation because parents would be fined then?
Is it just a common thing to slit babies and everyone are thinking it is normal or is there more who does not want to slit their kids? Or is it a thingy like a nose job that guys are getting it later in life?
I am not interest in sexual content of it but why it is not a mutilation in peoples and laws eyes.


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Western countries still has that disgusting accepting view on religions and their practices, despite these cults do horrible mutilations like this. Do whatever you want to your own body when your old enough to understand the consequences, but the new born child doesn't have the consent. Sure male circumcisions may have health benefits in some cases, but I don't think we should cut off all the possible body parts, just because they may cause diseases in some cases? "Lets remove the baby's eyes to prevent retinoblastoma" '

And we all know these are not done for the sake of health...

 


Hopefully the increased amount of Muslims in the west with their illegal female mutilations will shed light to this and this will be banned for good. Why not make it illegal to practice religion before you turn 18 and then you can chop off your penis like an adult! (I know cults want to start brainwashing children from the birth)

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Hopefully the increased amount of Muslims in the west with their illegal female mutilations will shed light to this and this will be banned for good. Why not make it illegal to practice religion before you turn 18 and then you can chop off your penis like an adult! (I know cults want to start brainwashing children from the birth)

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Is this common to whites too in USA or is it more to those who has a religious (non christian) backround? How do mothers think about this and what the law says? Apparently it is not a mutilation because parents would be fined then?
Is it just a common thing to slit babies and everyone are thinking it is normal or is there more who does not want to slit their kids? Or is it a thingy like a nose job that guys are getting it later in life?
I am not interest in sexual content of it but why it is not a mutilation in peoples and laws eyes.


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It's more common with people in conservative states. Whites have higher rates of circumcision than blacks.


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Circumcision rates in the United States vary according to geographic area, socioeconomic status, religious affiliation, insurance coverage, hospital type, and racial and ethnic group. The overall prevalence is estimated to be approximately 80 percent for males aged 14 to 59 years, with most of these procedures performed in newborns. Circumcision rates are highest in the Midwestern states (74 percent), followed by the Northeastern states (67 percent) and Southern states (61 percent), and are lowest in the Western states (30 percent). The rate is higher in non-Hispanic whites (91 percent) than in non-Hispanic blacks (76 percent) and Mexican Americans (44 percent).
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It's not religious in the US imo. It depends on the hospital you go to and when you were born, it's more cultural. People are just flat out circumcised practically always in some areas. It's different now because of more awareness.

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Not only can children not consent but they barbarically perform these procedures without anesthetics because they aren't sure babies can feel pain. I was never given a choice. My family is religious.

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Somehow it became a weird almost mandatory procedure. I've read many things about it and here is what I recall.

Sometime around World War I, there was anecdotal reports of young American men in the war having problems with foreskin infections due to poor hygiene. The quick and easy solution was circumcision.

As it became more commonplace (and more women started having their babies in hospitals) the doctors who presumably knew of the trending fashion that stemmed from the war, starting asking women if they wanted their male babies circumcised. The funny thing is that the procedure is not performed by the newborn's doctor (pediatrician) but is done by the woman's obstetrician. OB/GYN is a surgical specialty, but still it is odd that this happens. It may simply be because the OB gets to add another paying procedure to his bill. Many Pediatricians do not recommend circumcision, but they are not the ones that ask the mother if the baby will be circumcised.

I did not have my son circumcised. I had a good friend who is now deceased, and we used to talk about all sorts of things. He was very unhappy that his parents had him circumcised. I started reading about it and discovered what a horrible thing it is to do to a little boy. Not the least of the problems is that it robs the man of much sensation during sex. (I myself was circumcised as a baby so I didn't really realize.) I knew about the issues of cleanliness, but I taught my son about the importance of being clean and hopefully he won't carry the tradition.

If people want to do it out of some foolish religious tradition, that is their own business. Doing it as a matter of course to every little boy just to make the OB/GYN a few bucks or to satisfy some concern that is not really valid anymore is nothing short of mutilation.
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Not only can children not consent but they barbarically perform these procedures without anesthetics because they aren't sure babies can feel pain. I was never given a choice. My family is religious.

I've heard audio of a baby being circumcised. They definitely feel pain. No baby should make that noise.
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Why would babies not feel pain ? I felt pain when I was a baby.






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It's not religious in the US imo. It depends on the hospital you go to and when you were born, it's more cultural. People are just flat out circumcised practically always in some areas. It's different now because of more awareness.

They don't even ask from the parents?

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Not only can children not consent but they barbarically perform these procedures without anesthetics because they aren't sure babies can feel pain. I was never given a choice. My family is religious.

No can be real? Or are you talking about past times?

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I did not have my son circumcised. I had a good friend who is now deceased, and we used to talk about all sorts of things. He was very unhappy that his parents had him circumcised. I started reading about it and discovered what a horrible thing it is to do to a little boy. Not the least of the problems is that it robs the man of much sensation during sex. (I myself was circumcised as a baby so I didn't really realize.) I knew about the issues of cleanliness, but I taught my son about the importance of being clean and hopefully he won't carry the tradition.
That is good to not carry the tradition. I read a study once which comes to female circumicision among immigrants and the result said second or third generation of immigrants stops cutting traditions in a new country. It is hard to stop it righ away for those who change a country at first time. I believe it is harder to stop in those countries where people keep it normal. USA is interesting because it seems to not a religious case neither a case of being accepted in their culture so it is hard to understand why people are still doing it. Also the target of this brutal violence are men, which is quite rare. Usually all kind of harmfull acts are targeted on women (foot binging, weight controlling, financial weakening etc).

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Only common in protestant, Jewish and Muslim circles. Saint Peter (first Pope to whom Christ gave authoritiy over his Church) condemned circumcision according to Acts 15. Saint Paul charged that the advocates of circumcision were "false brothers". Christ himself attacked circumcision a few times.

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It's more common with people in conservative states. Whites have higher rates of circumcision than blacks.

This is just one weird thing because I always thought Europe (west) is not cutting. And that part of white population in America which came from Europe... Where they could get idea of cutting their kids in USA (if they do). We are British and moved to America, hmmm, what we could do here? Lets cut babies. I just cannot find any conjunctive factors. Of course what do I know about history of European countries, not much. But in this time it is not allowed to do (except immigrants are having exceptions by cultural reasons, which at same time violates baby's human rights).

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This is just one weird thing because I always thought Europe (west) is not cutting. And that part of white population in America which came from Europe... Where they could get idea of cutting their kids in USA (if they do). We are British and moved to America, hmmm, what we could do here? Lets cut babies. I just cannot find any conjunctive factors. Of course what do I know about history of European countries, not much. But in this time it is not allowed to do (except immigrants are having exceptions by cultural reasons, which at same time violates baby's human rights).
Most people in the US are protestants. Whites in Catholic countries don't do that. And many people from West Europe who immigrated to the US were protestants escaping the wrath of the Catholic Church.

And the people in charge of the US happen to be either Protestants or Jews who practice circumcision. Didn't you ever notice the media trying to push for circumcision because, apparently, it decreases likelihood of getting HIV?

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Male genital mutilation is an outdated, unecessary, and pointless practice. It's removing a part of skin that protects the end of your dick


What sort of sicko thought that it'd be ok to chop off the end of a baby's thing without the baby's understanding, knowledge, or consent ? It's actually awful to imagine. And the parents that allow it aren't much better.


If you're worried about foreskin and getting an infection, then clean your thing and practice half-decent hygiene at least and you'll be OK.

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Routine Infant Circumcision (RIC)is done in the US regardless of race, religion. It is commonly thought of as being cleaner, less risk of STD’s, and reduces cancer risks. First, it’s not cleaner to let an open wound sit in urine and feces, you wipe the penis like a finger (no retracting) forceful retraction causes tears and infections and drs are quick to say the infant needs circumcision. When the penis retracts which can be anywhere from 1-18 years old give or take, you just retract and take the two seconds to clean under the foreskin like a woman would do between her labia. Less risks of STD’s? No, that’s what a condom is for. What country has the most STD’s and routinely circumcise? The USA. The study was also a terrible study done in Africa as to where they got the statistics and it was done there because in the US it wouldn’t have been able to be done. Cancer risks? Why don’t we just cut off every part of the body that has cancerous risks?

The entire “they don’t use anesthesia because they think babies can’t feel pain” is somewhat true. Until I believe 1985 it was thought that babies couldn’t feel pain because crying is all they can do, they cry to eat, when they’re tired, whenever. So they’d preform open heart surgeries without anesthesia until they later realized they felt pain. A lot of parents say, “my son slept right through the procedure and a lot of times it’s because they go into shock from the pain and don’t react. It takes a bit for local anesthesia to kick in and in big hospitals or hospitals that are having a busy day, they don’t always wait for the anesthesia to fully kick in because they’re on a time crunch.

As for biblical circumcision, when it was done it was a very small piece and now it is a very large piece cut off. Also, Jesus was the last blood sacrifice so I don’t understand why people use it as a religious thing. For Jewish people, they can practice Brit Shalom which is the naming ceremony without circumcision.

It is so routinely done that on occasions parents were never asked if they wanted the circumcision and just went ahead and did it. They also bill circumcision on insurance because it’s so routinely done even though some weren’t even circumcised.

The circumcision is done sometimes immediately after birth, I couldn’t imagine having the most precious being in the world in my hands and be like ok he’s ready to get his penis mutilated. Some are even selfish enough to do it because they find intact penis unattractive and it disturbs me. Another reason is for them to match their dad, but I’d find it really weird if a dad was comparing penises to his son, I don’t ever remember comparing my vagina to my mothers.

If you want info, check out the documentary “American Circumcision” on Netflix, or “An Elephant in the Hospital” on Youtube. I really recommend joining the Facebook group, “Your Whole Baby: a community for learning”. I have one son, when we were in the hospital we were asked around 20 times if we wanted to circumcise and I was so angry. Why would I do that to him?? He is so perfect the way he is.

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I wonder if a kind of lasting PTSD can result from circumcision or if any studies have been done in that area?

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People who say the baby doesn't feel pain when half the thing is getting CHOPPED OFF obviously has never caught the end of their winkie in the zipper of their jeans.

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