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COP21 in Paris - International Climate Conference News




A big international conference is happening in Paris over the next 2 weeks to come up with a plan for how to reduce CO2, CH4, NO2 and other pollution. The countries around the world have already agreed to do it, and most have already started implementing them. A lot of renewable technology and energy efficient devices are better than the old dirty and inefficient ways things used to be.

Oh, and the protests have already started and are quite good.

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Paris isn't so much a capital city now more of an open battle ground between a multitude of different races, ideologies and religions.

You'd have thought these activists would have more important things to worry about given recent events.
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A big reason that is happening is because birth control in Africa, Asia, India, and the Middle East doesn't seem to be on the table. Then climate and environmental problems that change entire countries economies (fishing and farming are two big ones) lead to power struggles and problems. And people have to leave to survive elsewhere. And there are enough of them that they don't have to adapt to the new culture to fit in.
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Key Elements of the Paris Climate Agreement





World leaders will meet in Paris to finalize an international climate change agreement that will require deeper emissions reduction commitments from all countries. If all goes well, all major countries will enshrine their new climate commitments in this agreement. The agreement will contain provisions to hold countries accountable to their commitments and mobilize greater investments to assist developing countries in building low-carbon, climate-resilient economies. And encouragingly, businesses, investors, states, provinces, cities, financial institutions, and others are already pledging actions to help governments implement the agreement and even exceed their commitments.
While the Paris agreement won't "solve" climate change, it can be a critical inflection point. It brings us much closer to a safer climate trajectory and highlights the path forward after Paris.
So what needs to be addressed in the Paris agreement if we are to build stronger international climate action that mobilizes action now and spurs even greater action in the years to come (we outline these key elements in our new "issue brief")?
New emissions reduction targets for the Post-2020 timeframe by key countries
In the lead-up to Paris, more than 170 countries responsible for over 90 percent of the world's climate pollution have announced specific reduction plans (see here for our summary). These include actions from all major countries, including the US, Europe, China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and South Korea (read our summary of these commitments and the actions that are already underway in these countries). The Paris agreement will need to enshrine commitments from all major countries to reduce their emissions for the period after 2020 based upon these proposed targets by setting these as the floor and creating a requirement that countries adopt more aggressive commitments for subsequent five year periods (e.g., from 2025-2030 and then 2030-2035).
Tools to catalyze more aggressive action over time
The agreement will need to strengthen future action by creating systems for countries to upgrade their targets since the best estimates show that these targets don't yet put us on the necessary safe climate trajectory. As a result, a critical outcome of the Paris agreement is a solid process for reassessing and deepening emissions reduction commitments every five years. This process will need to begin no later than 2020 so that countries can reevaluate their efforts and commit to do more well before 2030. We need another political moment well before 2030 so that countries can detail stepped-up efforts. After all, further clean energy cost reductions, confidence that policies are producing larger than expected emissions reductions, and other factors will inevitably prove to leaders that they can do more before 2030 than they are prepared to detail in 2015. This won't need to be an intrusive process, but will provide countries an opportunity to show that they are prepared to be even more of a leader on climate change by strengthening their national climate targets.
Financial support to assist developing countries
Countries have already agreed to help mobilize $100 billion by 2020 through public and private financing to assist developing countries in reducing emissions and adapting to climate change. We know that more resources will need to be mobilized after 2020 since we will be headed towards even deeper emissions reductions in subsequent years and the needs for climate resilience will grow more acute. For this reason the Paris agreement will need to send a clear signal that countries will help mobilize even greater financial support to assist the poorest countries in building low-carbon and climate resilient economies. These investments can help spur an even larger clean energy economy around the world, unleash additional emission reduction efforts, and help countries address the devastating impacts of climate change that will set back the well-being of their citizens.
Strengthen transparency and accountability frameworks
The Copenhagen/Cancun agreements built essentially a three-part system for transparency and accountability by: (1) requiring that countries regularly report their emissions, climate actions, and trajectory towards their targets; (2) conducting an independent expert review of those country reports; and (3) evaluating country progress through an international public review. This system of transparency and accountability will need to be modified and strengthened to help hold governments accountable to their commitments as we build a durable agreement.
Spurring more than countries to take climate action
The Paris conference will add to the growing groundswell of climate actions in an effort to broaden the engagement of other leaders. Governors, mayors, corporations, civil society, financial institutions, and leaders of all stripes will pledge individual and collective actions that can help address climate change now. This groundswell of climate actions will form a key pillar of the Paris agreement and must be a critical part of an "all hands on deck" effort to address climate change in the coming decades. Countries will need to help ensure that these kinds of actions continue after Paris.
Creating a path to even greater action in the years to come
The Paris Agreement won't "solve" climate change, but it puts us much closer to a safer trajectory and highlights the path forward. Before the Copenhagen Accord in 2009, we were potentially headed for an increase in global average temperatures of 5°C (9°F) above pre-industrial levels by 2100. Today, the meaningful commitments submitted in advance of the Paris climate summit show us that we are on a path to a 2.7° C (4.9°F) temperature rise by the end of the century, closer to the 2°C (3.6°F) goal. As a result, countries will need to set in motion a set of systems both in the agreement and in the accompanying outcomes to encourage even greater actions by countries, companies, cities, states/provinces, and financial institutions. This will need to include the mechanisms to strengthen ambition over time contained in the agreement and arrangements to help the groundswell deliver significant emissions cuts.
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All of this has a solid foundation to build upon as countries have realized that it is in their own interest to cut their carbon pollution. They have concluded that, far from destroying the economy, domestic climate action produces real benefits for their citizens, including new jobs, reduced poverty, and lower mortality rates. And as natural disasters increase in frequency and intensity, they have seen that not addressing climate change has real and lasting consequences. Countries will have to leave Paris and roll-up their sleeves by delivering additional domestic climate actions and laying the groundwork for even more action.
If we get the right pieces in the Paris outcome we can build a durable agreement to deliver even greater action in the years to come. After all, the first step is often the hardest. It won't be easy, but citizens are demanding climate action so leaders must rise to challenge.
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A big reason that is happening is because birth control in Africa, Asia, India, and the Middle East doesn't seem to be on the table. Then climate and environmental problems that change entire countries economies (fishing and farming are two big ones) lead to power struggles and problems. And people have to leave to survive elsewhere. And there are enough of them that they don't have to adapt to the new culture to fit in.
That's a shame because its a measure that would get my full support in order to combat climate change.
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Exactly.
Nobody in their right mind would spend their own money trying to combat climate change because the costs are incredibly high while the benefits are negligible. There's no guarantee of any payback. Only government - an organisation which has no moral objection to squandering limitless sums of other people's money on vanity projects- would indulge in such a scheme because they can pass the costs on to the taxpayer while creating loads of cushy paper shuffling jobs for themselves in the process. "We need these jobs to save the planet" they argue. Righto.

Its so not about The Science its unreal. Its amount money, power and forcing your ideology onto everybody else whatever the cost.
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Plenty of people are spending their "own money" fighting climate change and are improving their lives in the process. Houses that are energy efficient, wind turbines and solar panels, LED lights, local fresh food all make life better and reduce pollution and CO2 emissions.

The government is there just to make sure the spiteful idiots don't wreck it and promote things to make it happen, along with taking bigger actions that individuals can't do that make a big impact.

The deniers have lost the science argument over and over, so now they have to come up with something else. And they should be worried that their big money source that funds their politicians and their agenda is going bankrupt and losing tons of money. It is about time the power of the coal and oil industry and their hoards of employees who troll the internet gets taken down.
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It really isn't about The Science. Its about crypto-Marxist ideology. You can tell this because the alarmists keep moving the goal posts every 5 minutes to keep the scare mongering up. Its about the Ozone Layer and CFC's, or global warming, or deforestation, or climate change, or ocean acidification, or extreme weather etc etc. Genuine scientists wouldn't present a jumbled up mess like this as a theory because its so convoluted and confused nobody would be able to recreate it in the lab to test it. Climate Change is the art of Junk Science combined with leftist political activism.
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The conservatives have no clue what physics is. It can be recreated in a lab. CO2 gas retains heat. We have satellites that monitor pollution around the world now, so it matches what was predicted and measured on the ground.

Removing CFC's and the ozone hole was 30 years ago and a success. If we went back to using CFC's, it would lead to the same problem. There is a reason the international community signed on to stop using it. It isn't some leftist conspiracy, it is reality.
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I never suggested its a conspiracy. Humans have a long track record of making important decisions based upon raw emotion rather than objective analysis hence why religion is so prevalent and why entire populations have been taken in by misguided ideologies such as communism or fascism. Climate Change is no different. Its a supposedly 'scientific' explanation of why capitalism is bad and why it needs urgently replacing with taxation, regulation and state socialism. In its own way its no more scientific than Marxism (an ideology which also claims to be rooted in science)
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Shipping Emissions Must Be Tackled at COP21 with Advances such as Sail Power

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The UN Climate Conference in Paris (COP21) is well underway with positive momentum to adopt a new climate change agreement. The draft Paris agreement calls for parties to keep the global temperature well below 2°C (or below 1.5°C if this language is chosen) above pre-industrial levels. Each party shows how it will do its part by submitting an Intended Nationally Determined Contribution (INDC); 186 parties are represented so far in INDCs. Unfortunately, though, the INDCs fall short of getting us even to 2 °C.



Maritime shipping emissions must be part of the global solution. This has been made clear in Paris with significant side events dedicated to shipping. Maritime shipping is the most used means of transport around the world. About 90% of all international exchanges go through maritime shipping. In 2014, about 10 billion tons of cargo were moved by sea.

Yet the industry remains outdated and flat out dirty, in terms of its dependency on fossil fuels and greenhouse-gas (GHG) emissions. Shipping emissions are projected to increase significantly in the coming decades, between 50-250% to 2050, if business-as-usual does not change. (See the International Maritime Organization (IMO) “Third IMO GHG Gas Study 2014.”) Thus, the industry’s current worldwide contribution of GHG at about 2.2% will not stay this low for very long.


Section 20 of the draft Paris agreement would give the IMO continued power to oversee GHG shipping emissions. The Kyoto Protocol also deferred to the IMO for shipping. However, the IMO has thus far failed to pursue significant climate change regulations for the shipping sector. Shipping needs to adopt smarter and greener ways to carry cargo across the world’s seas. It needs to transform from a fossil fuel sector to a wind energy sector. If a signed Paris Agreement gives the IMO responsibility of reducing GHGs in shipping, the IMO must make this happen.


“It is not acceptable that a sector [maritime shipping] is increasing its emissions when all the world is fighting to reduce their emissions,” said Niclas Svenningsen, of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), at a side event of COP21.
The industry has been late in transforming itself – energy wise. It has been grasping at ‘low-hanging fruit’ to achieve small CO2 reductions. Liquefied natural gas (LNG) has distracted smart-thinking investors away from renewables. Reducing ship-speeds reduces emissions, but this does not result in fuel-use transformation. The shipping industry’s conservative scenarios hold the unfounded assumption that affordable, ample oil will be available for decades. But what is needed is strong leadership to steer strategic, long-term thinkers away from dirty fuels to clean technologies – especially wind.


It is important to realize that investment projects that happen in the shipping sector today are going to stay with us for ten or twenty years to come. A ship being built today will likely be in operation for the next three decades. But how long can the status quo endure in a fast-changing world, that has seen 2015 as the hottest year in human memory? A levy on bunker fuels can help, but we need to demand the use of the seas’ clean, abundant resource – the wind.


“Shipping needs to turn green,” said Sturla Henriksen, CEO of the Norwegian Shipowners’ Association. There is no other choice now but to embrace smart innovations and to reduce GHG in shipping. “There is no Plan B. We have to reduce emissions,” said Niclas Svenningsen, UNFCCC. So why is it that ship designs employing large-scale sail systems still look futuristic?


Innovations in sail technology are actually further ahead than most of the world realizes. The Ecoliner, a hybrid sailing cargo ship designed by Dutch naval architects Dykstra, as part of the EU-funded SAIL consortium project, offers massive energy efficiency gains under optimum sailing conditions (not using the auxiliary engine).


B9 Shipping is developing a 100% renewably powered, commercially and technically viable sailing hybrid cargo ship to be commercially viable today and future-proofed for a 30-year lifespan. “The people who harness ‘free fuel’ will be the energy tycoons of the future,” said Diane Gilpin of B9 and the Smart Green Shipping Alliance in Paris.”


Simultaneously, there is rapid growth in the use of traditional sailing ships, with and without engines, moving high-quality, organic products to growing niche markets. Significant global reductions in GHG emissions will also happen with decreased trade volumes overall. This is inevitable due to realities of climate protection and supply constraints for easily extracted, lower-sulfur petroleum. Consumers need to begin to understand their energy-demands and how much GHG their product-shipments are emitting. At the Paris conference, projects promoting local-based economies and decreased consumption are being praised as the sustainable future.


COP21 in Paris is putting in place a regulatory framework to address GHG emissions worldwide. SAIL MED proposed stronger language for the shipping sector to include the use of renewable energy and specifically sail technology in the new Agreement. (The suggested language is available here.) This draft language has been shared with stakeholders and policy makers at COP21, including several island nations as well as Monaco. SAIL MED and Sail Transport Network have directly involved states in considering sail power for their national climate strategies. The suggested shipping-emissions language in the draft climate agreement has also been widely Tweeted. (@sail_med).



A clear regulatory signal from Paris for COP21 can help drive technological and transformational change in the shipping industry. Although the Paris agreement will be non-binding on the parties, the massive support and momentum it has generated can make countries feel responsible and act smarter about GHG emissions and shipping. But it is also up to consumers, producers, ship owners, local producers, port states and flag states to demand that shipping cleans up its act and sails forward on a responsible course of clean transport.

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Nobody in their right mind would spend their own money trying to combat climate change because the costs are incredibly high while the benefits are negligible. There's no guarantee of any payback. Only government - an organisation which has no moral objection to squandering limitless sums of other people's money on vanity projects- would indulge in such a scheme because they can pass the costs on to the taxpayer while creating loads of cushy paper shuffling jobs for themselves in the process. "We need these jobs to save the planet" they argue. Righto.

Its so not about The Science its unreal. Its amount money, power and forcing your ideology onto everybody else whatever the cost.
That's the challenge of renewable forms of energy. There needs to be some sort of financial incentive for the private sector to pursue it. If change doesn't happen soon enough, then more radical side of the environmental movement will take place. Just taxing us at huge rates instead of letting it organically move to renewable forms of energy.
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It really isn't about The Science. Its about crypto-Marxist ideology. You can tell this because the alarmists keep moving the goal posts every 5 minutes to keep the scare mongering up. Its about the Ozone Layer and CFC's, or global warming, or deforestation, or climate change, or ocean acidification, or extreme weather etc etc. Genuine scientists wouldn't present a jumbled up mess like this as a theory because its so convoluted and confused nobody would be able to recreate it in the lab to test it. Climate Change is the art of Junk Science combined with leftist political activism.
I do believe there is definitely fear mongering involved on this issue. But how is this any different than the fear mongering involved on the right? That people concerned about the environment are all marxists and communists wanting a complete government take over. I am concerned about climate change because of the evidence of its effects. But I think there is a middle ground that should be taken.

Ignoring climate science is no different than ignoring medical science and vaccines. The scientific community doesn't operate in a conspiracy left wing ideology. And to suggest that is absolutely absurd.
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You'd have thought these activists would have more important things to worry about given recent events.
Yeah, why worry about the deaths of millions of people, massive droughts, flooding, billions in property damage, mass displacements of people, disappearing of glaciers critical for feeding river systems in fertile regions, and continued funding of terrorism and war through massive oil profits when we can be obsessing instead over.... terrorist attacks.

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It really isn't about The Science. Its about crypto-Marxist ideology. You can tell this because the alarmists keep moving the goal posts every 5 minutes to keep the scare mongering up. Its about the Ozone Layer and CFC's, or global warming, or deforestation, or climate change, or ocean acidification, or extreme weather etc etc. Genuine scientists wouldn't present a jumbled up mess like this as a theory because its so convoluted and confused nobody would be able to recreate it in the lab to test it. Climate Change is the art of Junk Science combined with leftist political activism.
You're almost there. Just add pink unicorns and foot soldiers of the Illuminati and you'll be onto something.
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I do believe there is definitely fear mongering involved on this issue. But how is this any different than the fear mongering involved on the right? That people concerned about the environment are all marxists and communists wanting a complete government take over. I am concerned about climate change because of the evidence of its effects. But I think there is a middle ground that should be taken.

Ignoring climate science is no different than ignoring medical science and vaccines. The scientific community doesn't operate in a conspiracy left wing ideology. And to suggest that is absolutely absurd.
All the Climate Scientists are in the pay of Big Government, of course they're going to argue the case for more government to help protect us from the threat of climate change. They have a vested financial interest in doing so. This isn't a conspiracy just a case of left-wing activists doing what left-wing activists do: arguing for socialism. Its notable that the UK's foremost climatic research body is located on a university campus, are you suggesting that British universities don't have a left-wing bias? Come on. I've been to one and I know how it works.
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Yeah, why worry about the deaths of millions of people, massive droughts, flooding, billions in property damage, mass displacements of people, disappearing of glaciers critical for feeding river systems in fertile regions, and continued funding of terrorism and war through massive oil profits when we can be obsessing instead over.... terrorist attacks.
Its called nature. Sometimes events happen that are out of our control. Even if we did everything the climate change activists asked of us these events would still take place, a few windmills won't solve anything.

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Of course, because its not like large groups of people could ever be wrong about something. *cough cough* religion.
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I do believe there is definitely fear mongering involved on this issue. But how is this any different than the fear mongering involved on the right? That people concerned about the environment are all marxists and communists wanting a complete government take over. I am concerned about climate change because of the evidence of its effects. But I think there is a middle ground that should be taken.

Ignoring climate science is no different than ignoring medical science and vaccines. The scientific community doesn't operate in a conspiracy left wing ideology. And to suggest that is absolutely absurd.
I'm quite disappointed that you think I think climate change is a conspiracy. Its no more a conspiracy than any other left-wing ideology like socialism or communism. Certain people have a tendency to latch on to certain ideas climate change became popular just as the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 90's. It was the perfect substitute as it allowed the same people to continue to bash capitalism, albeit under a different banner.
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We don't want London, NYC, or LA to turn back into this:

Delhi, India


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That is what would happen if the conservatives got their way to let their friends in the coal and oil industry have a free for all with "cheap" energy with no environmental safeguards. It happened in the past, and there are even more people in those cities today.

And it's not "communism" or "socialism" to want to reduce greenhouse gasses. Unless you are worried that the financiers of your political agenda will be hurt by reductions in subsidies, increased taxes, and quotas on emissions which will help the left-wing.
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They are riding their bikes into savings! Think of how much more expensive things will be if we decide to reduce growth, acknowledge that there are simply too many of us, and gradually switch to renewable sources of energy over the next 20 years.
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