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Britain has passed the 'most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy


This hasn't been mentioned on the BBC or most of the newspapers here in the UK (which has raised a few eye brows to say the least) thankfully though, places like Reddit have had pretty big discussions on the topic. In the last week or so, the UK government has pushed through the "Snoopers Charter" - a piece of legislation that is a metaphorical kicks to the nuts for personal privacy of UK citizens.

Here's the important thing to remember however: The UK and American government were already doing this (see Edward Snowden's leaks) - this is merely formalising it into law so people can't put forward a legal case against them.

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-All internet searches will be recorded for 12 months by Internet Service Providers(ISP's) and given to police/government if under suspicion.

-All phone calls will also be recorded as meta data, so they know the time and what number you're calling.

-Computers, phones and any other device can be hacked by government/police to record your voice or show your location if under suspicion.




http://www.zdnet.com/article/snooper...s-becomes-law/

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-The UK government are also planning a second part to these anti-privacy laws. They're trying to push through mandatory identity verification with porn sites - an underhand way of forcing you to reveal your identity when browsing basically. So err, stock up on your porn now lolz.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...d-age-controls

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Yeah, disconcerting stuff to be sure. The beginnings of a police state, no hyperbole; this represents unprecedented levels of surveillance into the personal lives of citizens, given the ubiquity of the internet. Hopefully this cancer won't spread to other countries. Glad to not be British right now. What a year, huh?

Oh, and the porn things is bonkers. Who the hell wants to enter ID when browsing porn? I think a lot of people are going to learn what proxies are.
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I don't live in the UK, but if they had this in the US, it wouldn't bother me. They want to know who called me? No one, that's who. They are welcome to that information. The computer already seems to know everything I'm shopping for on the internet based on the ads it shows me. They want to know what games I play and what sites (like this one) I belong to? They're welcome to know. What do I care? They want to hack my computer and read my emails and SAS posts? They're in for a boring lot of nothing.

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Two problems with that.

They'll have so much data, they won't be able to make any sense of it all and will probably miss warnings like the Bush administration did in 2001.

They could use if for political purposes.

We saw the FBI create a scandal less than a week before our election at a time when Hillary was gaining in popularity. That put an end to her momentum and possibly gave the win to Trump.
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You are allowed to look at porn sites are you not ? What are they going to do if they identify you, threaten to spill the beans to your missus? I don't understand why they would do that unless its to catch people looking at illegal stuff and if so whats the problem with them doing that? Although you would rather they concentrate on shutting it down and nailing the perpetrators.

But I get the general point. If you could trust the ****ers in the first place and then trust them to use it for the right reasons then it wouldn't be so bad

The problem with all these kind of things is that it can push things further underground and hence more dangerous at times.
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I don't live in the UK, but if they had this in the US, it wouldn't bother me. They want to know who called me? No one, that's who. They are welcome to that information. The computer already seems to know everything I'm shopping for on the internet based on the ads it shows me. They want to know what games I play and what sites (like this one) I belong to? They're welcome to know. What do I care? They want to hack my computer and read my emails and SAS posts? They're in for a boring lot of nothing.
That's how I feel when people worry that the government is monitoring them. I just don't do anything interesting enough for the government to care about. I'm not sure why people think the government cares about their porn viewing.

I think collecting data is fine as long as a warrant is required to look at or use that data. Telephone companies already collect our phone data. Our browsers keep a history of our searches that any hacker can get access to.

Remember, that governments have had the ability to get warrants and tap phones forever. Why should it be any different in the digital age?

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spill the beans - porn sites ha - sorry
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That's how I feel when people worry that the government is monitoring them. I just don't do anything interesting enough for the government to care about. I'm not sure why people think the government cares about their porn viewing.

I think collecting data is fine as long as a warrant is required to look at or use that data. Telephone companies already collect our phone data. Our browsers keep a history of our searches that any hacker can get access to.

Remember, that governments have had the ability to get warrants and tap phones forever. Why should it be any different in the digital age?
When these sites databases are inevetibly hacked, everyone's name will be attatched to what they are watching/reading/looking at (who knows how they will define porn? Could be any adult site.) Along with other info. This can then be used for blackmail etc. I certainly wouldn't want to be famous and living in the UK.

Granted we should do away with the moral prudishness that allows people to care/be so ridiculously judgmental in the first place, but I'm not holding my breath for that being soon.

People shouldn't be forced into that position - or into the position of being publically outed for their sexuality. 'He only watches gay porn?' It speaks for itself...

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Brits willingly gave up their gun rights, turning them from citizens to subjects.

Don't you enjoy your nanny making sure you're safe and that you behave?

You had 5M surveillance cameras and growing. Pull that crap in the US and 5M cameras would be blown away with guns.
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Not personally concerned about this. Surely it's a good thing.

They should easily be able to foil terrorist plots with surveillance like this as well as other criminal activity. That goes without saying - that's the whole point in it.

Unless you are up to some dodgy stuff, then you shouldn't need to worry.

Who cares if they are listening to a conversation between you and your nan about Great British Bake off. Or if they are listening to your sexy conversation about dildos with your girlfriend.

Maybe it would be a little worrying for people that they are looking through your file of nude photos, but that's the worse that could happen if your a non-criminal.



The porn ID thing is worrying as I do love my porn, you can get whatever porn you want, whenever you want it, for free. Having an obstruction between me and my porn would suck.
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I don't live in the UK, but if they had this in the US, it wouldn't bother me. They want to know who called me? No one, that's who. They are welcome to that information. The computer already seems to know everything I'm shopping for on the internet based on the ads it shows me. They want to know what games I play and what sites (like this one) I belong to? They're welcome to know. What do I care? They want to hack my computer and read my emails and SAS posts? They're in for a boring lot of nothing.
How okay are you with them recording anything you say while within proximity of your mic and recording anything seen on your webcam?
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By going on a computer/smart phone/social media you are giving up your privacy anyways.



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-All internet searches will be recorded for 12 months by Internet Service Providers(ISP's) and given to police/government if under suspicion.

-All phone calls will also be recorded as meta data, so they know the time and what number you're calling.

-Computers, phones and any other device can be hacked by government/police to record your voice or show your location if under suspicion.
How else are they going to know, and punish you, if you've accessed porn without express permission from the Queen? Clearly this is a just and necessary measure
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How okay are you with them recording anything you say while within proximity of your mic and recording anything seen on your webcam?
Fine with me. They'll hear me talking to my dog and see a 50 year old lady sitting in her pajamas. Maybe if I left the computer open near the bed they might see a very bad angle of two old people having uninteresting sex. Just not much to see here folks. They'd move along quickly to someone more interesting.

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