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Bloomberg: Most agree with Trump, America is not great anymore


Most Agree With Trump on America's Lost Greatness, Bloomberg Poll Finds

A national survey finds that 72 percent of Americans say their country isn't as great as it once was—a central theme of front-runner Donald Trump's campaign.


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Americans are “fed up” with politics, suspect the wealthy are getting an unfair edge, and think the country is going in the wrong direction, according to a new Bloomberg Politics poll that lays bare the depth and breadth of the discontents propelling outsider candidates in the Republican presidential field.

The survey shows that 72 percent of Americans think their country isn't as great as it once was—a central theme of front-runner Donald Trump's campaign. More than a third prefer a presidential candidate without experience in public office.
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Three of the four candidates leading the Republican field fit that description: Trump, the first choice of 21 percent of registered Republicans and voters who say they lean that way, followed by neurosurgeon Ben Carson with 16 percent, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush with 13 percent, and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina with 11 percent.

Fiorina and Carson have seen the strongest gains among Republicans since the survey was taken a month ago. In the interim, voters have had their first extended looks at the candidates in two nationally televised debates. Fiorina's numbers, at 1 percent in the August poll, leaped by 10 percentage points while Carson jumped 11 percentage points, up from 5 percent. Trump's numbers have remained unchanged. Together, the three candidates who have never held political office account for 48 percent of the Republican vote.

“At some level, it is a risk to elect a person with no experience in government,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of West Des Moines-based Selzer & Co., which conducted the poll. “Republicans, especially, seem ready to take that risk.”

After nominating politicians with solid government resumes again and again, Selzer said, the electorate seems interested in going another direction. “They see a nation falling behind or outright failing,” she said. “Whether it is an act of courage or an act of despair, more than a third are opting to take the risk of backing a genuine outsider.”

Thirty-seven percent of Americans say they're more drawn to a presidential candidate who is a government outsider but who has also been a leader, handled complex issues, and managed teams to get things done. Among Republicans and those who lean that way, the preference for outsider candidates is even more pronounced: 51 percent, compared to 24 percent among Democrats.

Florida Senator Marco Rubio, the youngest candidate in the field and an impassioned speaker, has made an impression on voters. His 60 percent favorability rating was second only to Carson's 68 percent. Fiorina, a relative novice to the national stage, matched Bush, the son and brother of presidents, at 57 percent.

Carly Fiorina, former chairman and chief executive officer of Hewlett-Packard Co., is enjoying a bounce after her latest poll performance.

Carly Fiorina, former chairman and chief executive officer of Hewlett-Packard Co., is enjoying a bounce after her latest poll performance. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
“She's very articulate, has great control, is intelligent,” said Paula Gartside, a 50-year-old paralegal and substitute teacher in Pennsylvania who is supporting Fiorina after being impressed by her last debate performance. “I don't think she pulls any punches. What you see is what you get.”

The two candidates with the highest unfavorable ratings are Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, at 42 percent, and Trump, at 40 percent. Still, those who like Trump are strongly supportive. “He's an outsider,” said Darleen Starcher, 61, a North Carolina resident who likes Trump. “He's not wanting or caring about being politically correct. He wants to make us better again. He wants to make us No. 1 again.”

The primary campaign is playing out before an electorate that's in a sour mood, with 66 percent of Americans saying the nation is headed in the wrong direction. That's the highest level recorded in a Bloomberg national poll since December 2013, when the economy was in worse shape than it is today. Given a series of choices about the greatness of America, 47 percent picked “falling behind,” while 25 percent said “failing.” Asked to name the biggest threats to American greatness, more cited “moral decay” (32 percent) and “our own lagging work ethic” (27 percent) than the rise of the Islamic State (26 percent) and competition with China (21 percent). A quarter of those responding also cited a “concentration of the nation's wealth among a very few individuals.”

Economically, the poll shows the nation's mood is bittersweet. On overall financial security, 27 percent of Americans say things are getting better, compared to 15 percent who say their situation is getting worse. The same pattern holds for job security (20 percent better, 13 percent worse) and market value of home (29 percent better, 14 percent worse). On performance of investments, 21 percent of Americans say their situation is getting worse, compared to 18 percent who say better. For all four economic indicators, the percentage of people saying they expect their situation to get better is lower than it was five months ago when Bloomberg asked similar questions.

Donald Trump Tops Bloomberg Poll With 21%

And while a majority of 54 percent say they're moving closer, not further away, from their hopes for their career and/or finances, there are other indications of simmering economic discontents: a much larger majority—70 percent—say they see the gap between rich and everyone else as getting bigger. And 73 percent say that the tax code should be reformed so the wealthy pay proportionately more than middle-class people, a theme that's been picked up by candidates running the ideological gamut from Trump to Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Nearly three-quarters of Americans say they're fed up with politics and think it amounts to “people playing games,” while 59 percent say the political system is broken and the nation needs to “just start over.” Yet if citizens are disgusted, they are not cynical about democracy. Only 30 percent think their vote doesn't matter and most believe that the political process is important. Just 19 percent agree with the statement “I'm not affected by politics—it doesn't matter which party is in power.” Asked for their review of the 2016 campaign so far, 53 percent rated it “entertaining.”



The poll of 1,001 U.S. adults, including 391 registered Republicans and Republican-leaning voters, was conducted from Sept. 18-21. The margin of error on the full sample is plus/minus 3.1 percentage points
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The country is indeed isn't as good as it used to be.

Donald Trump, however, is far from the solution to this issue.
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Doesn't everyone in every country claim that there country used to be a lot better? When will people grow up and stop yearning for a past which never existed?
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More than a third prefer a presidential candidate without experience in public office.
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The country is indeed isn't as good as it used to be.

Donald Trump, however, is far from the solution to this issue.
He's not the best candidate but he's the only one saying what needs to be said.

People say, do we really want a billionaire running this country?

Probably not. Most would prefer a more humble man. BUT...maybe a billionaire is the only one that can because he's not beholden to special interest groups and large donors. He can do what needs to be done without fear of losing donations and being politically incorrect. Trump is a political outsider who doesn't play the D.C. game. He's a businessman. We need a nonpolitician for a change.

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I suspect the wealthy are getting an unfair advantage in politics...so let's elect a billionaire who cares more about himself and his money than he does for "average" Americans lol it's such a brilliant idea, it could never fail.
Their money can't tempt Trump. He's immune to them.

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I suspect the wealthy are getting an unfair advantage in politics...so let's elect a billionaire who cares more about himself and his money than he does for "average" Americans lol it's such a brilliant idea, it could never fail.
Exactly. Whether it's the "run America like a business" notion or the weird idea that he's going to write a check out of his own money to fix something... we're gonna have a bad time.

The fun is over anyway. This assclown isn't winning.
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Exactly. Whether it's the "run America like a business" notion or the weird idea that he's going to write a check out of his own money to fix something... we're gonna have a bad time.

The fun is over anyway. This assclown isn't winning.
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Nobody's expecting him to foot the bill out of his own pocket for government programs. It's just that he won't have to worry about offending some PC political group to get elected.


And you're right, he can't win. Neither can Socialist Sanders.

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Yeah, this country used to be awesome back before we gave blacks and women equal rights. But when they were still oppressed life was good. A black guy would shine your shoes in the morning and your wife would have dinner ready for you the moment you got home.


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It's been going downhill for quite a while. Obama didn't start it, he just gave it a big push.
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Bernie wants government control over everything and Trump wants the free market.

And corporations ARE people under the law. They are treated the same as a person in the legal system. Corporations are owned by stockholders who are people.

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I'm just glad there might finally be a president willing to point out how terrible America is.

Because Obama...was...not good...enough. At doing that?

Wait. A bit confused. Is saying America is sh*t good or bad? Or is the only relevant fact whether the Kenyan Muslim is saying it?

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It's been going downhill for quite a while. Obama didn't start it, he just gave it a big push.
The country was a mess when Obama took office after 8 years of a Republican administration. Before Clinton we had 12 years of Republican administrations.

It's like you don't remember the state the country was in when Obama took office.

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“At some level, it is a risk to elect a person with no experience in government,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of West Des Moines-based Selzer & Co., which conducted the poll. “Republicans, especially, seem ready to take that risk.”

Isn't this how we got the Obomination? A one-term Senator from Illinois who thinks his poo doesn't stink?

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Yeah, this country used to be awesome back before we gave blacks and women equal rights. But when they were still oppressed life was good. A black guy would shine your shoes in the morning and your wife would have dinner ready for you the moment you got home.

Those were the days. Posting a pic of roast dinner onto social media. "Hey, honey, this roast looks great. I uploaded it and tagged everyone sitting around the table!" "That's nice, dear."
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lol it's a shame right, the US no longer being the hegemonist country

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“At some level, it is a risk to elect a person with no experience in government,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of West Des Moines-based Selzer & Co., which conducted the poll. “Republicans, especially, seem ready to take that risk.”

Isn't this how we got the Obomination? A one-term Senator from Illinois who thinks his poo doesn't stink?
Good point. The Lefties weren't bothered at all by Barry's lack of political experience which, at that time, consisted of one term in the Illinois State Senate and 143 days (most of which time he spent voting "present" ) in the U.S. Senate.

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Curious what your kindergarten nickname for G.W. Bush is...ya know, the worst president in your countries history...in case you forgot...
Worst president is Obama. Before that it was Jimmy Carter.

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