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Bernie Sanders Leaves the Democratic Party


He was never really a Democrat anyway, he was an Independent. He just became a Democrat so he could run for POTUS. He's always been too Socialist for the Democrats but I think now the Democrats have caught up to him.

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Bernie Sanders Leaves the Democratic Party

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The nomination was barely sealed up at the Democratic National Convention before Bernie Sanders, who had campaigned against Hillary Clinton for the party’s nod, went back to being an Independent.

Sanders, who considers himself, officially, an Independent in Congress because his views lean further left than the Democratic party’s platform, caucuses with Democrats. But until declaring an intention to run for the presidency in 2015, he had rarely, if ever, identified as a member of the Democratic Party (he’s been in politics since 1979).

And now, despite pleading with his base to support Hillary, even though they’re concerned that she’s too moderate, Sanders will return to Vermont and to his seat in the Senate, and he’ll do it with no official party affiliation.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was forced to resign as Chairwoman of the DNC after leaked emails revealed she’d tried to keep Sanders from challenging Clinton for the party’s nomination, might even be vindicated—sort of.

Sanders has struggled all along with whether to call himself a Democrat, even ducking the question of his party affiliation, raised by local Vermont media, just days after he declared. He later tried to reinforce that he was, indeed, a Democrat. But Sanders certainly wasn’t a party player—and that’s exactly the concern Wasserman Schultz voiced in the Wikileaks document dump.

In an April 24 email she received with an article describing the ways Sanders felt the DNC was undermining his campaign, she wrote back, “Spoken like someone who has never been a member of the Democratic Party and has no understanding of what we do.”
If Wasserman Schultz’s job was to ensure that a Democrat got the Democratic party nomination, then she might have been doing her job correctly (even if Bernie’s supporters would disagree).

There’s the additional complication, of course, that Wasserman Schultz was a vocal Clinton supporter, a Clinton surrogate and is now a senior adviser to the campaign, as she’s been officially booted from her DNC duties. But if anyone is vindicating her position, it’s Sanders, dumping the Democratic party as soon as it was no longer useful.
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post #2 of 35 (permalink) Old 07-28-2016, 10:32 AM
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I find it quite pathetic that the US is so beholden to the idea of a 2 party system, that a man liberals should adore had to compromise his ideals for one instance in history to try and win the nomination of those whom never accepted him and would never accept him.

Quite dissatisfying times we live in.

We haven't lived in anything remotely close to "real" since the turn of the century.
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I find it quite pathetic that the US is so beholden to the idea of a 2 party system, that a man liberals should adore had to compromise his ideals for one instance in history to try and win the nomination of those whom never accepted him.

Quite dissatisfying times we live in.
Oh please. Bernie is just Obama without the mask.

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Oh please. Bernie is just Obama without the mask.
If only that were true.
Bernie has spoken in favour of Scandinavian-style systems while Obama, on many issues, would be too conservative to get elected here.
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I find it quite pathetic that the US is so beholden to the idea of a 2 party system, that a man liberals should adore had to compromise his ideals for one instance in history to try and win the nomination of those whom never accepted him and would never accept him.

Quite dissatisfying times we live in.
It really IS pathetic how the nation that is proudest to proclaim democracy has such a corrupt political election process. That worthy candidates can't be themselves and have to weasel their way in to the 2-party system to have any serious consideration (Personally, I think Jesse Ventura nailed this point perfectly in his book "Demo-crips and Re-blood-licans: No More Gangs in Government". I think everybody should read it).

I would also have to say "Shame" to the US citizens themselves for being so complacent.

It's also incredibly noteworthy that the strongest political movements of 2016, Trump and Sanders, weren't real members of their respective parties. The big difference to me is that Donald Trump got the job done and Bernie didn't. All else aside, you have to give Donald Trump a lot of credit to win against the party system.

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Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Every way you look at this you lose.

Where have you gone, Bernie Sanders?
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What's that you say, Donald Trump?
'Feel The Bern' has left and gone away.
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It's sad how one has to align themselves on the surface with one of the two major political parties in order to get any attention. Political parties doesn't really mean a thing. Like a group of people wearing red and a group of people wearing blue all of a sudden decide to align themselves as whole. They will intentionally go with how their own colored clothing group thinks and think in whatever is opposite of what the other colored group thinks. Even if this is truly not what they believe in. But they have to go to along with their group to be a part of it. This is how they can be cool in others eyes. This is pretty much the same concept of a politician.
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He could have left with his dignity intact if he hadn't acted as a puppet for Clinton on his way out.


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I find it quite pathetic that the US is so beholden to the idea of a 2 party system, that a man liberals should adore had to compromise his ideals for one instance in history to try and win the nomination of those whom never accepted him and would never accept him.

Quite dissatisfying times we live in.
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He could have left with his dignity intact if he hadn't acted as a puppet for Clinton on his way out.
I was thinking this, but honestly, the guy likes and respects people. Including the voters not voting for him. So... He played it nice. "You've chosen her. That's cool beans. Goodnight and good luck."

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Bernie had a YUUUGE influence on the Democratic party platform. They've adapted many of his proposals. Now there just needs to be a Democratic Congress so something can get done (along with Hillary getting elected).
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Good for him, still don't get why he endorsed Hillary Clinton over Jill Stein though.

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If only that were true.
Bernie has spoken in favour of Scandinavian-style systems while Obama, on many issues, would be too conservative to get elected here.
Now go back and re-read what I wrote.

If Sanders actually was anti-establishment.......

1. It would still be creepy AF because Sanders is creepy AF and socialism (including the Scandinavian flavor) is creepy AF. And the cult that worships him is creepy AF (especially in the context of the history of left wing radicals). But socialists in general are even creepier than the people who represent them so it is not really Sanders (or anyone like him) that worries me. It's the brainless drive for socialism that infests the movement and turns off the objectivity module in every socialist brain.

2. You would have never heard of him because the people who control the world control America and everything in it. You do not have a candidate in an election unless they ALLOW it to happen. So if you honestly believe this clown is an outsider, the jokes on you.

3. #2 is why #1. They sell themselves as some kind of alternative to the mainstream but they're not. They ARE the establishment.

You don't fool me. And Scandinavia doesn't have me fooled either.

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If only that were true.
Bernie has spoken in favour of Scandinavian-style systems while Obama, on many issues, would be too conservative to get elected here.
I agree. It always surprises me how Americans can't see the relativity of the term "socialist". For Americans, Obama and Sanders are centre-left and ultra-left politicians respectively, while for Scandinavians and others they're just centre-right and centre-left politicians respectively, nothing more. And I don't see some kind of apocalypse happening in those countries.

I smell overreaction, fear and ignorance.

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I guess this is his way of washing the blood off his hands from endorsing Hillary. He must repent of his sins by cleansing himself of the democratic party. I don't blame him. The establishment has been destroying souls for a long time (a variety of establishments have been doing this to people throughout human history really). You're less likely to remain pure unless you remain an outsider. Good for him.
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Democracy doesn't work when people refuse to participate if they don't get their way or their candidate doesn't win. That only leads to civil war.

Bernie Sanders voters are as Sarah Silverman said, "being ridiculous." Your candidate doesn't win so you're going to pout and allow a lunatic to be elected. When confronted about your pouting you'll rationalize your actions with bogus arguments. That's how democracy fails.

Bernie had a platform and Hillary had a platform. They had a meeting and merged the platforms. But that's not enough for Bernie or Bust people. It's their way or no way. That's not how democracy works!

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IMO democracy doesn't work just when people don't vote. If Bernie supporters understood the importance of voting they'd just debate and decide between one of the other two (the lesser evil technically). Something similar happened in the last presidential election in my country (the abstention was about 58%, therefore just the 25% of adults chose our current president. Definitely not a democracy).

Now the fact that these systems, somehow, always lead to a final election between two puppets from the two largest parties, is a different matter that currently I don't fully understand.
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