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I'm back! Nardil update!


Hi Friends!

I'm not going to write a long story here as it's archived in a lot of my posts.

Anyhow, I've been at 60mg Nardil for a good while. Total time on Nardil is about a year.

I was tired a lot being on Nardil + Klonopin. I pressured my doctor to get Provigil prescribed. I finally got it after a month of dealing with insurance!

Let me tell you this has been the best addition to my medication cocktail. I rarely have memory issues anymore. I can think faster and remember things. My focus is way better (I think I have had ADD or performance based ADD my whole life). Always had trouble reading and remembering things during SAT's in highschool. I would fail the english portion.

NOW let me add the greatest effect Provigil added: anti-depressant effects and ability to talk to people without being distracted by anxiety or fear. I feel hope for the future. I am actively searching for jobs. Seeing a therapist. Working to develop good habits, both mental and physical.

Before I started nardil i was in major depression state. That helped me like no other med ever did. But I was sick of being tired and hypotension. The addition of modafinil definatly helps both.

I ALWAYS sleep 8 hours. no matter what time i go to bed. 9 pm? wake up at 5 am. It doesn't matter. It's always 8 hours, like clockwork. I used to sleep in all the time (sign of depression).

SIDE EFFECTS:
I like to drink a lot of caffiene, which tends to interact with the modafinil (provigil) and makes me more anxious. I'm trying to cut the habit and maybe have 2 sodas a day. instead of the normal 6.

I notice I will sweat under my arm pits, even when i'm not particular anxious. I attribute this to too much caffiene.

Anorgasmia: Still have it from teh Nardil. I can get the job done occasionally but if ANY alcohol is drank, I can't even keep it up long.

Lack of Libido: now this might be related to me not exercising as much as i should nor eating properly. BUT today i have decided to go down to 45 mg per day to see if it lessens effect on libido and anorgasmia.

In addition to these meds. I started take more action towards my goals of getting a job and general productivity things.

This REALLY helps you with a lack of hope. Just taking any action will make you feel better about your life and yourself. You can't idle on the medication. You actually have to challenge yourself.

I haven't blushed or got super red and freeze up like I had used to before Nardil. Maybe ONE time since i've been on Nardil.

Trying to quit cigarettes as this adds anxiety as well, in addition to lack of oxygen to the brain. Sometimes I get dizzy standing up. Hydration is super important, especially if your'e on modafinil. Dehydration will = hypotension on Nardil and even more with modafinil since it's a diuretic (Plus caffiene). I smoke less green and feel less desire to drink alcohol. I know both of these things increase my anxiety 10 fold.

Feel free to ask any questions.

I have one: Does anyone find that 45 mg of Nardil lessens anorgasmia and increases Libido?

I feel if I can get my libido increased I will feel amazing. I plan to start lifting weights but it's just hard to get into the routine. Getting the ball rolling is always hard at first.

I want to be able to look at hot *** biches on the street and feel that inner feeling of arousal. From my time dating girls on Nardil, I could NEVER get off, it frustrated the **** out of me and especially my GF's. I actually prefered to not have sex because it was such hard work and could never get off and usually went soft. They felt I wasn't sexually attracted to them. They got insecure etc. They questioned if I masturbated alot or had sex with other girls lol.

I still haven't found a job, getting rejections left and right, no interviews landed yet. I'm running out of money and have about 2 months worth of rent left. I need to find job asap (i'm a software engineer with 9 years of experience, and quit my job a couple years ago due to stress and depression coming from work and from my mom developing a heart condition).

I'm getting questioned why there's a gap in my resume. I tell them the truth but I don't think that's going to work. I might have to end up making up something such as I started working on my own business or something.

Side tracked a little bit there but that's what is on my mind currently.

I've never had any hypertension episodes eating foods. I tend to avoid Chinese just in case. And anything aged or smoked. But I'm sure I have had tyramine at least a few times while on Nardil and never noticed anything.

I have found 2 GREAT books on SA. I've read a ton and have never got more insight and help from these 2 I recently found.

I hope this can help someone here. I hope you are all making progress. I hope you all understand that nobody is perfect, everyone feels anxiety, we just get it more severe in situations, which I attribute to our FEAR of being anxious in front of people. Then you got the cyclic anxiety -> fear of anxiety -> more anxiety. Talking to people without diagnosed SA tell me they feel anxiety when meeting people or doing new things, but they don't fear it or focus on it. They don't make it a "big deal". They push through the awkwardness as my friend once put it.

Without this forum I would have never heard of Nardil or Provigil. Most doctors are clueless SSRI distributors. Do not underestimate getting help from therapists.
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Hi man! Nice to see you, been a while!
Hope you are doing better!

Have 2 questions.
Are you still on Lamictal?

And have you found Nardil to help with anxity for you, you took Klonopin i think.

Hang in there and you get used to get turned down for jobs. (i didn't have anything more posetive to say about it)

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Hi Friends!
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your Nardil experience. Good luck on your job hunt.

It is disappointing to read that the anorgasmia and libido reduction has not reversed for you after a full year on Nardil, as I read that for many it does eventually vanish. Has it at least partially improved over the months?

You can try some aphrodisiacs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodisiac) to attempt to improve the anorgasmia and low libido. I hear cabergoline is a promising one.

I'd say lower doses of Nardil will definitely reduce the sexual dysfunction side effects. They do for me.

I have a question: did you experience any insomnia during your time on Nardil? If so, when does it go away?

Also, Jesus 6 sodas a day is a lot man. I would definitely cut that down, because I don't think such high sugar intake is good for you. Even if it is diet soda, you are still doing damage to your teeth.
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Did Nardil help you becoming more assertive? or make approaching girls easier? How about your self confidence and self esteem?

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Good to hear things are improving. Nice update!

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Hi man! Nice to see you, been a while!
Hope you are doing better!

Have 2 questions.
Are you still on Lamictal?

And have you found Nardil to help with anxity for you, you took Klonopin i think.

Hang in there and you get used to get turned down for jobs. (i didn't have anything more posetive to say about it)

Best wishes!!!/Alex
Hey Alex!

Yes still on Lamictal, went down to 50mg from 200mg as I felt I was having memory issues from it. Didn't notice much change going down. Not sure if it even does anything for me. Initially when I got on Lamictal (with no other meds except 20mg paxil) my weekly Migraines subsided.

Nardil on anxiety. Yes, it definitely helps with social anxiety. Still helps to this day. Note however: If i consume alcohol, the next day my social anxiety is back like a raging fire.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your Nardil experience. Good luck on your job hunt.

It is disappointing to read that the anorgasmia and libido reduction has not reversed for you after a full year on Nardil, as I read that for many it does eventually vanish. Has it at least partially improved over the months?

You can try some aphrodisiacs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodisiac) to attempt to improve the anorgasmia and low libido. I hear cabergoline is a promising one.

I'd say lower doses of Nardil will definitely reduce the sexual dysfunction side effects. They do for me.

I have a question: did you experience any insomnia during your time on Nardil? If so, when does it go away?

Also, Jesus 6 sodas a day is a lot man. I would definitely cut that down, because I don't think such high sugar intake is good for you. Even if it is diet soda, you are still doing damage to your teeth.
My anorgasmia has went away somewhat. Times I had it bad I know it was because I was eating poorly, not drinking enough water, too much caffiene. No exercise.

Lately I can get the deed done in less than 2 minutes watching porn lol.

I attribute some of the long lasting anorgasmia due to consumption of alcohol and weed. Alcohol is a killer. Too much weed is a killer.

I do have insomnia sometimes. But I can't figure out what it's caused by. Usually doing nothing and sitting on the computer all day perhaps. But over the counter sleep medication works pretty good. It's an antihistimine sleeping med, I can get the name if you want.

I know , I'm trying to slow down on the diet soda. It's just a habit I have a hard time breaking. In addition smoking cigs. Both are very stressful to quit. I know when I am busy and have things to do I do not crave cigs or diet sodas as much. Things like being active outside of the house.
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Did Nardil help you becoming more assertive? or make approaching girls easier? How about your self confidence and self esteem?
Approaching girls easier - not in real life. On dating apps - YES.

But this lasted only about 4 months as I was consuming alcohol a lot when I'd go on dates. I had 2 girlfriends, relationships lasted about 3 months. Went on a ton of dates off Tinder. After the last relationship ended poorly. I was given a taste of reality, she told me I needed to get my **** handled. (i was drinking too much and having too much fun, not looking for a job, just enjoying the effects nardil gave me, didn't even have hangovers for a while at teh start of Nardil)

Self confidence and self esteem yes it helps. But I realized it helps due to taking ACTION. The Nardil was the crutch and it got me to step outside my comfort zone. That was wonderful for my self esteem and confidence. But the demise of it all was too much alcohol consumption required to go out. (I've always been a drinker when i'd go out to bars due to extreme social anxiety all my life)

For the past half of the year I haven't been attempting to meet girls at all. I realize I have to get my **** handled with finding a job, learning to love myself completely, faults and all, before I can consider dating someone again seriously. Also a HUGE factor when I was dating women was that I couldn't get off at all and I would sweat profusely and run of out breath fast. This made me feel awful and the women question if I really was attracted to them.
I also have a huge self esteem issue with my lack of muscles. I weigh about 180, 6'1 height. But most of it is fat. I know its not ALL about looks. It's just, you see these guys that are bigger than you muscle wise, and see them getting hot chicks. My mind rationalizes that it's because they have great bodies. But in reality it's because they FEEL good about themselves, which is very attractive. Because on the flip side, you will see muscular men NOT getting hot girls. It's all based on self perception. Psycho cybernetics book explains this well.

What you perceive, you project. How you feel about yourself will reflect how others will feel about you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I know that I need to work out to FEEL good about myself. Not the muscles per se, but just to have my mind feel good about myself. Women do tend to give you more "interviews" if you are masculine looking. But if your mind isn't in congruence with how you look, they will walk when you open your mouth. The surface approval from women also helps you feel better about yourself, but basing it on approval of others will always be a shaky foundation. You got to feel good about yourself JUST BECAUSE you are handling your **** and working towards being a better man. I suppose if I were a monk I could discard the ego completely and live fully present and confident without needing any approval, but I'm not lol.

In addition, Nardil has made me gain weight, about 15 pounds so not too much, but I have a bloated belly all the time it seems like. I did have GI issues/ constipation before starting Nardil. Pretty sure it's due to years of alcohol abuse and stress.

I don't think I gained much weight as most because I tend to smoke cigarettes and drink caffeine a lot which keeps hunger at bay.

I no longer have the Nardil "smelly fart" syndrome though.

That goes away with time.
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