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Could you sleep though this:


I took 400mg of Provigil (2 pills) + 400mg caffeine (2 extra strength pills). I laid down expecting a 15 minuted nap; I slept for 6 hours.

Could anyone else manage to do that?
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Maybe in very high doses these substances have paradoxical effects?
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I took 400mg of Provigil (2 pills) + 400mg caffeine (2 extra strength pills). I laid down expecting a 15 minuted nap; I slept for 6 hours.

Could anyone else manage to do that?
Yes actually I could probably sleep through that. I've found that higher doses of caffeine makes me want to take a nap. I've never been on provigil however having tried adrafinil, it didn't really do anything.

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At another forum I read something from a user saying how modafinil is just like the limitless pill and how he learned more on 1 day than in an entire year when taking 4 modafinil per day. I really don't know if this can be taken seriously. Either there are some people who really get a totally strong effect from stimulants or they simply imagine it or they lie.
But reading this stuff upsets me cause I want the same effect.
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At another forum I read something from a user saying how modafinil is just like the limitless pill and how he learned more on 1 day than in an entire year when taking 4 modafinil per day. I really don't know if this can be taken seriously. Either there are some people who really get a totally strong effect from stimulants or they simply imagine it or they lie.
But reading this stuff upsets me cause I want the same effect.
I second that. I can study 10+ hours on modafinil and I am still zoned in like a cobra. However it wont turn a morron into isaac newton, so dont expect too much out of it
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Damn. How much do you take?

And do you like studying or do you hate it? I hate it and I don't know if there is any drug which makes you do things you hate.
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Damn. How much do you take?

And do you like studying or do you hate it? I hate it and I don't know if there is any drug which makes you do things you hate.

I dont hate studying, dont love it either. I enjoy it more than working for teh man in a dead end job though.
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I took 400mg of Provigil (2 pills) + 400mg caffeine (2 extra strength pills). I laid down expecting a 15 minuted nap; I slept for 6 hours.

Could anyone else manage to do that?
You have metabolism issues. Go get a cyp450 p test like I've said for the past 2 years instead of ranting about some rhetorical statement. Broken record player.

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You have metabolism issues. Go get a cyp450 p test like I've said for the past 2 years instead of ranting about some rhetorical statement. Broken record player.
I must admit, saying he's "not sure if he took 20 but did take 10 clonazolam" is pretty ridiculous considering just a couple of them are causing blackouts in other seasoned users. Across multiple forums too with some people getting withdrawals and massive seemingly irreversible tolerance issues after just a few days. I wouldn't really recommend them for those people, let alone new users where sub 1mg doses can seriously hit you. Many people are content at 0.25-1mg, yet he's not sure if he took 10mg, which is about (anecdotally and roughly) equivalent to 20-25mg Klonopin? Wtf?

There's also zero literature on them either, as they were worked on and binned by big pharma in the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know if even they're scrapping them.

Maybe he's a genetic freak, but for harm reduction it doesn't set the best example.

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In the past you have mentioned high blood pressure.

Anyone with high blood pressure and anxiety should get checked for a condition called pheochromocyt......

a small vascular tumor of the adrenal medulla, causing irregular secretion of epinephrine and norepinephrine, leading to attacks of raised blood pressure, palpitations, and headache.
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Many people are content at 0.25-1mg, yet he's not sure if he took 10mg, which is about (anecdotally and roughly) equivalent to 20-25mg Klonopin? Wtf?
Klonopin is FDA approved for up to 20mg a day for the treatment of seizures.

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There's also zero literature on them either, as they were worked on and binned by big pharma in the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know if even they're scrapping them.
Should I be impressed by the total crap that the dumbasses at the FDA approve based on it marginally beating a sugar pill over 12 weeks?

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Maybe he's a genetic freak, but for harm reduction it doesn't set the best example.
Allow me to repeat: I DO NOT RECOMMEND that anyone follow my example. If you do, odds are you're going to be having a long nap. My mother was nervous and I gave her a clonazolam -- she did not recall the 20 mile drive home and I had to hold her such that she she could make it into the house, where she slept on the floor for a couple hours. The next time she was nervous I gave her 0.5mg of Xanax which she handled just fine.

I failed to realize just how powerful clonazolam was, because to me they're not powerful at all to me.
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I must admit, saying he's "not sure if he took 20 but did take 10 clonazolam" is pretty ridiculous considering just a couple of them are causing blackouts in other seasoned users. Across multiple forums too with some people getting withdrawals and massive seemingly irreversible tolerance issues after just a few days. I wouldn't really recommend them for those people, let alone new users where sub 1mg doses can seriously hit you. Many people are content at 0.25-1mg, yet he's not sure if he took 10mg, which is about (anecdotally and roughly) equivalent to 20-25mg Klonopin? Wtf?

There's also zero literature on them either, as they were worked on and binned by big pharma in the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know if even they're scrapping them.

Maybe he's a genetic freak, but for harm reduction it doesn't set the best example.
I don't understand your reply at all. It had nothing to do with anything I said yet you quoted me. I'm talking about a genetic test to see his metabolism for specific enzymes that are used to metabolize psych drugs.

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And you still haven't replied about getting a CYP450 P test. They're not difficult to get and it would explain your metabolism issues.

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At another forum I read something from a user saying how modafinil is just like the limitless pill and how he learned more on 1 day than in an entire year when taking 4 modafinil per day. I really don't know if this can be taken seriously. Either there are some people who really get a totally strong effect from stimulants or they simply imagine it or they lie.
But reading this stuff upsets me cause I want the same effect.
The limitless pill is fiction. Welcome to reality, where no pill does that.

Not even a 70mg Vyvanse -- which will hit you like a freight train if you're not used to amphetamines -- can do that.
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Oh yeah. I can sleep pretty much anytime. If I lay down I'll go to sleep every time. Sometimes I put a cold can of Pepsi by my bed and drink it as I'm falling asleep. Caffeine doesn't phase me. Well, it does but in a good way. It gives me a very mild buzz but it doesn't keep me from sleeping like it does many people.

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At another forum I read something from a user saying how modafinil is just like the limitless pill and how he learned more on 1 day than in an entire year when taking 4 modafinil per day. I really don't know if this can be taken seriously. Either there are some people who really get a totally strong effect from stimulants or they simply imagine it or they lie.
But reading this stuff upsets me cause I want the same effect.
There is no such thomh. The limitless pill JUST PLAIN SILLLY
Are you seriously going to base you knowledge off what Hollywood tells you rather than AN ACTUAL USER TELLS YOU?
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I took 400mg of Provigil (2 pills) + 400mg caffeine (2 extra strength pills). I laid down expecting a 15 minuted nap; I slept for 6 hours.

Could anyone else manage to do that?
You sound like my boyfriend! He can sleep through anything, really. One time he slept for 26 hours straight and wouldn't wake up! I was ****ing terrified something was very wrong but no, he was just tired.
Do you recommend Provigil? And how do you go about getting it? He needs something to counter act this excessive tiredness.
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I can do the opposite. Although just high dose caffeine when I haven't gotten enough sleep often knocks me out cold for a couple hours. It's the best sleep I ever get. Every now and then when I'm starting to experience sleep deprivation and I get the most tired in the afternoon I will drink expresso to go to sleep. My psychiatrist keeps wondering what ADHD meds would do to me but for numerous reasons that is probably a bad idea to test out. I'm just going to get some oxiracetam again.

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In the past you have mentioned high blood pressure.

Anyone with high blood pressure and anxiety should get checked for a condition called pheochromocyt......

a small vascular tumor of the adrenal medulla, causing irregular secretion of epinephrine and norepinephrine, leading to attacks of raised blood pressure, palpitations, and headache.


I would note that I suffer from none of those things. I don't have "attacks" of raised blood pressure. I have consistently high blood pressure, though it's normal when medicated with 10mg of bisoprolol. And there is a much more likely reason to explain my high BP: it's the result of my high BMI.

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You have metabolism issues. Go get a cyp450 p test like I've said for the past 2 years instead of ranting about some rhetorical statement. Broken record player.
I just saw a sleep specialist last week and I have an upcoming appointment with them next week.
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