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post #21 of 26 (permalink) Old 03-16-2020, 02:19 PM
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Oh yeah I forgot but I had a dream which involved part of my body rotting years ago too. I think it was symbolic though.

Having them every night must be difficult. It's weird how some people are more prone to them than others. I wonder if it's related to the violence OCD? Like those feelings seep into your subconscious and manifest weirdly.

I don't watch much horror stuff but I think I'm probably the opposite though it depends. But the Saw films I watched didn't bother me that much for example. I think I tend to react to realistic stuff more with anger (if anything,) so it doesn't make me as scared, might make me cringe though. I mentioned this in another thread recently but Amnesia: The Dark Descent was pretty scary when I tried to play it. (Also watching people's reactions while playing that game is funny.) Also often the sound effects really mess with me. Psychological/supernatural stuff is more scary to me, but I find it very interesting at the same time.
My brother has a problem with nightmares, too. He's on medication for GAD. I think it's a vicious circle, in my case. Being trans exposes me to the threat of violence, which interacts with my genetic predisposition for anxiety, which fuels my OCD, which fuels my nightmares... My therapist thinks I have complex PTSD, in addition to my OCD and gender dysphoria, and she knows about my suicidal depression. But GD, OCD, cPTSD, suicidality, insomnia, and colitis aren't enough to qualify me for disability. You need psychosis to qualify here. There are links between my particular issues and psychosis, so maybe all I need is One Bad Day.

Movies like Saw and Hostel are the kind of horror I have problems with. I avoid 'torture porn', if I can. I started Amnesia: TDD, but never got very far through it. Don't remember why I stopped, now. Probably just trying to finish other games. I've played a bunch of the Silent Hill and RE games, and some other random horror. Nothing in years, though. I can't afford to upgrade to play the newer games.

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My brother has a problem with nightmares, too. He's on medication for GAD. I think it's a vicious circle, in my case. Being trans exposes me to the threat of violence, which interacts with my genetic predisposition for anxiety, which fuels my OCD, which fuels my nightmares... My therapist thinks I have complex PTSD, in addition to my OCD and gender dysphoria, and she knows about my suicidal depression. But GD, OCD, cPTSD, suicidality, insomnia, and colitis aren't enough to qualify me for disability. You need psychosis to qualify here. There are links between my particular issues and psychosis, so maybe all I need is One Bad Day.

Movies like Saw and Hostel are the kind of horror I have problems with. I avoid 'torture porn', if I can. I started Amnesia: TDD, but never got very far through it. Don't remember why I stopped, now. Probably just trying to finish other games. I've played a bunch of the Silent Hill and RE games, and some other random horror. Nothing in years, though. I can't afford to upgrade to play the newer games.
Yeah most government institutions don't take mental health conditions seriously still. Complex PTSD would make sense based on your history, I think that can cause nightmares too.

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sometimes i dream that i don't have any anxiety in some social situation. so completely cured!*
*for the duration of the dream only, individual results may vary

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This will be a long post so will do it in 2 parts..I used to have a lot of lucid dreams and OBEs years ago when I was really into it. I’m still into it but I just don’t get them as often or spontaneously like before. I have to be more mentally prepared to try to induce them on purpose.

If you approach lucid dreams with a wishful mentality hoping that you will just get them somehow you will most likely fail. Like anything else it takes time, practice and dedication. Also lots of research and education. If you approach it like it’s a science or a hobby you will have much better results.

One of the most important things I learned over the years when it comes to lucid dreams in general is it’s about preparation and doing the right things or steps to “increase your chances” in getting them. The more you follow the right steps, the more techniques and tips you incorporate the higher your chances are in getting them. It’s about increasing your awareness which is the same concept of meditation. It’s something you work on gradually to get better at over time with consistency.

In my opinion lucid dreams, OBEs and astral projection are all the same but it’s a matter of the level of your awareness or the level of intensity of the experience. From my experience and what I understand lucid dreams would be the easiest or the first steps that most people can experience and astral projection is taking lucid dreams to the next level by becoming fully aware of the whole experience.

I believe OBEs or the strong vibrations are the transition between the physical and the astral or dream realm. When you are having a regular lucid dream you might not always experience having an OBE because you only become aware or lucid in the middle of the dream because of a certain trigger. I think the difference between lucid dreams and astral projections is when you are aware of the vibrations and the whole process from the beginning and you are able to keep your awareness and fully control it.

I’ve had many lucid dreams and some OBEs but I don’t think I ever had a full astral projection where I was able to control the whole experience or fully aware of it from start to end.

There are basically 2 types of lucid dreams. DILDs and WILDs. DILDs (Dream Induced Lucid Dreams) are the more common lucid dreams that usually start as a normal dream. Later on you suddenly realize that something isn’t right or something unusual is happening which triggers you to become aware that you are dreaming.

WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dreams) is basically when your mind stays fully awake while your body goes to sleep. The transition from the physical world to the dream world is characterized by intense vibrations. This is the less common type and the harder one to induce. I Believe this is the same way you astral project and this is why I think they are the same. Some people say they are different but I don’t think so. I think it’s only a matter of how you achieve it or the intensity of the experience. Some people can induce it through meditation and some people induce it through sleep.

WBTB (Wake Back to Bed) is the most popular and easiest method through which you can induce both types of lucid dreams. It will greatly “increase your chances” of having lucid dreams which like I mentioned earlier is probably the most important part about lucid dreaming. Most people can’t induce lucid dreams because they usually go to bed and hope to have a lucid dream during the night somehow. Even if you are practicing dream recall and writing down your dreams every night it will still be very difficult to induce a lucid dream if you don’t follow this very important method.

WBTB is built on the concept of sleep cycles and the REM rebound effect which basically means that your chances of having dreams during the later hours of sleep increases because the REM cycles (during which most dreams occur) also increases and are longer especially if you suppress them during the first half. So you should go to bed and wake up after 4 or 5 hours. Do something for like 15-20 minutes to engage your mind a little bit then go back to bed. Nothing too crazy, just walking around a bit or go to the bathroom. Write down or focus on what you are trying to achieve in the dream. This depends a lot on you and how easy it is for you to go back to sleep. You have to find the right time that works for you otherwise you might not be able to fall back to sleep. This is usually my problem so I get up for very few minutes and go back to bed quickly. I usually end up laying down in bed for another 30 min or so before I fall back to sleep.

I’m not gonna go too much into this..this article will explain it better:
https://www.luciddreamsociety.com/wbtb-technique/


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The last important key to inducing lucid dreams and the one that a lot of people donít seem to be aware of is using certain supplements to help you to become more aware during the dream and to also remember them. Thereís a very good book on this called Advanced Lucid Dreaming - The Power of Supplements.

I highly recommend this book if you are serious about learning lucid dreaming. Practicing WBTB and adding supplements will increase your chances even more to the point that it would be very hard not to induce one.

The book goes into some very important concepts about lucid dreaming in a very scientific and easy to understand approach. The chapters on REM sleep cycles, the neurotransmitters and how they affect our brain and the individual supplements and how they are used are very informative. This is my favorite book on lucid dreaming and the most practical one.

Other books I recommend are Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. This book covers all the basic concepts, theories and exercises on lucid dreaming. Also very scientific and concise. Itís probably the best introductory book on lucid dreaming.

Also The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep. This one is rather advanced and goes more into the Eastern theories and views on dreaming which shed light on its real purpose and deeper meaning. I didnít read it all yet just the first chapter or two but itís definitely a very interesting book on the subject.

If you are curious about the supplements I mentioned earlier there are basically few key ones. Galantamine, Choline Bitartrate and Alpha GPC but there are many more. You would want to buy them separately so you can adjust the dosage and timing. Avoid the ones that are sold as one or are advertised for lucid dreaming because a lot of times they put stuff together that doesnít make sense. There are certain supplements that can be taken before bed and some that you should take after waking up during the night (like the ones I mentioned). Mixing everything together and taking it before bed = FAIL. Lol

If you do plan to experiment with supplements do know that some of them can build tolerance like Galantamine and itís advised to take at least 1 day off before you try it again. Definitely get the book I mentioned so you can really understand how to do it right otherwise you might be wasting your time and money.

Do these supplements work?..I have tried them 3 times so far and they worked very well 2 out of 3 times. I definitely think they work because the first time I took them I had one of the longest and most vivid lucid dreams I had after a long time of not being able to lucid dream. I tried them again last night and I almost had an OBE but the vibrations were very strong and I felt like my head was going to explode so I was able to stop it somehow. I ended up having sleep paralysis which I think is what happens when you are able to stop yourself from leaving your body but still somewhat aware of what's happening. I kept trying to move my fingers while half-awake but couldnít..lol. It was very weird but didnít really scare me because Iím used to it.

I donít remember much after waking up unfortunately like I did the first time but I woke up feeling very refreshed which I havenít felt in a while. Maybe because I was very prepared for it last night and gave myself lots of time to sleep. I donít usually do it that often because I have insomnia and itís hard for me to fall back to sleep after waking up during the night. But anyways I decided to share this after last night experience.

As far as lucid dreaming helping with SA. I believe itís possible especially if you become really good at it. Even if you just simply experience it without having any control over it, it can make you feel very refreshed and leave you in a good mood because you experienced something that is profound. I believe itís similar to the way psychedelics work but psychedelics are much more intense and its effects are more profound and long lasting. The advantage of lucid dreaming and using supplements is of course itís legal and much safer because itís occurring more naturally and not forced. There are also specific supplements that can help you control your dreams better and overcome fears or nightmares. I plan to do more experimenting again soon with other supplements and herbs so will see how it goes.



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