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Liam Norton 07-18-2019 06:56 AM

Why is it hard to get a job nowadays?
 
I've applied to 30 places and no response. I'm still trying but I'm told that I need to send at least 60-80 CV's minimum. I live in Ireland and it's hard to get a minimum wage job here, don't even start on getting an office job for 30,000

truant 07-18-2019 09:23 AM

It depends on a lot of things. Some people have no trouble getting a job. I didn't get my first real (min wage, part-time) job until after I'd applied at several hundred places. Until then, the only jobs I managed to get were paper routes and temp jobs through a temp agency (jobs that would take anyone for a day or a few days). So ... 30 doesn't seem like a lot to me, but it will seem huge to people who are used to getting one after two or three applications. I got about one interview for every 40 applications I dropped off. I'm an ugly, awkward weirdo, though, with only a hs diploma, and had no credible work experience or references at the time.

Swanhild 07-18-2019 02:55 PM

Because there's a million immigrants from Third and Second world countries competing for that same "trash" min wage job you're trying to get. And they will work for even less. Therefore employers can afford to be super picky and decline people left and right.

You have to rely on nepotistic connections otherwise you're screwed

BehindtheScenes 07-18-2019 03:42 PM

It's only going to get worse as the job application process becomes more automated. Employers are also less willing to train you these days to provide you with the 'skills/experience' that are needed to get a job.

Eventually said screw it in my case. I now work as an online contractor for an international company based in China. Obviously, it's only a contract job rather than a permanent position⁠—but I need the income. Also decided to get on with the Airforce or Navy later next year because it's starting to get rather rough playing the 'numbers game' and/or constantly getting overlooked after interviews.

versikk 07-18-2019 09:44 PM

This is probably very regionally specific,and industry specific etc.

For example, IT jobs in my city are plentiful.

And stuff like.. If you have a driver's license, you're a better asset for a company than without.

I think you're better off researching the job market situation in Irish websites/magazines etc =)

Like, if you lived in my city I would be able to answer a lot better!
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funnynihilist 07-19-2019 05:56 AM

What's odd to me is that some of the people I know with the worst personalities seem to have no problem getting jobs.
Many of them have not done well with relationships, but jobs, no problem.

Liam Norton 07-19-2019 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanhild (Post 1093766335)
Because there's a million immigrants from Third and Second world countries competing for that same "trash" min wage job you're trying to get. And they will work for even less. Therefore employers can afford to be super picky and decline people left and right.

You have to rely on nepotistic connections otherwise you're screwed

That may be the case in the US but here in Ireland immigration is tightly controlled. Many asylum seekers are denied the right to work (if at all). You can't just waltz across the Irish border because you'd have to swim through the sea..lol

I think the reason tbh is that people are retiring late meaning older people are competing with younger people for mcdonald jobs.

The internet means that any jobs available on the first page of a job hunting site will have 100s of applicants each more qualified than me.

blue2 07-19-2019 06:37 AM

I've found alot of jobs are got because of who you know not what you know & also there's probably more people than there are jobs, with increasing populations plus more technology/automation, so there's a larger pool of choice for an employer, somebody's always better or more qualified or else a robot can do it anyway.

chrisinmd 07-19-2019 08:24 AM

100 people or more apply for the average job. 5 get interviews. One gets hired. Not good odds as you can see. That's why who you know is so important to at least get you in that top 5 that get the interview. Its a tough game

Scrub-Zero 07-19-2019 09:51 AM

Its tough. I was looking for work a while back and for a few months and i got zero job from that, a bunch of calls and two interviews. Ill look again soon but its hard to motivate yourself after not being successful. Worst is i have a huge unemployment gap and no education so its even tougher to get into an employer's door.

BehindtheScenes 07-19-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by funnynihilist (Post 1093766611)
What's odd to me is that some of the people I know with the worst personalities seem to have no problem getting jobs.
Many of them have not done well with relationships, but jobs, no problem.

Definitely agree. Jobs relating to things such as "customer service" is living proof of this these days.

Arty92 07-25-2019 04:02 PM

It really is that hard even in the high end job industry. I remember applying for at least 400 places and I only got 4 interviews. Lucky for me, 2 of them offered me an job. Don't let your spirit down. Focus on improving your resume and interpersonal skills. I had all the tech skills in the world but I'm told that I'm socially inept which was a big disadvantage for me and that dragged me down. Keep applying and keep improving.

nubly 07-27-2019 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam Norton (Post 1093766627)
That may be the case in the US but here in Ireland immigration is tightly controlled. Many asylum seekers are denied the right to work (if at all). You can't just waltz across the Irish border because you'd have to swim through the sea..lol

I think the reason tbh is that people are retiring late meaning older people are competing with younger people for mcdonald jobs.

The internet means that any jobs available on the first page of a job hunting site will have 100s of applicants each more qualified than me.

It's not the case in the US. Finding a job in the US has always been difficult for centuries but minorities, be it Italians, Irish, blacks, Hispanics, etc. have always been blamed.

Luzali 07-27-2019 11:45 AM

Im in Ireland too and I completely agree with you.
Alot of it comes down to nepotism, it really is all about who you know. Also employers just arent willing to train people in anymore, nearly every job requires 2+ years experience.
Almost everyone ive known who got their first job did so through their parents or a family member or friend getting them the job through either owning a business or being friends with a manager - through this they built up the experience they needed to get another job somewhere else.
If you dont have this support starting out, it can be a downward spiral as no one will give you a chance without experience, cant get experience unless someones willing to give it to you, its a viscous cycle.

Education means nothing anymore as most people have atleast a level 8 qualification and even those with degrees and masters find it tough to get work unless they have connections. I recently finished a sub position in a school, the principal had employed his wife, niece, cousin, friends, friends children and even his old babysitter. Majority of the permanent staff were from the same town as the principal.

I know teachers and people with PHD's doing CE schemes just because they dont know the right people.

Ireland is such an expensive country that not working means youre very limited in what you can do to improve your circumstances, just learning how to drive and getting a car on the road costs over 10,000 and thats just for the first year.
Public transport costs a bomb and is very unreliable, this limits people in applying for work outside their home town or city as the travel expenses are often too high and buses and trains regularly show up late or not at all, I had to leave a job the far side of Dublin last year because I couldn't deal with the stress every morning of late buses and constantly being late for work even though I was up at 6 to be in work for 9 then waiting around for two hours for the bus home because the bus didnt show up at the time it was supposed to and not getting home til 9 at night even though id finished work at 5.30.
They just dont make it easy for people to get on their feet in this country, unless youve got a financially supportive family that can fund you through college, get you a car and insurance and help you get a job, its extremely hard to get anywhere because theres no supports or help at all and it feels like everything is set up for people with money and connections, the other option is to live off the dole and get a free house, theres no inbetween.

Keep trying, have your cv looked over by a guidance counselor and maybe invest in some interview coaching if you can.
Good luck.

wmu'14 07-28-2019 11:16 AM

Employers place more emphasis on the personality of an individual then if they are able to do the job successfully.

'Could I have a beer with this person?' That's what employers ask.

My coworker's son went for a job interview at Burger King and they asked him 'explain to me how to tie a shoe without using a shoe.' They ask bunches of silly and ridiculous questions like that because HR is told those questions are better at evaulating a potential candidate.

I went on 60 interviews before I got hired. What do you know, the first place that didn't ask joke-type questions hired me and I've been there 5 years now.

komorikun 07-28-2019 01:05 PM

Yeah. I think what happens is that the ones with decent resumes and enough education/experience for the job get interviews. So any of them could do the job but they only need 1 person and have to weed them out.

From there it's just a personality contest. The interview is just to see if they can work with you and can handle being in the same room together 40 hours a week.

funnynihilist 07-28-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by komorikun (Post 1093771993)
Yeah. I think what happens is that the ones with decent resumes and enough education/experience for the job get interviews. So any of them could do the job but they only need 1 person and have to weed them out.

From there it's just a personality contest. The interview is just to see if they can work with you and can handle being in the same room together 40 hours a week.

But don't they end up hiring the most crazy people anyway?
Ive heard lots of horror stories about co-workers.

komorikun 07-28-2019 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by funnynihilist (Post 1093772019)
But don't they end up hiring the most crazy people anyway?
Ive heard lots of horror stories about co-workers.

At my current workplace they did hire one crazy one a few years ago. Both the department head and #2 in charge (Ms. Always Absent) liked her during the interview. People usually hide their craziness if they can, during an interview. Ms. Always Absent said that they think she went off her meds. Legally you can't ask people during an interview if they have a mental disorder and/or are on psychiatric meds.

blue2 07-28-2019 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by funnynihilist (Post 1093772019)
But don't they end up hiring the most crazy people anyway?

....Can't say I've noticed, anywhere I or my immediate family have worked people were normal enough, just a few drunks, a couple domestic violence types, 2 murderers, a couple suiciders, a few porn/sex addicts, 1 pedophile, plenty of bullies...but that's par for the course as a human probably : /


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