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That awkward moment when you see people from your childhood TV shows involved in controver


These TV shows were everything I had in my life as a 7-9 year old. I was a fan of Charmed like everyone in my class (girls and a couple of boys). And every time before they were showing Charmed there was Smallville and I was watching that too.

So recently two of actresses from Charmed were involved in #MeToo with Rose Mcgowan being more genuine and Alyssa Milano less so. (My favorite characters in Charmed were two other ones though, especially the one who was played by the actress who flights with breast cancer now, her character was killed off by the show runners due to her actor-bf flirting with Alyssa and her being not ok with it and she was labled as "*****y" back then for that very reason). So that was a surprise and that felt strange cause I was still perceiving them as I was in childhood. But alright... At least the situation they're involved in is not so surprising.

Now I found out that two out of two lead actresses from Smallvile were involved in some cult and they were trafficking women and girls as sex slaves for their cult leader....

Sorry for not currently replying to your posts addressed to me. I will do that later (hopefully in a few days) because now I can't Please, don't take it personally because you have nothing to do with it.
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Didn't Superman stop them, or worse is he involved 😞

It surprise's me that you are continually surprised by the sexual oppression/exploitation of women, it's been happening forever, I know you hate it & wish it to stop, but it's going to continue happening.

I admire your faith in humanity as regards evolving into a noble creature overnight though, in reality voices like yours are easily overwhelmed & drowned in the sea of debauchery that is life






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Err women, did you see that? Violence against you, exploitation and oppression of you as a group of people will continue to be happening and that’s normal, he said.

I actually just wanted to talk about ‘that awkward moment’, but since you brought this up... Feminism is there since the 20th century and during that century so much of the intellectual work as developed to make people finally realize that violence against different groups of people (against women when it comes to feminism) doesn’t exist because of some uncontrollable instincts (let me remind you we as human species don’t have instincts at all). And that gender roles are not “natural”. Yet today the world still thinks it’s the case (thanks mostly to porn that socialises you to have these attitudes). It’s quite paradoxical to live in the 21st century, but still have the 19th century ideas.

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Yes most high profile abusers use sadistic women to help them, it's a common (and old,) pattern Ghislaine Maxwell as another recent example. I'm fairly sure many of them wouldn't get away with half the **** they do if not for the help of powerful sadistic women but this connection hasn't really being talked about much and their own sexual involvement is generally downplayed.

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In documents filed by Giuffre’s lawyers, one accuser claimed in a deposition that Maxwell “recruited her under the guise of a legitimate assistant position, but asked her to perform sexual massages for Epstein, and punished her when she didn’t cause Epstein to orgasm”.

Another person deposed “testified that [Maxwell] contacted him to recruit high school-aged girls for Epstein, and also testified that Maxwell and Epstein participated in multiple threesomes with Virginia Giuffre”.

A butler “witnessed, firsthand, a 15-year-old Swedish girl crying and shaking because [Maxwell] was attempting to force her to have sex with Epstein and she refused”, court documents filed by Giuffre’s lawyers claim. The girl allegedly said that Maxwell “tried to force her to have sex with Epstein through threats and stealing her passport”.
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She was asked in the deposition: “What was Maxwell’s main job with respect to Jeffrey?”

“Well, beyond companionship, her job, as it related to me, was to find other girls that would perform massages for him and herself,” the woman answered, according to papers filed by Giuffre’s lawyers.
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https://theconversation.com/what-the...fenders-123423

This could be a delusion on his part but honestly it wouldn't surprise me to know it's true because again the downplaying:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...w-first-blood/

https://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec1/ch3_typology.html


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Differences between male and female sexual offenders are identified in the literature. In contrast to male sexual offenders, female offenders are more likely to sexually assault males and strangers (Allen, 1991; Vandiver, 2006). Female sexual offenders report different offense-supportive cognitions than males. Specifically, their beliefs are gender-specific; they perceive female abuse as less harmful, men control women and their partner's needs are paramount (Gannon, Hoare, Rose & Parrett, 2010). Studies have also shown that female sexual offenders are less likely than male sexual offenders to sexually reoffend (Freeman & Sandler, 2008 ). For example, Cortoni and Hanson (2005) found a female sexual recidivism rate of 1 percent over a five-year average follow-up period with a sample of 380 females.

Yet the most evident distinction between male and female offenders is that female offenders are more likely to sexually assault with another person or group (i.e., co-offenders). In a sample of 227 female sexual offenders, Vandiver (2006) found that 46 percent offended with another person and the majority of these co-perpetrators were male (71 percent), 62 percent offended with one individual and 38 percent offended within a group. Studies have differentiated female co-offending according to whether the female participated in an active or passive role (Grayston & De Luca, 1999; Nathan & Ward, 2002). Females who take an active role in the abuse engage in direct sexual contact with the victim. Females who participate passively do not engage in direct sexual contact; instead, these women may observe the abuse but not intervene, procure victims for others to sexually assault or expose children to pornography or sexual interaction (Grayston & De Luca, 1999).

Recently, more extensive typologies of female sexual offending have been developed to summarize these female offense characteristics (Matthews, Mathews & Speltz, 1991; Nathan & Ward, 2002; Vandiver & Kercher, 2004). Most of the typologies differentiate female offenders based on the presence of a co-offender, the age of the victim and the motivation for the offense.

Compared to females who abuse alone, females who co-offend are more likely to abuse females and familial victims, to commit multiple sexual offenses (Wijkman, Bijeveld & Hendriks, 2011) and are more likely to be arrested for a non-sexual offense (Vandiver, 2006). Females who abuse alone are more likely to abuse unrelated males and to be diagnosed with a mood disorder (Muskens, Bogaerts, van Casteren & Labrijn, 2011; Vandiver, 2006). Gillespie and colleagues (2014) found a greater prevalence of sexual dissatisfaction, substance abuse, depression, denial and involvement with known offenders among co-offending females. Prior to the offense, female offenders who sexually abuse alone exhibited a greater need for power or dominance, need for intimacy, negative mood state, extensive offense planning and abusive fantasies.

Females who co-offend with a male (i.e., accompanied abusers) have been described as emotionally dependent, socially isolated and displaying low self-esteem (Matthews, Mathews & Speltz, 1991; Muskens et al., 2011; Nathan & Ward, 2002).These individuals are further differentiated based on the use of coercion by the accomplice. Female offenders coerced into sexual offending are motivated by fear and dependence upon the co-offender (Matthews, Mathews & Speltz, 1991; Muskens et al., 2011). Although they initially perpetrate under duress, some later initiate the abuse on their own (Saradjian & Hanks, 1996). These females have been shown to report a history of childhood sexual and physical abuse. Female offenders who accompany a male co-offender and take an active role in the abuse have been shown to be motivated by jealousy and anger and often offend in retaliation (Nathan & Ward, 2002).

Female offenders who sexually abuse alone (i.e., self-initiated abusers) are differentiated based upon age of the victim and motivation for the offense (Nathan & Ward, 2002). One typology, the teacher lover/heterosexual nurturer, describes female offenders who sexually abuse adolescent boys within the context of an acquaintance or position-of-trust relationship (Matthews, Mathews & Speltz, 1991; Vandiver & Kercher, 2004). These females exhibit dependency needs and often abuse substances. They are less likely to report severe child maltreatment; instead, their sexual abuse behaviors often result from a dysfunctional adult relationship and attachment deficits. Female offenders within this category attempt to meet intimacy and/or sexual needs through sexual offending.

Self-initiated female offenders who sexually assault prepubescent children, also referred to as predisposed offenders, have been shown to display significant psychopathologies (Matthews, Mathews & Spletz, 1991). They are more likely than other female offenders to display symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (a serious psychological condition that occurs as a result of experiencing a traumatic event) (Foa, Keane & Friedman, 2000) and depression. These female offenders report extensive physical and sexual abuse by caregivers. Researchers contend that they are often motivated by power (i.e., to reenact their childhood trauma, this time as the aggressor) and sexual arousal.

Recently, additional typologies have been added to describe female offenders who sexually assault adult or postpubescent females (Vandiver & Kercher, 2004). Female offenders who engage in the exploitation or forced prostitution of other females have been reported to be motivated by financial gain and have higher number of arrests for nonsexual crimes. Cortoni, Sandler and Freeman (2014) found females convicted of promoting prostitution of a minor tend to be younger at age of first conviction, have a greater history of incarceration and exhibit general criminality (e.g., noncompliance with supervision, antisocial personality) than traditional female sexual offenders. Female offenders who themselves sexually assault other female adults often offend within an intimate relationship as a form of domestic violence (i.e., aggressive homosexual offenders). They are motivated to assault out of anger, retaliation and jealousy.
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