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Billie Eilish vs Van Halen


I've don't think I've heard a Billie Eilish song yet. Maybe I've seen her on SNL. But I'm definitely a huge fan of Van Halen. I guess its not fair to expect kids to know what heavy metal or classic rock music is about. It seems that pop, hip hop and country are what kids think is music these days. Oh well their loss.




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Sounds like she and Van Halen both got what it takes, so why can't we just let them beeee loved. Pop can be such fluff these days but I like her singing style. Pop is known for one hits. She's got a few. Do kids know led zeppelin and Metallica. Meaning the most recent gen of kids. I worry they don't get enough metal in their diets:/
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Van Halen's 1984 was 35 years ago, 35 years before that was 1949. I don't think that many 80s teenagers would be into 40s music or know of artists of that period. Except for maybe Frank Sinatra or Glen Miller. Van Halen was way past their heyday by the time she was born. Strange controversy.

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I like some of her songs.
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I saw someone mention that on Twitter, I share their sentiment of who cares? Why should she know them? Her music is OK, bit boring at times, but better than a lot of current pop music so I can see why people like her in that sense. I like this video because of the spiders:



Her music doesn't seem particularly inspired by the 70s, it would be weirder if this band said they hadn't heard of Black Sabbath because:



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Van Halen reeks of Americana to me. Definitely dated by now.

Some artists can be put in a time capsule and feel relevant decades later. I don't think Van Halen is one of them, lol.

Don't know much about Eilish, though.

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I saw someone mention that on Twitter, I share their sentiment of who cares? Why should she know them? Her music is OK, bit boring at times, but better than a lot of current pop music so I can see why people like her in that sense. I like this video because of the spiders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0Ys50CqO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBRi6aZJGj4

Her music doesn't seem particularly inspired by the 70s, it would be weirder if this band said they hadn't heard of Black Sabbath because:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yTYlKPdS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwzlySJJJQQ



Yeah I guess that works.
lol, I've actually been enjoying Starcrawler recently. Eilish not so much.

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lol, I've actually been enjoying Starcrawler recently. Eilish not so much.
Yeah they're not bad. I've listened to a few of their songs after getting recommended Bet My Brains by YouTube.

But while we're 'my generationing' Tbh Van Halen is a bit cringe to me (at least what I've heard,) since it's so upbeat and energetic without a sense of irony, stuff like Jump. Have to be in a particular mood to listen to upbeat stuff and I grew up mostly on a combination of 90s alt rock and prog rock that my dad listened to, plus stuff I listened to which was 90s/2000s rock/metal music, then branched out later to various other stuff and some 80s music like The Cure.

I also grew up in the 90s/2000s which was like in between sadboy 2010s, and overdosing on irony leftover from generation x with cartoons like Daria (on that note irony is dead we killed like punk before it.) So it was like:









This one is from the pov of a prostitute:



Frenetic passive aggressive happy-anger, left over dead-inside post-Nirvana post-grunge Nirvana sound-alikes, indie pop-rock, and watered down post-hardcore/emo with some dark-cabaret aesthetics sprinkled around (Dresdon Dolls, Emilie Autumn, Panic At The Disco.) Pop Punk/skate punk seemed like the most happy/hopeful genre to me at the time. And the early 2000 music was very political as well. My Chemical Romance was basically formed as a therapy project for the lead singer who witnessed 9/11 first hand lol so and several of those 90s/2000s alt rock figures have committed suicide by this point.

And you know Marilyn Manson was doing some kind of critique of Ziggy Stardust before he faded into the background at some point a bit before the 2000s pop punk thing. That and other stuff bled into some stuff like The Birthday Massacre I guess, but Jack off Jill released their last album in 2000 and Holy Wood was released in 2000, so that aesthetic/creative group were more centred in the 90s.

In hindsight I am a bit bummed that 'emo' wasn't more like:



because that combination of things was some good ****. Instead of (or you know Funeral for a Friend above etc that kind of thing,):

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Is Billie Eilish one of them "Pretty People.....with Problems"?


I heard that girlz - teenies and tweenies - are going all out for a $225 pair of Chuck Taylors with her face painted on them.


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Yeah they're not bad. I've listened to a few of their songs after getting recommended Bet My Brains by YouTube.

But while we're 'my generationing' Tbh Van Halen is a bit cringe to me (at least what I've heard,) since it's so upbeat and energetic without a sense of irony, stuff like Jump. Have to be in a particular mood to listen to upbeat stuff and I grew up mostly on a combination of 90s alt rock and prog rock that my dad listened to, plus stuff I listened to which was 90s/2000s rock/metal music, then branched out later to various other stuff and some 80s music like The Cure.

I also grew up in the 90s/2000s which was like in between sadboy 2010s, and overdosing on irony leftover from generation x with cartoons like Daria (on that note irony is dead we killed like punk before it.) So it was like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OqtIqzScI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OeTOS2VBVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsaamq0E964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1ca1-_-MY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJsoquu70o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIADZKU9dw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaQQB8LmKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMZ23T9VHE

This one is from the pov of a prostitute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fkwksdbPY


Frenetic passive aggressive happy-anger, left over dead-inside post-Nirvana post-grunge Nirvana sound-alikes, indie pop-rock, and watered down post-hardcore/emo with some dark-cabaret aesthetics sprinkled around (Dresdon Dolls, Emilie Autumn, Panic At The Disco.) Pop Punk/skate punk seemed like the most happy/hopeful genre to me at the time. And the early 2000 music was very political as well. My Chemical Romance was basically formed as a therapy project for the lead singer who witnessed 9/11 first hand lol so and several of those 90s/2000s alt rock figures have committed suicide by this point.

And you know Marilyn Manson was doing some kind of critique of Ziggy Stardust before he faded into the background at some point a bit before the 2000s pop punk thing. That and other stuff bled into some stuff like The Birthday Massacre I guess, but Jack off Jill released their last album in 2000 and Holy Wood was released in 2000, so that aesthetic/creative group were more centred in the 90s.

In hindsight I am a bit bummed that 'emo' wasn't more like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFTnvzHrsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMsmnyLGJBA

because that combination of things was some good ****. Instead of (or you know Funeral for a Friend above etc that kind of thing,):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ux6SlOE9Qk
I've always kind of hated Van Halen. I think I might have liked them a bit when I was a teen but they got boring and schlocky really fast. Will check out the vids.

Also, anything beyond Van Halen's first album was pretty bad.

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Oh sorry by the way I wanted there to be more of a separation between that post and me quoting you I should have started a new post really since it's not relevant to your post but was just thinking on the thread vibe of 'music was better in the past.' I actually don't think the emotional tone of music has changed much from when I was younger to now because I think society has been stuck in something of a hangover since the late 80s/early 90s. It's not a coincidence that most teenagers now can relate and identify fully with the music of Nirvana despite it being before their time, and probably even post-punk, but can't connect to bands like Van Halen or in this case know who they are.

The inability to create new forms is so extreme now that people just slow down music that fits that hangover style:



And when I listen to Billie Eilish I get a similar vibe.
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I thought a lot more kids than ever listen to rock and alternative music now.

I like a few of Van Halen's stuff and Billie Eilish is really talented. Her voice has a classic feel to it in some of her songs. I'm not a huge fan of her music but it's good.
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Eddie Van Halen also played guitar on Michael Jackson's Beat It song, do the kids know who that is?


Just like Stevie Ray Vaughan played guitar on David Bowie's Let's Dance album


All this music is freely available on spotify and youtube so kids really have no excuse for being so ignorant these days, back in my days we joined Columbia House and bought a wide selection of pop, rock, jazz, classical, reggae, r&b, etc. One of these days I'll unbox all of that collected vinyl


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Eddie Van Halen, lead guitarist of hard rock band Van Halen, was asked to add a guitar solo.[12][21] When initially contacted by Jones, Van Halen thought he was receiving a prank call.[22] Having established that the call was genuine, Van Halen used a Hartley-Thompson amplifier borrowed from guitarist Allan Holdsworth[23] and recorded his guitar solo free of any charge. "I did it as a favor", the musician later said. "I was a complete fool, according to the rest of the band, our manager and everyone else. I was not used. I knew what I was doing – I don't do something unless I want to do it."[5] Van Halen recorded his contribution following Jones and Jackson arriving at the guitarist's house with a "skeleton version" of the song. Fellow guitarist Steve Lukather recalled, "Initially, we rocked it out as Eddie had played a good solo—but Quincy thought it was too tough. So I had to reduce the distorted guitar sound and that is what was released."[5] Two versions of the solo were recorded.[22]


Right before Van Halen's guitar solo begins, a noise is heard that sounds like somebody knocking at a door. It is reported that the knock was a person walking into Eddie's recording studio. Another story has claimed that the sound was simply the musician knocking on his own guitar.[24] The sound, however, is that of Jackson knocking on a drum case, as he is credited in the album's liner notes.


The engineers were shocked during the recording of Van Halen's solo to discover that the sound of his guitar had caused the monitor speaker in the control room to catch fire, causing one to exclaim, "This must be really good!"

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All this music is freely available on spotify and youtube so kids really have no excuse for being so ignorant these days, back in my days we joined Columbia House and bought a wide selection of pop, rock, jazz, classical, reggae, r&b, etc. One of these days I'll unbox all of that collected vinyl
Have you listened to every song on spotify and YouTube?

Have you listened to this?

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Have you listened to every song on spotify and YouTube?

Have you listened to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VDIbDKjQs

I don't waste my time on unknown artists. Instead I'd rather listen to Van Halen albums I haven't heard yet, like whatever they've put out since For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.


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"The Dream Is Over"

Psst, hey, come on man, wake up.
Oh, yeah, yeah!
I see the power,
Changin hands
Risin from the streets
A self made businessman,
Knows how the system can be beat.
Oh, we're the lost generation,
Have no place to go,
The road to destruction,
Is all we need to know,
Cause it's a rip off,
We're stripped, drawn, and cheated,
We're flat stone cold lied to
But we're not defeated, Nooo, sir
Easy money,
It's your way out,
Join the Family
No middleman,
No I.R.S.
Your ticket out of poverty
Oh, we're the lost generation,
I hold fate from a string
Lookin for direction
Reachin' out for anything, so
Dream another dream
This dream is over, (oooh oooh oh)
Dream another dream
This dream is over, (dream another dream)
Dream another dream
This dream is over, (oooh) over yeah, (dream another dream)
So dream another dream

[Solo]

Ah, Yeow!!!!
Oh, it's a rip off,
We're stepped on an' cheated,
Flat stone cold lied to,
We're not defeated, noooo,
Dream another dream, this dream is over, (oooh oooh oh)
Dream another dream, this dream is over, (dream another dream)
Dream another dream, this dream is over, (oooh oooh oh) oh
Dream another dream, this dream is over, over yeah, (dream another dream)
Dream another dream, (ooh ooh ooh)
Dream another dream, (dream another dream, oooh ooh ooh)
Dream another dream, oh, this dream's all over (dream another dream)
Dream another dream, (dream another dream)
Dream another dream...

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Peter Gabriel, Garbage, Marvin Gaye, Gloria Gaynor, J. Geils Band, Genesis, Godsmack, Go-Go's, Golden Earring, Grand Funk, Grateful Dead, Al Green, Green Day, Guess Who, Guns N Roses,

Sammy Hagar, Hall & Oates, Lionel Hampton, Herbie Hancock, George Harrison, Hawkwind, Heart, Helmet, Jimi Hendrix, Don Henley, Al Hirt, Billie Holiday, Buddy Holly, John Lee Hooker,

Billy Idol, INXS, Iron Maiden, Chris Isaak,

Joe Jackson, Michael Jackson, Rick James, Jane's Addiction, Jefferson Airplane, Jethro Tull, Joan Jett, Billy Joel, Elton John, Grace Jones, Tom Jones, Janis Joplin, Journey, Judas Priest,

Kansas, KC and the Sunshine Band, Kiss, BB King, King Crimson, Kinks, Kool & the Gang, Korn, Kraftwerk, Lenny Kravitz, Gene Krupa,

Cyndi Lauper, Led Zeppelin, Peggy Lee, John Lennon, Huey Lewis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Little Richard, Live, Living Colour, Kenny Loggins, Los Lobos, Loverboy, Lynyrd Skynyrd,

Madness, Mamas and the Papas, Henry Mancini, Barry Manilow, Marilyn Manson, Bob Marley, Dean Martin, Johnny Mathis, Dave Matthews Band, Paul McCartney, MC Hammer, Meat Loaf, Megadeth, Men at Work, Metallica, George Michael, Midnight Oil, Glenn Miller, Jacob Miller, Steve Miller Band, Missing Persons, Eddie Money, Thelonious Monk, Molly Hatchet, The Monkees, Moody Blues, Alanis Morrisette, Van Morrison, Motels, Motley Crue, Motorhead, Mountain, Mozart,

Nazareth, Willie Nelson, Randy Newman, Olivia Newton-John, Night Ranger, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, No Doubt, Ted Nugent,

Offspring, O'Jays, Roy Orbison, Tony Orlando, Outlaws, Ozzy Osbourne,

Jimmy Page, Pantera, Robert Palmer, Parliament, Charlie Parker, Alan Parsons Project, Dolly Parton, Pearl Jam, Pet Shop Boys, Tom Petty, Pink Floyd, Robert Plant, Pointer Sisters, Police, PUSA, Elvis Presley, The Pretenders, Louis Prima, Primus, Prince, Procol Harum,

Queen, Queensryche, Quiet Riot,

Rage Against the Machine, Rainbow, Bonnie Raitt, Rammstein, Ramones, Rare Earth, Otis Redding, Red Hot Chili Peppers, REM, REO Speedwagon, Smokey Robinson, Rolling Stones, Romantics, Linda Ronstadt, Diana Ross, Runaways, Run DMC, Rush,

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UB40, U2, Ugly Kid Joe, Uriah Heep,

Frankie Valli, Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Vivaldi, Volbeat,

Joe Walsh, Wang Chung, Wagner, War, Muddy Waters, Wham, Barry White, Whitesnake, White Zombie, The Who, John Williams, Edgar Winter, Stevie Wonder,

Yardbirds, Yes, Neil Young,

Frank Zappa, Zebra, Zombies, ZZ Top

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Oh but I came to find out that it's
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One of the first Van Halen concerts that I've attended was them opening for The Rolling Stones' Tattoo You tour in Orlando, FL 1981.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ro...ican_Tour_1981






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Oh but I came to find out that it's
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And there's a canopy of greed holding me down.
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So...OP, you like Van Halen. Why not make an “I like Van Halen” thread? Why put down an artist you’re entirely unfamiliar with?

If you did it for clicks, I guess it worked. I entered this thread because of Eilish.

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