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Billie Eilish vs Van Halen


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Sounds like she and Van Halen both got what it takes, so why can't we just let them beeee loved. Pop can be such fluff these days but I like her singing style. Pop is known for one hits. She's got a few. Do kids know led zeppelin and Metallica. Meaning the most recent gen of kids. I worry they don't get enough metal in their diets:/
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Van Halen's 1984 was 35 years ago, 35 years before that was 1949. I don't think that many 80s teenagers would be into 40s music or know of artists of that period. Except for maybe Frank Sinatra or Glen Miller. Van Halen was way past their heyday by the time she was born. Strange controversy.

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I like some of her songs.
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I saw someone mention that on Twitter, I share their sentiment of who cares? Why should she know them? Her music is OK, bit boring at times, but better than a lot of current pop music so I can see why people like her in that sense. I like this video because of the spiders:



Her music doesn't seem particularly inspired by the 70s, it would be weirder if this band said they hadn't heard of Black Sabbath because:



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When iggy pop and courtney love has a love child that's adopted by marilyn Manson.
Yeah I guess that works.

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Van Halen reeks of Americana to me. Definitely dated by now.

Some artists can be put in a time capsule and feel relevant decades later. I don't think Van Halen is one of them, lol.

Don't know much about Eilish, though.

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I saw someone mention that on Twitter, I share their sentiment of who cares? Why should she know them? Her music is OK, bit boring at times, but better than a lot of current pop music so I can see why people like her in that sense. I like this video because of the spiders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah0Ys50CqO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBRi6aZJGj4

Her music doesn't seem particularly inspired by the 70s, it would be weirder if this band said they hadn't heard of Black Sabbath because:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yTYlKPdS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwzlySJJJQQ



Yeah I guess that works.
lol, I've actually been enjoying Starcrawler recently. Eilish not so much.

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lol, I've actually been enjoying Starcrawler recently. Eilish not so much.
Yeah they're not bad. I've listened to a few of their songs after getting recommended Bet My Brains by YouTube.

But while we're 'my generationing' Tbh Van Halen is a bit cringe to me (at least what I've heard,) since it's so upbeat and energetic without a sense of irony, stuff like Jump. Have to be in a particular mood to listen to upbeat stuff and I grew up mostly on a combination of 90s alt rock and prog rock that my dad listened to, plus stuff I listened to which was 90s/2000s rock/metal music, then branched out later to various other stuff and some 80s music like The Cure.

I also grew up in the 90s/2000s which was like in between sadboy 2010s, and overdosing on irony leftover from generation x with cartoons like Daria (on that note irony is dead we killed like punk before it.) So it was like:









This one is from the pov of a prostitute:



Frenetic passive aggressive happy-anger, left over dead-inside post-Nirvana post-grunge Nirvana sound-alikes, indie pop-rock, and watered down post-hardcore/emo with some dark-cabaret aesthetics sprinkled around (Dresdon Dolls, Emilie Autumn, Panic At The Disco.) Pop Punk/skate punk seemed like the most happy/hopeful genre to me at the time. And the early 2000 music was very political as well. My Chemical Romance was basically formed as a therapy project for the lead singer who witnessed 9/11 first hand lol so and several of those 90s/2000s alt rock figures have committed suicide by this point.

And you know Marilyn Manson was doing some kind of critique of Ziggy Stardust before he faded into the background at some point a bit before the 2000s pop punk thing. That and other stuff bled into some stuff like The Birthday Massacre I guess, but Jack off Jill released their last album in 2000 and Holy Wood was released in 2000, so that aesthetic/creative group were more centred in the 90s.

In hindsight I am a bit bummed that 'emo' wasn't more like:



because that combination of things was some good ****. Instead of (or you know Funeral for a Friend above etc that kind of thing,):


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Also speaking of if Billie Eilish was Green Day:


Lucy's bitten
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Yet the desire burns strong
On in desire for destruction
One on which she'll depend
One that ceases to deepen
Too near bitter end


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Is Billie Eilish one of them "Pretty People.....with Problems"?


I heard that girlz - teenies and tweenies - are going all out for a $225 pair of Chuck Taylors with her face painted on them.


I am like "Good Lord, one puddle and it's all over!" There is NO WAY I would buy them for my daughter if I had one!

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Yeah they're not bad. I've listened to a few of their songs after getting recommended Bet My Brains by YouTube.

But while we're 'my generationing' Tbh Van Halen is a bit cringe to me (at least what I've heard,) since it's so upbeat and energetic without a sense of irony, stuff like Jump. Have to be in a particular mood to listen to upbeat stuff and I grew up mostly on a combination of 90s alt rock and prog rock that my dad listened to, plus stuff I listened to which was 90s/2000s rock/metal music, then branched out later to various other stuff and some 80s music like The Cure.

I also grew up in the 90s/2000s which was like in between sadboy 2010s, and overdosing on irony leftover from generation x with cartoons like Daria (on that note irony is dead we killed like punk before it.) So it was like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OqtIqzScI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OeTOS2VBVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsaamq0E964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1ca1-_-MY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJsoquu70o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIADZKU9dw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaQQB8LmKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMZ23T9VHE

This one is from the pov of a prostitute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fkwksdbPY


Frenetic passive aggressive happy-anger, left over dead-inside post-Nirvana post-grunge Nirvana sound-alikes, indie pop-rock, and watered down post-hardcore/emo with some dark-cabaret aesthetics sprinkled around (Dresdon Dolls, Emilie Autumn, Panic At The Disco.) Pop Punk/skate punk seemed like the most happy/hopeful genre to me at the time. And the early 2000 music was very political as well. My Chemical Romance was basically formed as a therapy project for the lead singer who witnessed 9/11 first hand lol so and several of those 90s/2000s alt rock figures have committed suicide by this point.

And you know Marilyn Manson was doing some kind of critique of Ziggy Stardust before he faded into the background at some point a bit before the 2000s pop punk thing. That and other stuff bled into some stuff like The Birthday Massacre I guess, but Jack off Jill released their last album in 2000 and Holy Wood was released in 2000, so that aesthetic/creative group were more centred in the 90s.

In hindsight I am a bit bummed that 'emo' wasn't more like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFTnvzHrsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMsmnyLGJBA

because that combination of things was some good ****. Instead of (or you know Funeral for a Friend above etc that kind of thing,):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ux6SlOE9Qk
I've always kind of hated Van Halen. I think I might have liked them a bit when I was a teen but they got boring and schlocky really fast. Will check out the vids.

Also, anything beyond Van Halen's first album was pretty bad.

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Oh sorry by the way I wanted there to be more of a separation between that post and me quoting you I should have started a new post really since it's not relevant to your post but was just thinking on the thread vibe of 'music was better in the past.' I actually don't think the emotional tone of music has changed much from when I was younger to now because I think society has been stuck in something of a hangover since the late 80s/early 90s. It's not a coincidence that most teenagers now can relate and identify fully with the music of Nirvana despite it being before their time, and probably even post-punk, but can't connect to bands like Van Halen or in this case know who they are.

The inability to create new forms is so extreme now that people just slow down music that fits that hangover style:



And when I listen to Billie Eilish I get a similar vibe.

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Yet the desire burns strong
On in desire for destruction
One on which she'll depend
One that ceases to deepen
Too near bitter end


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I thought a lot more kids than ever listen to rock and alternative music now.

I like a few of Van Halen's stuff and Billie Eilish is really talented. Her voice has a classic feel to it in some of her songs. I'm not a huge fan of her music but it's good.
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All this music is freely available on spotify and youtube so kids really have no excuse for being so ignorant these days, back in my days we joined Columbia House and bought a wide selection of pop, rock, jazz, classical, reggae, r&b, etc. One of these days I'll unbox all of that collected vinyl
Have you listened to every song on spotify and YouTube?

Have you listened to this?


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Yet the desire burns strong
On in desire for destruction
One on which she'll depend
One that ceases to deepen
Too near bitter end


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So...OP, you like Van Halen. Why not make an “I like Van Halen” thread? Why put down an artist you’re entirely unfamiliar with?

If you did it for clicks, I guess it worked. I entered this thread because of Eilish.

Edit: A strange controversy indeed.

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Unknown artist!? How dare you blaspheme Jimmy. This will not stand.




kids these days

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Neck is bleeding bad
The teeth have long departed
Yet the desire burns strong
On in desire for destruction
One on which she'll depend
One that ceases to deepen
Too near bitter end


Black through the mountains
She turns her loosening ring
Guardian angel sings
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You're still yours, you're still yours"

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Eilish seems like more of the same to me.
She fits in well with the crossover SUV/Apple/Starbucks holy trinity.
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I didn't mean Jimmy Urine was unknown, just that there are tons of unknown artists on spotify and youtube.


Jimmy sounds a bit like Marilyn Manson / White Zombie mix. I'll check spotify for some of his albums.
You got in too quick before I edited my post lol.

Yes some of his early work was quite similar.


Also Mindless Self Indulgence are a band, and most of his work is under that name.

Also The Left Rights


It's mostly a combination of electropunk and hip-hop

Lucy's bitten
Neck is bleeding bad
The teeth have long departed
Yet the desire burns strong
On in desire for destruction
One on which she'll depend
One that ceases to deepen
Too near bitter end


Black through the mountains
She turns her loosening ring
Guardian angel sings
"I think you've lost your wings, but you're still yours
You're still yours, you're still yours"

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