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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-16-2019, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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What do you make of Jesus?

Most atheists and non-Christians don't dispute the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. So I'm wondering, what do you think of him and his life? Was he a well-meaning individual with some mental illness (hearing voices and seeing things that don't exist are reminiscent of schizophrenia, for example). Do you think he was an outright liar? Or do you not believe in his existence at all; do you think that all the stories are based on a fictional person?

This question is obviously for non-Christians only. If you want to discuss how Jesus is the son of God, there's another forum for that
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-17-2019, 03:22 PM
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I think he's an amalgam of Apollonius of Tyana and various other sons of gods that were supposedly running around at the time. He really isn't that unique if you do some research. Of course there are actual writings by him unlike Jesus.

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Even before he was born, it was known that he would be someone special. A supernatural being informed his mother the child she was to conceive would not be a mere mortal but would be divine. He was born miraculously, and he became an unusually precocious young man. As an adult he left home and went on an itinerant preaching ministry, urging his listeners to live, not for the material things of this world, but for what is spiritual. He gathered a number of disciples around him, who became convinced that his teachings were divinely inspired, in no small part because he himself was divine. He proved it to them by doing many miracles, healing the sick, casting out demons, and raising the dead. But at the end of his life he roused opposition, and his enemies delivered him over to the Roman authorities for judgment, but unlike Jesus was not crucified,[31] as he vanished from the courtroom and reappeared in another place days later where he was seen by his followers,[32] and convinced them that he was not really dead, but lived on in the heavenly realm. Later some of his followers wrote books about him.[33]
The above quote is about Apollonius.
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Once I got to about 16 I just assumed the church made all that up too - so it's not something I ever think about.
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Seems like he was friendly enough.

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Lots of times in the Bible he seemed kinda grouchy.
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A well meaning guy who taught basic **** like kindness and love and since pple were so **** he seemed revolutionary. Shrug.

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Hmm. Disputed son of God? I think there's room to discuss jesus in any forum or form, be it religious or not. What I find interesting is that there are Islamic accounts of this jesus dude and the quotes attributed to him not-from-the-bible that sound similar to those found in the bible. Maybe this was a real dude. Maybe he's an amalgamation of things. Maybe he's the middle eastern buddha?
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I believe in God and I think believing in a man like Jesus is very healthy if he did or didn't exist.
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I think Jesus was either a spiritually enlightened human being during his lifetime, or his death and resurrection is supposed to be an allegory of the process of spiritual enlightenment. In scientific terms, spiritual enlightenment would be a certain state of consciousness, likely involving ego death and other atypical experiences. I believe psychosis - such as seen in schizophrenics and drug users - may involve similar subjective experiences, except the patient doesn't understand what's happening so they might become panicked and/or interpret it in the "wrong" way (medically what is termed "delusional thinking").

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I think that even the most crazy fairy tales tend to have some grain of truth to them, so a preacher called "Yeshua" probably did exist around that time. Perhaps this preacher was even smart enough to play off of the old Jewish traditions and convince some unfortunately gullible people that he was their promised "messiah." From the stories (driving out people selling in the temple, for example) it sounds like he was a bit of a rebel, going against the Jewish traditions of his time. Or perhaps he was simply schizophrenic, some guy who actually believed all the crazy stuff he supposedly said and did.

Of course it's highly likely that all of the supernatural stuff is completely bogus. Nobody can walk on water, turn water to wine, multiply loaves or fishes, bring people back from the dead, etc. It's likely that all of these stories are based on real-life events that were blown way out of proportion in subsequent tellings. And of course there's no way he died and came back to life; far more likely that someone did manage to take his body after the crucifixion, probably some kind of co-conspirator who wanted his legend to grow. And since people were so superstitious and gullible back then, hey, it worked!

I just think it's ridiculous that so many people today still believe in all of that nonsense. It's been 2000 years for Christ's sake; when exactly is he supposed to "return"? But that's the power of indoctrination for you.

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An okay philosopher who has had myth upon myth piled onto him and far more attention than is deserved. I bet the real Jesus would be baffled to learn all the crap that is attributed to him.
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Wonder if anyone ever told Jesus to make something of himself?

"Hey Jesus, go get a degree, at least learn a trade, make something or yourself for (your own)sakes"
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Originally Posted by funnynihilist View Post
Wonder if anyone ever told Jesus to make something of himself?

"Hey Jesus, go get a degree, at least learn a trade, make something or yourself for (your own)sakes"
His happiness came from within.

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His happiness came from within.
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The lack of contemporary accounts of him suggests that, assuming he was a real person (I don't know and don't care to waste time investigating thoroughly), he probably wasn't that remarkable. He probably never claimed to be god, because the god bit seems to have been tacked on by particular authors more than others. He may have claimed to be some sort of holy man or prophet, like Muslims think. Prophets were a dime a dozen back then. I wouldn't try to diagnose him with a disorder, because things were different back then and people had lots of fantastic beliefs and not much education or reason to doubt them. When you know nothing about how the world works, magical thinking is as reasonable as anything.

If any of the accounts can be believed, he was fairly decent and progressive for his time (although backward in many ways by modern standards). I'd put him middle of the pack for world religious figures -- he's not one of the ones I'd actually admire and want to talk philosophy with, but he's not one of the many I'd loathe either. Mostly harmless.

Originally Posted by funnynihilist View Post
Wonder if anyone ever told Jesus to make something of himself?

"Hey Jesus, go get a degree, at least learn a trade, make something or yourself for (your own)sakes"
Wasn't he a carpenter? Perfectly useful trade.

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