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Do you think computing has become too easy?


I've been having a lot of fun for the past couple of days, playing around with an older operating system. Doing things as simple as trying to set it up to play mp3, stream audio, installing various libraries so it will display jpg files, configuring the browser, etc.



It is just simple things, that probably annoy most people, but I get a kick out of troubleshooting computers and trying to fix them. It is a rush, after spending hours working on a computer, and surfing the web for obscure information when I get it to work.


That seems to be gone from modern computing, now almost everything works out of the box, there is little that needs to be configured, most troubleshooting is incredibly easy. Even when I do have a problem, it is just a quick and easy search on the web, that usually takes no more than a few minutes.



It feels like everything has been streamlined so much, that there is little to nothing left to do.

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Yeah not to mention that giant corporations have their tentacles and ads everywhere. Internet was more fun when it had higher barrier to entry.
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Yeah not to mention that giant corporations have their tentacles and ads everywhere. Internet was more fun when it had higher barrier to entry.

I enjoyed the Internet a lot more back then, I think it was the act of searching for sites which was more fun. Also, it was less social than it is now, the social aspect I think draws in more revenue as it keeps most people engaged and coming back to various sites - but it has completely restructured the web. What is worst, is that the web seems to be designed in such a way to create as much conflict as possible between people, at least that is the impression I get from most social media. What was once millions upon millions of personal webpages has become a few hundred incredibly popular sites that most people go to socialize with one another, often just arguing with one another.


I remember a year or two ago, going through my browser history to see how many sites I had visited that month, it came down to only about thirty or so.. that is absolutely horrible, in the earlier 2000s I imagine it would have numbered in a few hundred. Search engines in general do not help very much either, they typically lead to the same sites over and over again.


One search engine I have enjoyed a lot, is http://wiby.me which provides a far more entertaining means of browsing the web for me, when I want to do so out of leisure.

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I've been having to help my mum a bunch recently since she's been working from home a bit more and having all kinds of problems with her laptop. She emailed tech support at work and I had to follow their instructions so they could get remote access to her laptop, because she couldn't. Then at one point she dropped it so the screen broke, and then she did something to the second monitor she set up so it turned off and needed me to fix that, and then later the school she worked for gave her an ipad and she couldn't figure out how to connect to the internet on that (I did despite having never used one in seconds.) She's pretty technophobic so will just panic, get really frustrated, and immediately ask me.

To me I've been using various technology from a young age, I have some vague memory of setting up some computer for my grandma I think when I was a kid. So I guess it's like that generational term 'digital native' but my mum can't do that (she's 60, though it's not just an age thing she really does seem to have some mild phobic reaction sometimes.)

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I enjoyed the Internet a lot more back then, I think it was the act of searching for sites which was more fun. Also, it was less social than it is now, the social aspect I think draws in more revenue as it keeps most people engaged and coming back to various sites - but it has completely restructured the web. What is worst, is that the web seems to be designed in such a way to create as much conflict as possible between people, at least that is the impression I get from most social media. What was once millions upon millions of personal webpages has become a few hundred incredibly popular sites that most people go to socialize with one another, often just arguing with one another.


I remember a year or two ago, going through my browser history to see how many sites I had visited that month, it came down to only about thirty or so.. that is absolutely horrible, in the earlier 2000s I imagine it would have numbered in a few hundred. Search engines in general do not help very much either, they typically lead to the same sites over and over again.


One search engine I have enjoyed a lot, is http://wiby.me which provides a far more entertaining means of browsing the web for me, when I want to do so out of leisure.
It's designed to exploit people's emotions and be addictive like gambling, but because some emotions are more effective than others it defaults to anger a lot of the time. Also at a certain point more conservatives got online which meant the political landscape changed to be more heterogenous.

I think this is what capitalism does though it eventually results in monopolies it happens in every industry. It also happened with irl shops. A smaller and smaller group of people eventually own everything and then it becomes spiritually bankrupt, ****, and a cash grab. This is my primary problem with the economic model. It eventually produces crap. Just look at what happened to the video game industry with the larger companies and their micro transactions and loot boxes etc and every game in a series getting dumbed down and less content (and EA.)

EA (this is just my favourite rant about EA masquerading as a game review):


The amount of data companies started collecting and selling or giving away free to others including various governments was also a **** development.

Oh and then sometimes useful features are removed in updates to things. Like the YouTube update where the option to search playlists were removed. I ended up installing a script to keep the old YouTube although recently it's started failing more for some reason so sometimes when I load pages it still ends up on the newer YouTube layout. One advantage to the new layout is you can search your history though. But to search your playlist while adding to it you have to use browser search and then scroll down to find what has been highlighted this is a pretty small thing but requires more clicks and I didn't understand the point of removing that.

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It's designed to exploit people's emotions and be addictive like gambling, but because some emotions are more effective than others it defaults to anger a lot of the time. Also at a certain point more conservatives got online which meant the political landscape changed to be more heterogenous.

I think this is what capitalism does though it eventually results in monopolies it happens in every industry. It also happened with irl shops. A smaller and smaller group of people eventually own everything and then it becomes spiritually bankrupt, ****, and a cash grab. This is my primary problem with the economic model. It eventually produces crap. Just look at what happened to the video game industry with the larger companies and their micro transactions and loot boxes etc and every game in a series getting dumbed down and less content (and EA.)

It's a shame, if only there were a way to prevent corporations from growing so large that they swallow up all of the competition. I'm not an economist, and haven't a clue what is best for society so I can't speak with any authority on the topic - but I did very much enjoy when there were a bunch of different companies providing a variety of computers, that as well as when the Internet was in it's infancy and a variety of ISPs existed, as well as several different search engines. I can't really even blame the corporations though, because it is the people that continue to use them. It is so bad now, that when someone gets banned from a social media site, they complain they have lost their freedom of speech, it doesn't even occur to them that they can move to another social media site, they could push for others to as well. GAB, MeWe, Bit Chute, the list goes on and on - they could even create their own websites.


We are ultimately responsible for it I think. I'm just rambling now, it is just so strange to see how these larger corporations are held on to so strongly by people, who really don't like them to begin with. Whenever I go on to youtube, and view political related material it seems so crazy to me to see people complaining, and no leaving. It is the same with the Yahoo news comment section, which is a pretty wild ride. I think the only reason Yahoo is as big as it is, is because the people who absolutely hate that site keep going back to it to leave comments on their news articles

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No.......I spent enough time being frustrated. I enjoy tinkering with things at times (If I don't have to rely on them when it counts) but to me, computers are tools. I don't enjoy trying to use inferior tools for every job. I might use an obsolete tool just for the neato nostalgia of it but I wouldn't want to use it every day just to accomplish things that need to be done. Example -I'd rather use a cordless drill than a hand drill if I was always drilling things. Just for reasons of practicality. I'd only use an ancient hand drill all the time if I had to.

I remember when I got my first internet capable PC. I had no idea what I was doing and it had some glitches that I couldn't figure out (at the time) so I just put up with constant crashes and bluescreens and searching for answers to problems I didn't even know the names of. 20 years later, I'm glad that's behind me. And it can stay there. I did learn a lot (eventually) but it wasn't by choice and it wasn't fun pulling my hair out.

Back in the day, I had a TV, cable, a DVD collection, a CD collection, a complicated home theater system. My computer has replaced all of that and I'm fine with it. But in order for it to be a real replacement for all of that, it has to work right all the time and not be constantly glitching and not doing what I want it to.

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It's a shame, if only there were a way to prevent corporations from growing so large that they swallow up all of the competition. I'm not an economist, and haven't a clue what is best for society so I can't speak with any authority on the topic - but I did very much enjoy when there were a bunch of different companies providing a variety of computers, that as well as when the Internet was in it's infancy and a variety of ISPs existed, as well as several different search engines. I can't really even blame the corporations though, because it is the people that continue to use them. It is so bad now, that when someone gets banned from a social media site, they complain they have lost their freedom of speech, it doesn't even occur to them that they can move to another social media site, they could push for others to as well. GAB, MeWe, Bit Chute, the list goes on and on - they could even create their own websites.


We are ultimately responsible for it I think. I'm just rambling now, it is just so strange to see how these larger corporations are held on to so strongly by people, who really don't like them to begin with. Whenever I go on to youtube, and view political related material it seems so crazy to me to see people complaining, and no leaving. It is the same with the Yahoo news comment section, which is a pretty wild ride. I think the only reason Yahoo is as big as it is, is because the people who absolutely hate that site keep going back to it to leave comments on their news articles
People are moving and use others like there's Bit Chute competing with YouTube and Parler with twitter, but I understand the complaining too over leaving silently as long as you do both it alerts others to how restrictive the websites are so they can also choose to leave. The thing is, these other sites then become 'conservative sites' sometimes so what's actually happening is that the divide that already exists is just being emphasised even more as people just go to their own space. I was watching a video recently that ended up age restricted and I think initially it was blocked but they reviewed that and made it age restricted instead, this was on YT so she uploaded it to *****ute but got tons of negative comments because she's left wing politically lol and so was her video addressing current events. Not sure that's an improvement if you're not consuming a variety of content but I guess it's the same problem as with TV networks.

Sometimes there isn't a decent alternative though, and it's very difficult for new businesses to compete with these large ones I think. I think it's easier to manage small businesses most of the decisions on YT are being made by underpaid workers in developing companies and AI.

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/statu...60696874287110

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deadass 70% of the website is unironic nazis. not *****utes fault thats just the nature of being a free speech platform. it's just hilarious.
When YouTube's biggest alternatives are a site that's also owned by a corporation (Twitch - Amazon,) has a bunch of strict rules and is gaming/creative focused or 'the Nazi site' it's not a lot of options lol.

Going a bit off topic now but LOL I forgot everyone (the conspiracy theorists,) thinks Shoe is secretly trans (she's not.)



Not that it matters but it's just hilarious that they're so OCD:


edit: I hadn't heard of GAB or MeWe (which is a point about how hard it is for these sites to gain attention,) but GAB is also mentioned as being a far-right site. So this is fairly depressing since many social media sites have a number of issues besides censoring far-right views but the sites that pop up in contrast all end up dominated by the far right. This is why forums and chat servers, are probably better. Although it's really only after 2014 that you find these guys everywhere because of that shift I mentioned.

I was thinking homonationalism seems insane but it's starting to make sense in how it develops. YouTube censors LGBT+ creators (but mostly gay ones,) and the far right, they move/commiserate, put them together homonationalism lol. (And it's not like most people aren't larping because they have no sense of community.)

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Computing hasn't become too easy. All the complexity is there for anyone who wants to crack open the hood and tinker around. I daresay computing is much more complicated now than it was 20 years ago, when you could still learn how to do just about everything yourself.

The user friendly interface is there to spare people who don't have decades to learn the ins and outs of computing. And I believe that's an incredibly good thing. I don't want to have to learn how to farm before I can eat, or learn medicine before I can have an operation, either.

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Imagine if social media were to vanish overnight, no more youtube, facebook, twitter, and all the others. I wonder what the world would look like, it is actually pretty fun to think about. I think for a lot of people, it drives them off the edge and into lala land. It is like a constant stream of programming, that eventually leads some to believe in a trans conspiracy that Shoe0nHead is part of. The flat Earth society would certainly lose some revenue in the process, and anti-vaxxers would not have so many supporters.



I bet more people wouldn't be freaking out over wearing masks too Sometimes I think, a lot of people in general just can't handle the web. They get sucked into the virtual world, and begin to believe the strangest of things.

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No.......I spent enough time being frustrated. I enjoy tinkering with things at times (If I don't have to rely on them when it counts) but to me, computers are tools. I don't enjoy trying to use inferior tools for every job. I might use an obsolete tool just for the neato nostalgia of it but I wouldn't want to use it every day just to accomplish things that need to be done. Example -I'd rather use a cordless drill than a hand drill if I was always drilling things. Just for reasons of practicality. I'd only use an ancient hand drill all the time if I had to.

I remember when I got my first internet capable PC. I had no idea what I was doing and it had some glitches that I couldn't figure out (at the time) so I just put up with constant crashes and bluescreens and searching for answers to problems I didn't even know the names of. 20 years later, I'm glad that's behind me. And it can stay there. I did learn a lot (eventually) but it wasn't by choice and it wasn't fun pulling my hair out.

Back in the day, I had a TV, cable, a DVD collection, a CD collection, a complicated home theater system. My computer has replaced all of that and I'm fine with it. But in order for it to be a real replacement for all of that, it has to work right all the time and not be constantly glitching and not doing what I want it to.

I guess maybe hardship is more appealing when you can turn it on and off.

I can see your point, it is nice to have everything work. But I often find myself at the computer bored now, I liked running into problems and solving them. Plus, it is fun to overcome limitations and get my computer to do things it was not designed for. My computer is more than a tool to me, it is like an extension of myself, it is where I spend most of my time and I like to put a bit of myself into it - if that makes any sense. I mean.. don't have dirty thoughts ;p



With Windows 10, everything just works. If I need something, I just download it, run the installation, and it is done, there is nothing there for me to do but click a few buttons. With my Amiga, it is so much more involved and I feel a weird connection to it, as though I poured a bit of myself into it.


Yeah, I'm weird like that

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No.

Computing hasn't become too easy. All the complexity is there for anyone who wants to crack open the hood and tinker around. I daresay computing is much more complicated now than it was 20 years ago, when you could still learn how to do just about everything yourself.

The user friendly interface is there to spare people who don't have decades to learn the ins and outs of computing. And I believe that's an incredibly good thing. I don't want to have to learn how to farm before I can eat, or learn medicine before I can have an operation, either.

I'm speaking in terms of a personal computer, for the most part it has become so incredibly easy that there is no challenge left. It is a good thing for most people, but I miss tinkering around with my computer to get everything to work correctly.

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I never really learned how to use MS-DOS.

I mostly used DOS to play games in, I did run a BBS through dos for a short period of time, I think even then though I was running it through a command prompt in windows. It has been so long I forget now, but back in the earlier 90s ms-dos ran games better than windows


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I think if social media disappeared it might reduce some of the more out there conspiracies but I think similar numbers of people wouldn't be taking the virus seriously out of a need to seem tough and you still have 'leaders' like Trump and Bolsonaro saying random **** like the virus is a hoax or not wearing masks for political reasons. If you tell someone to do something, as a general rule in Western countries (especially America though,) they won't do it.


Also just thinking about new stuff I think there are a lot more errors/glitches problems these days though. Just the other day I was reading about some issue with a Windows 10 update that is causing emails to be deleted from the gmail app without permission, and lots of other problems with previous updates people talk about.

I guess if you're bored you could try modding furbies or something:



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I wonder if Trump would have even been elected if it were not for social media though, he garnered quite a lot of support through it. I don't know if Clinton would have won, but I think it would have been pretty hard for Trump to get as far as he did.


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Computers though, that is where my heart is - I still have my Amiga to goof around with. I was just bored and was curious if anyone else felt the same way I do when it comes to computers of today.

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yeah he probably wouldn't have been elected if not for social media. I also remember hearing he ran for president before as a third party candidate and didn't get elected (but no one can get elected as a third party candidate :/) I was more thinking if it just disappeared now.

Oh no hopefully the furby will be OK.

I haven't really used any older non-Windows computers. I used some Acorn computers (British company,) that were at my school when I was young but don't remember that much, and maybe the school my mum worked at as a young child when there was still more competition besides PC and Mac. Then the first computer we had at home in about 1998 was a IBM ps/2 which was from the 80s but I didn't really do much with that except play this one game that was installed (Blockout I think,) a lot.

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Easier than ever with so many websites, forum and videos on youtube showing you how to do everything or to solve problems you might have. You plug most components now and it's plug and play, drivers basically install themselves.

10 or 20 years ago it wasn't always easy and components were a pain to install and didnt always work at all and setting up gamepads or racing wheels could drive you nuts. Now you plug it and it works right away for the most part with little to no setup.

You can order everything online and it comes to your house, don't even have to ever set foot in a store. If that's not easy, i dont know what is.

Building a computer from scratch is not even a feat reserved for nerds anymore. Anyone and their mother with some patience can do it with the help of youtube or some guide online. The internet made a whole lot of things easier to understand.

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I just put in some new batteries, and the furby is happily chatting away. It is a first generation one, so it did not have as many electronics to worry about. It is in desperate need of a cleaning though, the mop water did not seem to help out very much.


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That is something else I kind of miss, walking around in computer stores and finding upgrades for my computer. That, and a ton of games to sort through, and while doing so occasionally running into other gamers that would remark on whatever game I was looking at. I remember one time a guy all hyped up about EverQuest highly suggested it, and his girlfriend implored my girlfriend not to let me buy it I think those were one of the very few stores I would like to browse around in.

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