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Most humor is Disrespectful and Otherising


when you boil it down, a lot of humor stems from being derogatory.

common sources of laughter:
different ethnicity
being sexually unattractive, or physical deformities
possessing no talents
being unintelligent
not fitting into the social group
being "too old" or "too young"
for exceptionally immature people: being non-cishet

incidentally these things can also make people angry.

basically, being "bad" or "different" is unappealing, to the point where it is a constant source of humor. i guess we laugh to stamp out the deformities?

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There's an ancient proverb/quote that goes something like this (I'm paraphrasing):
"Tragedy is the act of tearing up the things that we hold dear, comedy is the act of tearing up things of no value to us."

I think the point is that we make light of our differences, until they don't seem so scary and alien to us anymore.

Not sure though, I could just be talking hogwash out of my behind here.

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I think the best humor comes from looking at the absurdities of life.

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There's an ancient proverb/quote that goes something like this (I'm paraphrasing):
"Tragedy is the act of tearing up the things that we hold dear, comedy is the act of tearing up things of no value to us."

I think the point is that we make light of our differences, until they don't seem so scary and alien to us anymore.

Not sure though, I could just be talking hogwash out of my behind here.
that's basically "we laugh to stamp out the deformities" , only painted with a different brush, isn't it

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I think the best humor comes from looking at the absurdities of life.
Yes.

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So this is why the millennials mostly don't seem to prefer humor?
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Maybe most humor comes from being the victim of disrespect & othering in the first place & derogatory humor is an attempt to balance the karma of the universe.






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I think you're looking at this from the prism of how you were treated? I don't think that's most humor is. It's what you were on the receiving end of too much? Or what you observed happening to others frequently?

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That's why I tend to stick to toilet humor. It still offends people so you can't really win.

I understand your point and how you feel about it but in a way, I kind of see it as a pressure relief valve. People who have issues with one thing or another are not going to stop thinking whatever they think no matter what. I'd rather have them laughing at me than have them bottling whatever it is up inside them for ages until they have 20 years of pent up aggression built up inside just waiting for something to set them off.

When I was younger, pretty much nothing was off-limits for stand up comedy. And gay jokes were always a staple of comedy. I'm bi and not openly so so there were many secretly cringy moments for me when I'd be watching a comedy special with friends or something. I'd be sitting there hoping they didn't catch a certain look on my face or notice I was turning red or something. Or I'd be hoping they didn't wonder why I wasn't laughing as hard as they were. Whatever. Just that kind of thing. At the end of the day, people laughed about stuff and we still ended up with a society that is more tolerant and respectful of people with different sexual orientations. WAY more tolerant than say the 80s.

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I haven't seen anything in stand up that I thought was going too far.
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Ok I was more thinking of "universally unpleasant" things (death, rejection, etc.) that are joked about when I wrote the first post.

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that's basically "we laugh to stamp out the deformities" , only painted with a different brush, isn't it



Yes.
No because true deformities are a low-hanging fruit. The only exception I can think of is between friends/couples, when you're both clear there's no malicious intent, like a kind of quasi-hazing routine.

Like, no-one with a heart would make fun of a mentally disabled kid for their intelligence. But we all make digs at harebrained celebrities to take them down a notch. The true Others are persecuted and ostracised, not laughed at on Late Night television.

Interested to hear your response to @C137 ITT.

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Idk, maybe I isolate myself from the sort of humour I don't like, but I don't notice that much derogatory humour. In the U.K. most humour is self-deprecating, which helps people bond. The whole "laughing at deformities" thing seems very high school, or even primary school. It's just not cool to laugh at otherness amongst adults. There is "breaking the taboo" humour, but you really have to know your audience to know that you are not going to hurt or offend anyone, and people tend to avoid that most of the time.

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I think a lot of humour is actually supposed to be funny because it's relatable. It also kind of defines the boundaries of what's acceptable to laugh about in a culture, which is increasingly less stuff when people no longer relate much, which is the case right now.

A lot of the humour I come across is either dark, surreal or self deprecating as well.

There is this though:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8732251.html

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Humor can be different. Just because some jokes are more popular doesn't mean it can't be otherwise. It's just like any cultural sphere.

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Most comedy is light-hearted fun about relatable topics. It doesn't carry derogatory intent - it's simply a form of story-telling to make people smile and laugh

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So this is why the millennials mostly don't seem to prefer humor?
i don't understand this

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I think you're looking at this from the prism of how you were treated?
it's definitely based on my second- and third hand observations since being a child:

"hahaha that man is wearing underwear with heart motif" (scenario featured in millions of cartoons. memetically "funny")

"hahaha homosexuals are abnormal and disgusting and silly, they have sex in the butt ahahahaaha" <-- all homos are male

Family Guy: "hahah Stewie is a homosexual baby"

also FG: "hahaha shut up my daughter, you are ugly and homosexual"

"that man is ugly, he's probably a child rapist, hahahah" - and stuff like https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...sArePedophiles

"that girl is so stupid, her denseness annoys and humors me"

"blonde women are dumb hahahahah"

"X is dumber than a bag of rocks"

"old people having sex? ewww gross hahahaha i judge old people" - and The many times Seth Meyers has joked about old people's health/mood/bodies.

the hundreds of times people have made fun of Trump's alleged "peepee tape" because paraphilias are lolworthy (i'm biased of course).

Me laughing at people for not having IT skills (i nearly laughed in a coworker's face the other day for not being IT proficient enough - stopped myself in the last second).


I may be looking at this with the wrong lens tho.


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I kind of see it as a pressure relief valve. People who have issues with one thing or another are not going to stop thinking whatever they think no matter what. I'd rather have them laughing at me than have them bottling whatever it is up inside them for ages until they have 20 years of pent up aggression built up inside just waiting for something to set them off.

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Good points.

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Like, no-one with a heart would make fun of a mentally disabled kid for their intelligence

Interested to hear your response to @C137 ITT.
well no, but the term retard is used pretty often. more common with children, but still. I started waning off that word about 2 years ago....

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I haven't seen anything in stand up that I thought was going too far.
at 3:10 he absolutely loses it, some people love it some hate it lol.
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at 3:10 he absolutely loses it, some people love it some hate it lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBtpLTG-ONo
i'd say 18:20 is when he loses it.

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i'd say 18:20 is when he loses it.
jesus, a literal example of assinine otherising.
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I agree 100%. A lot of jokes are thinly veiled insults at individuals and/or groups. Some might not notice it because they're not the ones being constantly **** on.
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