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No, the account of creation in Genesis has been validated by science. There was an article in New Scientist about that. There was no way anyone could have known at the time it was written.
Does it really? The bible states that vegetation was created in the 3rd day, the sun in the 4th day. I guess when the bible was written, they didn't know that vegetation can't survive without the sun.

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Well if we don't believe in Jesus we shouldn't believe in years either cause they're currently supposed to be his age.






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I guess when the bible was written, they didn't know that vegetation can't survive without the sun.
....Ah come on they'd survive one day especially if god was still pottering around making stuff, he's bound to glow like a sun himself or something : /






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Anyone believe in Hercules anymore? Apollo?
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Does it really? The bible states that vegetation was created in the 3rd day, the sun in the 4th day. I guess when the bible was written, they didn't know that vegetation can't survive without the sun.
This question has been analyzed by others, so I will look into it.

Genesis also says that life began in the sea, the Earth was once a waterworld, that plants preceded animals, that the universe was once completely dark and that it had a definite starting-point. None of those was known at the time.

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Anyone believe in Hercules anymore? Apollo?
At least the gods of the ancient Roman and Greek pantheons were like, understandable. They were actually fallible -- they made mistakes and didn't always do the "right" thing.

That's the thing that baffles me most about the Abrahamic versions of "God" I think. God is supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, righteous and "perfect" -- all of which are concepts so far removed from actual Human experience that it's hard for anyone to grasp them. What's the point? I guess that's why they came up with Jesus -- at least he was mortal, or demi-mortal, depending on which sect of Christianity you ask. But most of them claim that he was still "perfect." The natural result of this is that most Christian religions are exceptionally perfectionist, which has been proven to have a severe negative impact on some peoples' mental health. And people wonder why there's so much depression and anxiety these days...

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Genesis also says that life began in the sea, the Earth was once a waterworld, that plants preceded animals, that the universe was once completely dark and that it had a definite starting-point. None of those was known at the time.
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This question has been analyzed by others, so I will look into it.



Genesis also says that life began in the sea, the Earth was once a waterworld, that plants preceded animals, that the universe was once completely dark and that it had a definite starting-point. None of those was known at the time.
Genesis came from Sumerian texts like the seven tablets of creation which were written thousands of years before.
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Just stories to create a religion to control people. Just like Jewish and Muslim stories.


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With Easter coming, some people are debating whether the resurrection of Jesus really happened. Others are debating whether Jesus was even real.


In ten years of writing for news and opinion sites, my most popular article about religion was one titled, “Five Reasons to Suspect Jesus Never Existed.” The article emerged from a conversation with history writer David Fitzgerald and was based on his book, Nailed.



Fitzgerald holds the controversial perspective that the figure of Jesus at the heart of Christianity is historicized mythology, meaning that the original kernel was a set of ancient religious tropes or myths that got historical details added as they were told and retold by people who believed them to be real.


By contrast, best-selling New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman (and most secular historians and mainline Christian theologians) argue that an actual radical rabbi provided the kernel of the stories, but that accounts of his life then got overlaid with fragments of mythology drawn from Judaism and surrounding religions. In other words, they hold that the Bible stories are mythologized history.


The third perspective, of course, is that held by many (though not all) Christians—that the gospel stories are gospel truth.


Outsiders can debate all they want, but Christians need to believe that Jesus was real, and defenders of the faith line up a series of proofs that they claim settle the question. Now Fitzgerald has produced a three-volume set, Jesus: Mything in Action, in which he tackles those proofs one by one and then lays out how Christianity could have emerged even in the absence of a historical Jesus.


Tarico: What first made you wonder if, perhaps, Jesus never existed?


Fitzgerald: It’s funny; for the first thirty-five years of my life, the very idea that there might nothave been a real Jesus never occurred to me. Ironically enough, it wasn’t until I became curious to know what Jesus really said and did that I began to seriously look at our evidence for Jesus. That‘s when the doubts set in. At first, I just wanted to figure out which parts of the gospels were later legendary add-ons. Over time I became increasingly convinced that Jesus himself is a completely mythical figure of the early Christians. That led me to write Nailed.

Tarico: What are a couple of the key points that took you from that first wild, trippy thought—Whoa, what if Jesus never existed?—to your current position, that he probably didn’t.


Fitzgerald: Honestly, I’d put it even more strongly than that – now, I actually can’t see how there even could have been an actual Jesus. The first red flag for me was realizing just how little evidence actually holds up to inspection at all. Another was seeing how differently Christians talked about Jesus before and after the gospels were written. And then there’s the general level of bluff and bluster and just ridiculously overstated claims of Christian biblical scholars. The closer you look into Jesus, the more the cracks in his story keep appearing.

Tarico: Since writing Nailed, you have spent several years amassing evidence in support of your argument. Why?


Fitzgerald: Just to be clear; it’s not my argument – many of these ideas aren’t even new. Critics have been pointing out some of these problems since the first and second centuries. Nailed laid out the top ten ways the official story of Christianity just doesn’t hold water. For the most part, I’m incredibly pleased and gratified that the book has been so well-received by the secular community. But I was quite surprised by the reaction from some atheists. It wasn’t that they just disagreed or thought I was wrong; that’s not special. It was the ferocity with which they insisted there WAS a Jesus and it was crazy nonsense to think otherwise. So I wrote Jesus: Mything in Action to answer my fellow atheists who think we have good reason to accept that Jesus was at least a real person, if not the Son of God. Spoiler alert: We don’t.

Tarico: Why do you think there is so much resistance among non-believers to the idea that the person of Jesus could be a composite or a religious myth? Obviously, someone like Bart Ehrman would say that it’s because the evidence is against you.


Fitzgerald: I think there are several reasons, including the reaction I had when I first developed this growing realization: Hmmm… I’m starting to think this guy never existed… at all! The idea blew my mind; I couldn’t get my head around it. How could we have this gargantuan, feuding Christian world if there had never been a Jesus? And I suspect for many atheists, such a jaw-dropping notion raises the same alarms they get when they see crackpots talking about Atlantis or Bigfoot being real, or the moon landings being fake. To be fair, there are several Jesus myth theories that are just nonsense (for instance, the idea that Christianity was invented by the Romans as social control.)

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You have not addressed the issue of how those facts were recounted correctly when science only discovered them in the last couple of hundred years. (not that long ago in relative terms since Genesis was written thousands of years ago)

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Does it really? The bible states that vegetation was created in the 3rd day, the sun in the 4th day. I guess when the bible was written, they didn't know that vegetation can't survive without the sun.

I think one suggestion was that the atmosphere was not clear, possibly because there was less oxygen, so that light could penetrate but the sun was not visible. When oxygen was added, the sun became visible.

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Does it really? The bible states that vegetation was created in the 3rd day, the sun in the 4th day. I guess when the bible was written, they didn't know that vegetation can't survive without the sun.

I think one suggestion was that the atmosphere was not clear, possibly because there was less oxygen, so that light could penetrate but the sun was not visible. When oxygen was added, the sun became visible.
The vegetation can survive 1 day without sun, anyways the sequence doesn't matter, I doubt he waited for the trees to grow, Adam needed it, so you could simply question the existence of the magial creation.
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For me it's completely 50-50%, but I still wasn't convinced by the endless discussions with a friend that he exists. The only thing I don't understand is transexuals, and they are not even condemned by some church-law even tho the Bible judges them. Resisting their natural desires, changing it withe teraphy causes emotional harm, and just why change it?? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...erosexual.html
Also this world can make smart people suicide. Jesus is not here, why didn't he stay dead if he left us in here, he can't heal more blind people or autists.. Well those ppl found happiness too, Stephen Hawking was the happiest. We don't have to understand God, just trust him and eventually he will direct us on our road. He can't tell us everything, there are things we are not supposed to know, he just wanted to be there for us, he can't tell the future, nevertheless he was REFERRING to our network! Since Jesus will come again and be seen by the WHOLE WORLD. But the Bible predicted so much things and was written so intelligently, people are just lazy to read it and understand it. This guy I talked with, was reasoning really good and interesting stuff, they read from the Bible every week with his family. After his parents got married her father convinced his mother about god in 2 years lol, that needed a long time! It needed trust to focus on the problem and not rebelling against god or arguing as a competition. Like we tend to compete and find our partner for life. We are horny as a motivation too. We have natural things which are good, but wrong if overdone. So Jesus teaches self-control.
Christians trust this old, outdated belief more than the developing present, that doesn't mean it's wrong. Researchers can make misunderstandings (if not mistakes) too in this human-ape topic, some even tried to fake Darwin's idea by combining skulls.
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About 5 billion people religeously believe in Jesus (Christians and Muslims), other reigions, even agnostics or atheists sometimes also do. He is the most influential loving person of all time. So yes Jesus continues to make an impact. Most historians believe in the historical Christ and Paul's writings. So that He existed is no doubt. Wether if you believe in the miracles of Christ is different that comes to believing miracles are possible. But Jesus was/is pretty unique. No person claimed what He did or has done what He has done. There is a reason why most people still love Him today and consider Him their Savior and best friend. Jesus never let me down. So wether you believe that Christ is who He say He is: King of kings, Messiah, Way, Truth and Life, Son of God or not. You are either with Him or for Him. No in between. Jesus came to earth not to control but to heal/save us.

There is freedom, salvation of sin and eternal life in Christ. Either you accept that or not. But I been changed by Him and I know He will return in the sky any day so be prepared.
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