Social Anxiety Support

jestech · 02-01-2012, 08:48 PM

This drug gave me panic disorder.
I was a long time user of Phenibut, and probably used it daily for over 2 years. I would mainly use it for big meetings, because it was great at relaxing me and making me more social. However, I ended up staying on a smaller dose all the time because the withdrawal is rough.

Let me preface that I was 35 years old and never had a panic attack in my life or any type of anxiety. I was involved in an accident while vacationing in a foreign country, and woke up in the hospital 3 days later. The first thing that happened was a panic attack.....because of Phenibut withdrawl. I literally had to get into my luggage and sneak it into my room and take it, because the hospital never heard of it. Now I have panic attacks in any place where I feel trapped and terrible anticipatory anxiety.

I honestly wouldn't be on this forum if I had never started taking Phenibut.

Do yourselves a favor and stay away from this garbage, and if you're going to use it, do not use it often.

nbtac41 · 02-02-2012, 02:37 AM

i tried the first 300mg of powdered phenibut, and monitor its performance.. the taste is somewhat like a 'sour' fruit and i have difficulty swallowing it.
it worked to me as a sleeping agent,but it increases my anxiety..and also i suffered bouts of sleepiness even after 2 days..

i thought it makes you relax,but instead anxiety..so i discontinue using it. (but it may supplement alprazolam when it is not available)
phenibut is unknown here in the philippines.

sqwaaaz · 02-02-2012, 11:51 AM

I've used this for a while but no more than 1500mg a day and I also waited a few hours before taking another dose (500mg increments). I never noticed much effect.

Today I had a meeting with my supervisors and I anticipated it would be a stressful event and so I took 2g in the morning at 8:00. Around 13:00 the stuff started to kick in pretty hard.
Instead of mellowing out I was getting hyper, sort of like a large dose of ritalin or 50 coffees. Trying to handle more than 1 task was harder than usual.

While it does give a twist to the experience I am not sure if this stuff is much help for SA.

belfort · 02-02-2012, 08:30 PM

jestech-why were you using such a potent and addictive anti-anxiety supplement/drug if you didnt suffer from anxiety?how did you get off of it or are you still using it??

Zerix · 02-21-2012, 07:02 PM

I use Phenibut about once or twice a week, about 2-3 grams. Tolerance does build really fast, faster than anything else! But it's great, in moderation. Really helps a tough day and definitely has a noticeable buzz..

Only thing I'd say is careful to those taking this too often, it does have withdrawals too.

Ray Deo · 03-10-2012, 02:04 PM

Hi, I joined this forum so I could share experiences with Phenibut. I don't have social anxiety but I do have anxiety and fear about other things. I've been into a natural/holistic lifestyle for 30 years and try to avoid all prescribed medications as well as OTC medication, preferring to treat myself with herbal remedies, EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and other modalities.

I went to a naturopathic doctor for chronic neck/head problems which also have an effect on my mood. It felt like no nerve energy was flowing to my head. Along with vitamins/herbs/supplements, the doctor threw in a bottle of PheniTropic from Biotics Research with the recommendation of one 300 mg/capsule a day.

I took it as prescribed and by the 4th day started to feel good, and felt great by day 5 and 6 with my head feeling clearer than it had in a long time. I was a bit more outgoing and confident socially and also felt more horny. At that point I decided to read about phenibut and found some of the forums like this where people talk about tolerance and bad withdrawal symptoms. At that point I stopped taking it because I have a fear of becoming addicted to drugs, and I also wanted to see if there would be any negative symptoms by stopping it at that point.

It's been a week now since I stopped. I don't have that great feeling I had, but I also haven't reverted back to the low state I was in with bouts of fear, anxiety and depression. I don't know if the phenibut made any changes or kick-started any neurotransmitters, or if any of the other supplements or modalities are responsible, but the pressure/stress in my head/neck has lessened also.

I was concerned when I learned phenibut was a drug because I always want to take things that will repair/restore whatever is not functioning correctly, not artificially prop it up. I would rather restore neurotransmitter function if that was what was responsible for my low state of mind. I will probably try it again on a select basis, perhaps for certain situations, or even to take it once a week and see what happens. Perhaps it is supplying something that's missing on a permanent basis rather than a temporary fix.

I've always been afraid of any kind of "recreational" or mind-altering substances, i.e. never even smoked marijuana. Once in my life I took a prescribed Vicodin for severe nerve pain in the leg from a bulging disc, and had an experience I would describe as a bad LSD trip.

As you can see, I was getting good results from a relatively low dosage of phenibut, compared to some of the amounts I see others are taking. I will check in again when I have further observations to report...

Andreth · 03-10-2012, 09:18 PM

Whoa, phenibut is crazy. I've tried a bunch of other supplements for SA, the only other one that I liked was L-tryptophan, though that was good for the depression from SA, it didn't do anything about the anxiety. All it did was make the anxiety more tolerable because it was less depressing.

But...phenibut. That made me feel slightly drunk without the mental impairment/coordination impairment with alcohol. That and it lasts a lot longer than alcohol too. Totally wiped out anxiety. It's just too bad what I hear about not using it too often or the tolerance/withdrawal possibility, would be amazing if you could take this stuff daily. Like a permadrunk feeling without the downsides.

Not sure how often is ok to use though...from reading it looks like even 5 days on 2 days off can lead to withdrawal. Might just be a once in awhile thing to use...sucks.

smoke6861 · 03-13-2012, 04:36 PM

Ok so I have been taking phenibut now for almost a year and a half, it has helped me so much, I have been taking about 1 to 2 grams everyday, but I think now its not as good as it use to be but I have never taken any more than a 2 day break from it because Im not going to lie im hooked, but I have to ask if this works so good for some people wouldnt GABA too? because its almost the same thing, and also wouldnt gabapentin work well for us too? my main thing is it just feels like when Im off of phenibut my nerves just go crazy and Im thinking it could be a nerve thing which I think gabapentin is good for am I wrong? just want something to fill in for phenibut for about a month to clean out

Ray Deo · 03-18-2012, 01:52 PM

Here's an update from my report two posts up. As mentioned, the first week I took phenibut it took 5 days before I felt any effect, and felt very good on the 6th and 7th day. I then stopped taking it for a week. I lost the good feeling but didn't fall all the way back down into the deep lows I had previously. I just took it again for another week. This time I didn't feel any effect until the 6th day, and today, the 7th day, I feel good but not as great as I did the last two days of that first week. Again, the effects I feel today are more confidence and socially outgoing, as well as a good overall feeling. This has been on one 300mg capsule per day.

Phil P · 04-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Has anyone successfully used Glutamine or L Glutamine which is supposed to help raise gaba levels, along with phenibut? I'm wanting to try it as I'm thinking it could help reduce the amount of Phenibut needed

untalkativeguy · 04-15-2012, 02:43 AM

I'm a new user to this forum and I read all the thread and I still wonder if Phenibut is for me...
Phenibut does decrease anxiety as most users report but only a few say it makes you more talkative. I personally don't have anxiety but I'm far from being talkative and that ruins my social life.
Are there people on Phenibut with the same problem as me, did it make you talkative and more interested to people?
I only manage to get such effects with alcohol, but alcohol to me is disgusting, has bad side effects and is impossible to be used permanently.
I'm currently trying GHB which makes you more happy and relax but doesn't really increase your talkativeness or only a bit. Besides effects are very short...
The only drug that does boost my talkativeness is caffeine, I accidently overdosed caffeine and I really went talkative but side effects were unbearable and the dose nearly lethal.
Anyone can confirm if Phenibut does makes you more talkative, interested and so on...?
Also is there a dopamine rebound effect during withdrawal?

becky07 · 04-16-2012, 06:21 PM

Im so bummed about this! I bought the primaforce powder, took the recommended 300mg...nothing. Next day tried 1 gram...nothing

Am i just not taking enough??

belfort · 04-17-2012, 10:21 AM

untalkative-u have the same problem as me..phenibut will help to a small degree in making people more interesting..phenibut is not a pro-social drug though...GHB is and will definitely work for you..Ghb is the only drug i have taken that makes me actually enjoy socializing..do you live in europe or usa??

becky-i would take more, try out 1,500 mgs and see what happens..some people need insane amounts, like 5-6 grams to feel something..i STILL respond well off of 1,200 mgs..

becky07 · 04-17-2012, 08:35 PM

I tried 1500 mgs today around 10..by 3 I was feeling dizzy and sleepy but then went to class and felt just as anxious as I always do

untalkativeguy · 04-25-2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belfort

untalkative-u have the same problem as me..phenibut will help to a small degree in making people more interesting..phenibut is not a pro-social drug though...GHB is and will definitely work for you..Ghb is the only drug i have taken that makes me actually enjoy socializing..do you live in europe or usa??

becky-i would take more, try out 1,500 mgs and see what happens..some people need insane amounts, like 5-6 grams to feel something..i STILL respond well off of 1,200 mgs..

I see, I've got nothing to expect from Phenibut then. I'll keep using GHB even if it doesn't make wonders.
as for my location I live in Europe.

The Professor · 04-25-2012, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by becky07

Im so bummed about this! I bought the primaforce powder, took the recommended 300mg...nothing. Next day tried 1 gram...nothing

Am i just not taking enough??

I got the primaforce powder too. do you notice any side effects or pain in our ribcage/lower back area?

belfort · 04-26-2012, 08:04 AM

^^ive never noticed any abdominal pain and ive taken alot of phenibut..

i do notice that im feeling more foggy headed lately..not sure if its the phenibut or what..

MiMiK · 04-28-2012, 04:18 PM

**** it! decide to try some. i ordered 30grams in powder form. planning on using 500mg a day. ill report back with my results!

ssalamone · 05-03-2012, 10:09 AM

Can someone provide a link for how to dose this stuff???

Mr K · 05-03-2012, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssalamone

Can someone provide a link for how to dose this stuff???

You take a large-ish pinch of powder in your fingers lol

Na that's what I do it's better to measure it properly though

02-01-2012, 08:48 PM	#421 (permalink)
jestech Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	This drug gave me panic disorder. I was a long time user of Phenibut, and probably used it daily for over 2 years. I would mainly use it for big meetings, because it was great at relaxing me and making me more social. However, I ended up staying on a smaller dose all the time because the withdrawal is rough. Let me preface that I was 35 years old and never had a panic attack in my life or any type of anxiety. I was involved in an accident while vacationing in a foreign country, and woke up in the hospital 3 days later. The first thing that happened was a panic attack.....because of Phenibut withdrawl. I literally had to get into my luggage and sneak it into my room and take it, because the hospital never heard of it. Now I have panic attacks in any place where I feel trapped and terrible anticipatory anxiety. I honestly wouldn't be on this forum if I had never started taking Phenibut. Do yourselves a favor and stay away from this garbage, and if you're going to use it, do not use it often. Rate this treatment: Click the "Rate Thread" link to the upper right of this post (login required). Review this treatment: Click the "Post Reply" button to the upper left of this post (login required).

04-28-2012, 04:18 PM	#438 (permalink)
MiMiK Status: đƐŢƛĊĦƩƉ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Gender: Male Age: 24 Posts: 756	**** it! decide to try some. i ordered 30grams in powder form. planning on using 500mg a day. ill report back with my results! __________________ I feel the universe functioning perfectly, but I'm still perfectly locked inside my self... instead of oneness I feel isolation. http://www.di.fm/vocaltrance

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02-02-2012, 02:37 AM	#422 (permalink)
nbtac41 Status: Permanently Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: manila Gender: Male Posts: 342	i tried the first 300mg of powdered phenibut, and monitor its performance.. the taste is somewhat like a 'sour' fruit and i have difficulty swallowing it. it worked to me as a sleeping agent,but it increases my anxiety..and also i suffered bouts of sleepiness even after 2 days.. i thought it makes you relax,but instead anxiety..so i discontinue using it. (but it may supplement alprazolam when it is not available) phenibut is unknown here in the philippines.

02-02-2012, 11:51 AM	#423 (permalink)
sqwaaaz Status: SAS Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: EU Gender: Male Age: 36 Posts: 52	I've used this for a while but no more than 1500mg a day and I also waited a few hours before taking another dose (500mg increments). I never noticed much effect. Today I had a meeting with my supervisors and I anticipated it would be a stressful event and so I took 2g in the morning at 8:00. Around 13:00 the stuff started to kick in pretty hard. Instead of mellowing out I was getting hyper, sort of like a large dose of ritalin or 50 coffees. Trying to handle more than 1 task was harder than usual. While it does give a twist to the experience I am not sure if this stuff is much help for SA.

02-02-2012, 08:30 PM	#424 (permalink)
belfort Status: SAS Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 609	jestech-why were you using such a potent and addictive anti-anxiety supplement/drug if you didnt suffer from anxiety?how did you get off of it or are you still using it??

02-21-2012, 07:02 PM	#425 (permalink)
Zerix Status: Live.Love.Fly Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cali Gender: Male Age: 23 Posts: 916	I use Phenibut about once or twice a week, about 2-3 grams. Tolerance does build really fast, faster than anything else! But it's great, in moderation. Really helps a tough day and definitely has a noticeable buzz.. Only thing I'd say is careful to those taking this too often, it does have withdrawals too.

03-10-2012, 02:04 PM	#426 (permalink)
Ray Deo Status: SAS Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2	Hi, I joined this forum so I could share experiences with Phenibut. I don't have social anxiety but I do have anxiety and fear about other things. I've been into a natural/holistic lifestyle for 30 years and try to avoid all prescribed medications as well as OTC medication, preferring to treat myself with herbal remedies, EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) and other modalities. I went to a naturopathic doctor for chronic neck/head problems which also have an effect on my mood. It felt like no nerve energy was flowing to my head. Along with vitamins/herbs/supplements, the doctor threw in a bottle of PheniTropic from Biotics Research with the recommendation of one 300 mg/capsule a day. I took it as prescribed and by the 4th day started to feel good, and felt great by day 5 and 6 with my head feeling clearer than it had in a long time. I was a bit more outgoing and confident socially and also felt more horny. At that point I decided to read about phenibut and found some of the forums like this where people talk about tolerance and bad withdrawal symptoms. At that point I stopped taking it because I have a fear of becoming addicted to drugs, and I also wanted to see if there would be any negative symptoms by stopping it at that point. It's been a week now since I stopped. I don't have that great feeling I had, but I also haven't reverted back to the low state I was in with bouts of fear, anxiety and depression. I don't know if the phenibut made any changes or kick-started any neurotransmitters, or if any of the other supplements or modalities are responsible, but the pressure/stress in my head/neck has lessened also. I was concerned when I learned phenibut was a drug because I always want to take things that will repair/restore whatever is not functioning correctly, not artificially prop it up. I would rather restore neurotransmitter function if that was what was responsible for my low state of mind. I will probably try it again on a select basis, perhaps for certain situations, or even to take it once a week and see what happens. Perhaps it is supplying something that's missing on a permanent basis rather than a temporary fix. I've always been afraid of any kind of "recreational" or mind-altering substances, i.e. never even smoked marijuana. Once in my life I took a prescribed Vicodin for severe nerve pain in the leg from a bulging disc, and had an experience I would describe as a bad LSD trip. As you can see, I was getting good results from a relatively low dosage of phenibut, compared to some of the amounts I see others are taking. I will check in again when I have further observations to report...

03-10-2012, 09:18 PM	#427 (permalink)
Andreth Status: SAS Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maryland Gender: Male Age: 28 Posts: 101	Whoa, phenibut is crazy. I've tried a bunch of other supplements for SA, the only other one that I liked was L-tryptophan, though that was good for the depression from SA, it didn't do anything about the anxiety. All it did was make the anxiety more tolerable because it was less depressing. But...phenibut. That made me feel slightly drunk without the mental impairment/coordination impairment with alcohol. That and it lasts a lot longer than alcohol too. Totally wiped out anxiety. It's just too bad what I hear about not using it too often or the tolerance/withdrawal possibility, would be amazing if you could take this stuff daily. Like a permadrunk feeling without the downsides. Not sure how often is ok to use though...from reading it looks like even 5 days on 2 days off can lead to withdrawal. Might just be a once in awhile thing to use...sucks.

03-13-2012, 04:36 PM	#428 (permalink)
smoke6861 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7	Ok so I have been taking phenibut now for almost a year and a half, it has helped me so much, I have been taking about 1 to 2 grams everyday, but I think now its not as good as it use to be but I have never taken any more than a 2 day break from it because Im not going to lie im hooked, but I have to ask if this works so good for some people wouldnt GABA too? because its almost the same thing, and also wouldnt gabapentin work well for us too? my main thing is it just feels like when Im off of phenibut my nerves just go crazy and Im thinking it could be a nerve thing which I think gabapentin is good for am I wrong? just want something to fill in for phenibut for about a month to clean out

03-18-2012, 01:52 PM	#429 (permalink)
Ray Deo Status: SAS Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2	Here's an update from my report two posts up. As mentioned, the first week I took phenibut it took 5 days before I felt any effect, and felt very good on the 6th and 7th day. I then stopped taking it for a week. I lost the good feeling but didn't fall all the way back down into the deep lows I had previously. I just took it again for another week. This time I didn't feel any effect until the 6th day, and today, the 7th day, I feel good but not as great as I did the last two days of that first week. Again, the effects I feel today are more confidence and socially outgoing, as well as a good overall feeling. This has been on one 300mg capsule per day.

04-11-2012, 04:14 PM	#430 (permalink)
Phil P Status: SAS Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 14	Has anyone successfully used Glutamine or L Glutamine which is supposed to help raise gaba levels, along with phenibut? I'm wanting to try it as I'm thinking it could help reduce the amount of Phenibut needed

04-15-2012, 02:43 AM	#431 (permalink)
untalkativeguy Status: SAS Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6	I'm a new user to this forum and I read all the thread and I still wonder if Phenibut is for me... Phenibut does decrease anxiety as most users report but only a few say it makes you more talkative. I personally don't have anxiety but I'm far from being talkative and that ruins my social life. Are there people on Phenibut with the same problem as me, did it make you talkative and more interested to people? I only manage to get such effects with alcohol, but alcohol to me is disgusting, has bad side effects and is impossible to be used permanently. I'm currently trying GHB which makes you more happy and relax but doesn't really increase your talkativeness or only a bit. Besides effects are very short... The only drug that does boost my talkativeness is caffeine, I accidently overdosed caffeine and I really went talkative but side effects were unbearable and the dose nearly lethal. Anyone can confirm if Phenibut does makes you more talkative, interested and so on...? Also is there a dopamine rebound effect during withdrawal?

04-16-2012, 06:21 PM	#432 (permalink)
becky07 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 140	Im so bummed about this! I bought the primaforce powder, took the recommended 300mg...nothing. Next day tried 1 gram...nothing Am i just not taking enough??

04-17-2012, 10:21 AM	#433 (permalink)
belfort Status: SAS Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 609	untalkative-u have the same problem as me..phenibut will help to a small degree in making people more interesting..phenibut is not a pro-social drug though...GHB is and will definitely work for you..Ghb is the only drug i have taken that makes me actually enjoy socializing..do you live in europe or usa?? becky-i would take more, try out 1,500 mgs and see what happens..some people need insane amounts, like 5-6 grams to feel something..i STILL respond well off of 1,200 mgs..

04-17-2012, 08:35 PM	#434 (permalink)
becky07 Status: SAS Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 140	I tried 1500 mgs today around 10..by 3 I was feeling dizzy and sleepy but then went to class and felt just as anxious as I always do

04-26-2012, 08:04 AM	#437 (permalink)
belfort Status: SAS Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 609	^^ive never noticed any abdominal pain and ive taken alot of phenibut.. i do notice that im feeling more foggy headed lately..not sure if its the phenibut or what..

05-03-2012, 10:09 AM	#439 (permalink)
ssalamone Status: Winter Is Coming. Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Winterfell Gender: Male Posts: 76	Can someone provide a link for how to dose this stuff???